International Gun Ban Treaty
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didnt the nazis make everyone register their guns then shortly after they banned weapons and confiscated every gun that was registered?
if they ban guns in the us... we are fucked. i find it insane that so many people think otherwise.
theres cameras on the street corners.. soon to have flying drones on us soil.
all to stop 'terrorism' ... BULLSHIT. just another step closer to completely controlling the working people.
they aint worried about you getting robbed or shot in the street. theyre worried about 300 million people with 80 million weapons circulating.
if they ban guns in the us... we are fucked. i find it insane that so many people think otherwise.
theres cameras on the street corners.. soon to have flying drones on us soil.
all to stop 'terrorism' ... BULLSHIT. just another step closer to completely controlling the working people.
they aint worried about you getting robbed or shot in the street. theyre worried about 300 million people with 80 million weapons circulating.
I don't understand why people think that if they have a gun there somehow is no power asymmetry between them and the government. What are you going to do? Shoot the whole army?
That's for individual cases, of course. In the same time, there is very good reason to be worried about 300 million people wiht 80 million guns, a lot of them either not very stable or under the influence of some sort of paranoia - if societal order breaks down for some reason, this is a recipe for complete disaster.
That's for individual cases, of course. In the same time, there is very good reason to be worried about 300 million people wiht 80 million guns, a lot of them either not very stable or under the influence of some sort of paranoia - if societal order breaks down for some reason, this is a recipe for complete disaster.
A sober and rational 'analysis' as far as legislation and law are concerned is all subjective.. hence the way of politics.
Ill never understand why people equate intellect and intelligence with rationale and common sense when an intellectually sound mind can be just as crazy and sociopathic as someone you find in a mental institution. Being intelligent shouldn't be the only prerequisite to having the authority to sign and rescind law, because that doesn't take into consideration the fact that they be completely socially inept and unable to humanize a problem or an issue.
I find it especially amusing those who espouse gun control legislation but turn completely mute when the subject of implementing such legislation arises. How would we go about confiscation? Sending armed police door to door? Or are we putting our total faith into the population and trusting that everyone gave up their guns? If we can have fundamental rights taken away that were given to us per the document our country was founded on, what will come next?
Ill never understand why people equate intellect and intelligence with rationale and common sense when an intellectually sound mind can be just as crazy and sociopathic as someone you find in a mental institution. Being intelligent shouldn't be the only prerequisite to having the authority to sign and rescind law, because that doesn't take into consideration the fact that they be completely socially inept and unable to humanize a problem or an issue.
I find it especially amusing those who espouse gun control legislation but turn completely mute when the subject of implementing such legislation arises. How would we go about confiscation? Sending armed police door to door? Or are we putting our total faith into the population and trusting that everyone gave up their guns? If we can have fundamental rights taken away that were given to us per the document our country was founded on, what will come next?
As I said above, people have a very twisted perception of the importance of the constitution and of the immutability of "fundamental" rights. First, the law is to serve the people, not to be worshiped by them, therefore if it has outlived its usefulness, it can and should be changed accordingly. As time passes and sociteties develop, laws are bound to become outdated and inadequate. Second, unrestricted gun ownership is not a "fundamental right" - the vast majority of the civilized world imposes very serious restrictions on it and those societies also happen to be much more safer than the one outlier. I don't see why taking the guns away should be such a problem - the government offers to buy the guns within a certain period after announcing the ban, after that whoever owns one but has not been given permission to do so under the new much more restrictive regime is guilty in illegal possession of a gun and punished in whatever way the law specifies. Are there going to be a lot of right-wing lunatics who will barricade themselves with their guns and violently resist this? Yes, but this is precisely the reason why guns need to be taken away from them...
Rational thought process is actually very objective when common goals are established by the masses (example Health Care/ Less People Being Blapped etc). From there you look at statistics, trends, root causesm and other contributing factors and it should be pretty easy to construct a proper course of action. Individual people and business do it every day using the same formula.
The real trick with politics is getting people to vote against rationality and their own self-interest, and the self-interest of the public as a whole. Example being 100 or so EXTREMELY wealthy people pulling the strings of the tea party and getting those half with fucks to completely destroy legislation and end all programs that benefit toothless LeeRoy and Never Had a Job Nancy. That is what politics in America is about.
The real trick with politics is getting people to vote against rationality and their own self-interest, and the self-interest of the public as a whole. Example being 100 or so EXTREMELY wealthy people pulling the strings of the tea party and getting those half with fucks to completely destroy legislation and end all programs that benefit toothless LeeRoy and Never Had a Job Nancy. That is what politics in America is about.
What is "a lot"? Please back this up with a source/link. I would bet you dollars to doughnuts its MUCH less than you think it is/want it to be.
Even people that hunt buy shit from stores.
So, not liking guns means i dont like freedom? Please tell me you are smarter than this.
Well, seeing as i live in a secure building, i dont have to worry about that. But, to go along with that, what if you are walking down the street and a plane falls on your head?
Well, seeing as how cars serve an entirely DIFFERENT purpose than guns, this analogy is irrelevant to anything about guns.
Its a combination of both, and to think otherwise is asinine. Some of these "lunatics" are that much more deadly with a gun in their hand, then say, a bat. You can run from a bat...you odds of doing so from a gun a are much tougher.
Again, you can shoot someone from a long distance, you cant use a bat outside of about a 6 foot radius. Another terrible analogy.
And only on the Sicc would someone make being a "pacifist" a bad thing. Wowzers.
Thats the problem...we have LET the issue get this far. If you read what i typed, i already mentioned that we, as a country, have fucked ourselves. We cant go back now. You cant just give candy to a kid, and then take it back. Im not an idiot. That doesn't mean i have to AGREE with it.
SMH
Again...knife...gun...distance...rates. Of course you are 2X as likely to get stabbed in England...THERE ARE NO FUCKING GUNS. I mean...really? You are nearly 5X more likely to get killed in the US than in the UK. Hell, you are more likely to get killed in CANADA, than you would in England. If you compare London to NY, and yes, they are very comparable, you would find that there were over 450 homicides in 2009 (which, BTW, was the lowest EVER in NYC since stats were recorded for crime)...while less than 150 in London.
http://chartsbin.com/view/1454
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London#Homicide
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/2009-homicides-new-york-city-fewest-1963-article-1.457879
No one said guns caused crime, and your tiring use of fallacies are not helping your argument at all here. We live in a society that more or less GLORIFIES violence and gun play. "God" forbid US TV can show a nipple...but its quite OK to show people bleeding and dying at 7PM on NBC. Are you starting to get the trend here and why guns, and violence as a whole, are an issue in the US?
Now you are at least forming a rational argument. The question is, why are there so many "idiots" here? Wghat has gone wrong in the last 75 years or so, to cause this?
And of course, WE dont...but you do, right? Is that where this is headed? You have no clue as to what I or any other poster knows about...anything. So, lets just not go there. Thanks.
A readily available tool. That is part of the problem.
I dont see what this has to do with anything.
And all it takes is for something to tear that person a part emotionally, and they can snap and go on a shooting spree. C wut i did ther?
LOLWUT
Again, this attitude, combined with paranoia, is part of why we are in this mess.
They have already taken some away, yet i didn't see you bitching about them when they disappeared.
Checkmate.
Pretty much says it all.
Even people that hunt buy shit from stores.
So, not liking guns means i dont like freedom? Please tell me you are smarter than this.
Well, seeing as i live in a secure building, i dont have to worry about that. But, to go along with that, what if you are walking down the street and a plane falls on your head?
Well, seeing as how cars serve an entirely DIFFERENT purpose than guns, this analogy is irrelevant to anything about guns.
Its a combination of both, and to think otherwise is asinine. Some of these "lunatics" are that much more deadly with a gun in their hand, then say, a bat. You can run from a bat...you odds of doing so from a gun a are much tougher.
Again, you can shoot someone from a long distance, you cant use a bat outside of about a 6 foot radius. Another terrible analogy.
And only on the Sicc would someone make being a "pacifist" a bad thing. Wowzers.
Thats the problem...we have LET the issue get this far. If you read what i typed, i already mentioned that we, as a country, have fucked ourselves. We cant go back now. You cant just give candy to a kid, and then take it back. Im not an idiot. That doesn't mean i have to AGREE with it.
SMH
Again...knife...gun...distance...rates. Of course you are 2X as likely to get stabbed in England...THERE ARE NO FUCKING GUNS. I mean...really? You are nearly 5X more likely to get killed in the US than in the UK. Hell, you are more likely to get killed in CANADA, than you would in England. If you compare London to NY, and yes, they are very comparable, you would find that there were over 450 homicides in 2009 (which, BTW, was the lowest EVER in NYC since stats were recorded for crime)...while less than 150 in London.
http://chartsbin.com/view/1454
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London#Homicide
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/2009-homicides-new-york-city-fewest-1963-article-1.457879
No one said guns caused crime, and your tiring use of fallacies are not helping your argument at all here. We live in a society that more or less GLORIFIES violence and gun play. "God" forbid US TV can show a nipple...but its quite OK to show people bleeding and dying at 7PM on NBC. Are you starting to get the trend here and why guns, and violence as a whole, are an issue in the US?
Now you are at least forming a rational argument. The question is, why are there so many "idiots" here? Wghat has gone wrong in the last 75 years or so, to cause this?
And of course, WE dont...but you do, right? Is that where this is headed? You have no clue as to what I or any other poster knows about...anything. So, lets just not go there. Thanks.
A readily available tool. That is part of the problem.
I dont see what this has to do with anything.
And all it takes is for something to tear that person a part emotionally, and they can snap and go on a shooting spree. C wut i did ther?
LOLWUT
Again, this attitude, combined with paranoia, is part of why we are in this mess.
They have already taken some away, yet i didn't see you bitching about them when they disappeared.
Checkmate.
Pretty much says it all.
Really? Freud?
And from Cooper himself...
http://www.usrepeals.org/ca/mtbpers/hoplophobia.html
Yeah, Freud all the way.
And from Cooper himself...
http://www.usrepeals.org/ca/mtbpers/hoplophobia.html
Yeah, Freud all the way.
screwdrivers are readily available, your point?
i say we ban all hardware tools, lowes, home depot, were comin for you!
rat poison is easily purchasable at any wal mart, you can slip it into someones drink and they are gone, should we ban it?
i suppose you can use this clothes iron to make your clothes look clean and crisp or..maybe just maybe you can beat someone to death with it, it needs to be banned....july 10th, international ban hammers, screwdrivers, lowes, rat poison, and clothes irons day...the UN backs me 1000%
if you think this country is any safer without guns, you belong in the casket with whitney, cuz you smoked yourself stupid
p.s. only guns kill people...they dont kill wild game for food, or protect families from intruders, or help reassure a would be victim that within his legal right, a gun is his/her best form of protection
with your additude we should ban anything that can kill another human, since people are just stupid enough to use something in a way that violates federal law...rather they how it is labelled on the bottle for use
please, miss me with that bullshit, go pick someone else apart, i dont care really, i dont
i say we ban all hardware tools, lowes, home depot, were comin for you!
rat poison is easily purchasable at any wal mart, you can slip it into someones drink and they are gone, should we ban it?
i suppose you can use this clothes iron to make your clothes look clean and crisp or..maybe just maybe you can beat someone to death with it, it needs to be banned....july 10th, international ban hammers, screwdrivers, lowes, rat poison, and clothes irons day...the UN backs me 1000%
if you think this country is any safer without guns, you belong in the casket with whitney, cuz you smoked yourself stupid
p.s. only guns kill people...they dont kill wild game for food, or protect families from intruders, or help reassure a would be victim that within his legal right, a gun is his/her best form of protection
with your additude we should ban anything that can kill another human, since people are just stupid enough to use something in a way that violates federal law...rather they how it is labelled on the bottle for use
please, miss me with that bullshit, go pick someone else apart, i dont care really, i dont
LOL @ all the comparisons to other "weapons"
Guns empower people to commit violence, screw drivers don't. Yes some1 can kill someone with a screw driver, swiss army knife or a goldfish bowl but it is much more difficult. They will tell you that stabbing somebody is a much/ much more difficult task (emotionally and physically) than shooting em while driving by
Guns empower people to commit violence, screw drivers don't. Yes some1 can kill someone with a screw driver, swiss army knife or a goldfish bowl but it is much more difficult. They will tell you that stabbing somebody is a much/ much more difficult task (emotionally and physically) than shooting em while driving by
Huh?
Tools serve an actual purpose to improve our lives...guns dont. More crappy analogies. Is this all you folks have???
How many people die per year from rat poison...compared to guns? More shitty analogies. Keep em comin.
MMMm...fallacies...its whats used on the Siccness to prove points!
Well, pretty much every western European country is safer without guns...but, well let you tell it.
Not if no one else HAD guns. Are people just blatantly MISSING this point on purpose? You act like they will take YOUR guns away, but let EVERYONE else keep theres. Seriously folks? Where the fuck is the critical thinking on this website? Is everyone a fuckin moron?
Please show me where i indicate this, please. Thanks.
this is the only thing worth a damn in your whole rant. Kudos for showing signs of intelligence.
You do care, otherwise you wouldn't have said shit.
lol...wow.
Tools serve an actual purpose to improve our lives...guns dont. More crappy analogies. Is this all you folks have???
How many people die per year from rat poison...compared to guns? More shitty analogies. Keep em comin.
MMMm...fallacies...its whats used on the Siccness to prove points!
Well, pretty much every western European country is safer without guns...but, well let you tell it.
Not if no one else HAD guns. Are people just blatantly MISSING this point on purpose? You act like they will take YOUR guns away, but let EVERYONE else keep theres. Seriously folks? Where the fuck is the critical thinking on this website? Is everyone a fuckin moron?
Please show me where i indicate this, please. Thanks.
this is the only thing worth a damn in your whole rant. Kudos for showing signs of intelligence.
You do care, otherwise you wouldn't have said shit.
lol...wow.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. All taking away the 2nd amendment does is takes away the right for law abiding citizens to defend themselves. They will never get all the guns off the street or stop them from existing. Criminals will be armed so why can't ordinary citizens?
The problem with the US is we live in a protectionist society. The overwhelming majority of people who live here believe that if shit hits the fan our government will save us! Thats a joke and has been proven a joke with natural disasters like "Katrina."
I personally believe that any man who doesn't agree with the second amendment has no bussiness holding office in the white house! Our country was built on guns and without firearms we would still be Englands bitch and we would not be the super power we are today.
Passing a bill like this would be spitting in the face of not only our forefathers but all US citizens. We need to fight for rights like this to keep our govenment a domocracy and not let it turn our nation to communist rule.
The problem with the US is we live in a protectionist society. The overwhelming majority of people who live here believe that if shit hits the fan our government will save us! Thats a joke and has been proven a joke with natural disasters like "Katrina."
I personally believe that any man who doesn't agree with the second amendment has no bussiness holding office in the white house! Our country was built on guns and without firearms we would still be Englands bitch and we would not be the super power we are today.
Passing a bill like this would be spitting in the face of not only our forefathers but all US citizens. We need to fight for rights like this to keep our govenment a domocracy and not let it turn our nation to communist rule.
