"In God We Trust" and "under god"

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Oct 31, 2002
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I did some research and found that at one time or another most of the founding fathers questioned God, but never strayed to far from him. Some where not christians but still believed in a "higher being", so our great country was founded on their religous beliefs.

President George Washington, September 17th, 1796
"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible


Patrick Henry
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religion but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We shall not fight alone. God presides over the destinies of nations."


Benjamin Franklin Address at the Constitutional Convention Thursday June 28, 1787
"I have lived, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?


President John Adams
"The highest story of the American Revolution is this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."

President Thomas Jefferson
"The reason that Christianity is the best friend of Government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart."

President John Quincy Adams
"It is no slight testimonial, both to the merit and worth of Christianity, that in all ages since its promulgation the great mass of those who have risen to eminence by their profound wisdom and integrity have recognized and reverenced Jesus of Nazareth as the Son of the living God."

John Jay, 1777 The first Chief Justice of the United states
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and the interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

James Madison
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments."

Thomas Jefferson also wrote in his "Notes on the State of Virginia," 1781, "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever."

George Mason, "Father" of the Bill of Rights; "My soul I resign into the hands of my Almighty Creator, whose tender mercies are all over His works, who hateth nothing that He hath made, and to the justice and wisdom of whose dispensations I willingly and cheerfully submit, humbly hoping from His unbounded mercy and benevolence, through the merits of my blessed Savior, a remission of my sins."

George Washington in his address to the Constitutional Convention, 1787. "Without a humble imitation of the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, we can never hope to be a happy nation."

George Washington, October 3, 1789, proclaiming a National Day of Prayer and Thanksgiving, "It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the Providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and to humbly implore His protection and favor."

Samuel Adams at the signing of the Declaration of Independence: "We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His Kingdom come."


William Penn said, "The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is founded."

John Adams, "Statesmen...may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand...The only foundation of a free Constitution, is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People, in a Greater Measure, than we have it now, They may change their Rulers, and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting Liberty… We have no Government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion...Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
 
May 13, 2002
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A lot of those quotes are taken out of context.

Some of the founding fathers were Masons and the others were Deists.

Another thing you must keep in mind is that they all agreed that god and religion should have absolutely nothing to do with the state.

It is completely false to say america was founded on their religious beliefs.

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." -Thomas Jefferson

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." -Benjamin Franklin

“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” -Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli (June 7, 1797). Article 11

“Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, ‘this would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.’” - John Adams

“I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved — the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!” - John Adams

“The Doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.” - John Adams

“...Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.” - John Adams

“Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, more than on our opinions in physics and geometry. . . .” - Thomas Jefferson

“The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.” - Thomas Jefferson

“I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of....Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and of my own part, I disbelieve them all.” - Thomas Paine

All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.” - Thomas Paine

“The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion.”- Thomas Paine

“What is it the Bible teaches us? — rapine, cruelty, and murder.”- Thomas Paine

“The Bible was established altogether by the sword, and that in the worst use of it — not to terrify but to extirpate.”- Thomas Paine

“It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible.”- Thomas Paine

“Denominated a Deist, the reality of which I have never disputed, being conscious that I am no Christian.” - Ethan Allen
 
Jul 24, 2002
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Jrock,

go deeper in your research.
You will find that a lot of politicians are involved with the occult.
Whether you believe in God or not, you should be interested at the very least as to why our "leaders" are so into this bullshit....
 
Oct 31, 2002
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Correction to the post above:

The Skull and Bones order does exist, but wether or not its an occult or not is unknown.

I will do further research on the subject.
 
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Just a quick question.
Wut is so wrong with being in Skull and Bones? Is it just becuase they keep everything they do a secret? Is there any eveidence of what they do and talk about, or is it just a frat for political dorks?
 

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i didn't read any of the thread except the first posts....but i think its ridiculous to have anything related to god on anything related to our government. not everyone believes in god, so to say "in god we trust" that WE is a select group of individuals. It could just be another way of trying to get everyone to believe in god since our country is run by people who believe in god....does anyone know if there has ever been or is a gov't official who doesn't believe in god?
 
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Actually most Americans believe in God, N that's the Christian God homie.
2nd this country was founded truthfully as a Christian nation.
Do U really believe they would of been so vauge to simply call 4 the seperation of church N state
if they new what would later conspire in the US. Hell NO! They just ment the state couldn't tell people what Christian denomonation was the best/right one.
So if U don't like it, use credit, unless to U broke azz sucka!
 
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ThatBoyJd said:
Actually most Americans believe in God, N that's the Christian God homie.
2nd this country was founded truthfully as a Christian nation.
Do U really believe they would of been so vauge to simply call 4 the seperation of church N state
if they new what would later conspire in the US. Hell NO! They just ment the state couldn't tell people what Christian denomonation was the best/right one.
So if U don't like it, use credit, unless to U broke azz sucka!
Try reading some of the thread :dead:
 

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ThatBoyJd said:
Actually most Americans believe in God, N that's the Christian God homie.
2nd this country was founded truthfully as a Christian nation.
Do U really believe they would of been so vauge to simply call 4 the seperation of church N state
if they new what would later conspire in the US. Hell NO! They just ment the state couldn't tell people what Christian denomonation was the best/right one.
So if U don't like it, use credit, unless to U broke azz sucka!

yeah, most american's are also ignorant as fuck. and no, i'm not saying believing in god is ignorant, i'm only sayin that there are a shit load of stupid mother fuckers in our country. the constitution doesn't say shit about being christian as far as i know. it says religious freedom, which could mean NOT believing in god. you are FREE to believe WHATEVER you want. I'm not saying that I don't use money, that would just be stupid, but being aware of what's going on and how shit is taking place is important.....cause if the people don't question anything, they don't have any say....


@2-0-sixx......i meant US gov't officials....but that's interesting, i didn't know that about the ussr...they're smarter than i thought....lol....
 
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Sixxness said:
@2-0-sixx......i meant US gov't officials....but that's interesting, i didn't know that about the ussr...they're smarter than i thought....lol....
There aren't too many in the gov't as far as I know....I do remember an Atheist man running for governor in Cali not too long ago.

I imagine that there probably are some "closet atheists" since atheism is not too popular.



That hat is sick btw