If a tree falls in the woods . . .

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Some Random Asshole
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This question reminds me of, "Does God exist?" lol...The tree makes a sound, if I throw a rock over a cliff that is 5000 feet tall, when it hits the bottom it will make a noise, just cause I'm too far away for the sound to travel to me doesn't mean it didn't happen. Things like, does a falling tree make noise when it hits the ground, will this rock make noise at the bottom of this cliff when it hits another rock even tho it's too far away too hear, these are common sense. We know how this world works, when things fall and hit other things it creates vibration, sound, noise, whatever you feel like calling it. To say otherwise seems rather ignorant to me.
 
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If you talk to a deaf person he doesn't hear you but you still make sound while talking

or if a deaf person claps in his hands and there is noone else around to hear it, the sounds still travels through the air but noone is around to hear it but the deaf person himself, but he can't hear it either.. the sound is still created because he clapped his hands
 
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iaoish said:
If you talk to a deaf person he doesn't hear you but you still make sound while talking
you are there to make the sound and you are there to hear it though right?

how is that the same as a tree falling in the woods with no one around?
 

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people are looking way too far into it...i actually think that this cant be answered based on science, its really an opinion question. are the things we believed perceived, or do they actually happen? We believe it will make a sound, because if we were there, it would. Why does it need to make sound? to let us know something is happening. if u think about it, because it would normally make a sound, it should still make that same sound. however, its like ...put in another way (i actually think that this is from the movie the Santa Clause or some shit)...if u've never seen a million dollars, how do u know it exists? U've seen enough money in ur lifetime to have seen say, 10,000 dollars, and know there are millionaires, but u've never actually seen a million dollars. what about a tree falling? u've probably seen them on tv, know that sound, have seen a FALLEN TREE in the woods, so u know it MUST have made a noise.


its not just a tree, like people have been giving examples, its anything...a rock falling off a cliff will still make a noise.
 
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no im pretty sure it is a science thing and not an opinion....if somthing falls with mass this thing called gravity takes over....when gravity is done taking its course the object makes impact which then creates sound.

it - does - not - matter if you are around to see/hear it. it does happen.
 

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^^^ i know that, but then why do they ask it? why is it even up for discussion? im agreeing with u, in reality, yes, of course it has to do with science, it's real it HAS to make noise, but for the point of discussion, im guessing why it's even a "hypothetical question" is because people will formulate their ideas based on their own opinion.
 
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ColdBlooded said:
you are there to make the sound and you are there to hear it though right?

how is that the same as a tree falling in the woods with no one around?

do you read only half of what I typ?
 
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should that be taken as a no?

I asked a number of other questions other than the one posed in the initial post, some were even directed towards your replies specifically.

maybe you should ask yoruself the same question?
 
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i wanna ask this question....what is the purpose of this question... when the answer is so simple.

i does create some thought and in no way am i putting down your idea for this thread nor do i have anything against you for starting it, but if i start a thread entitled "if 1 + 1 = 2, Does 3 + 3 = 6?

the answer is yes. end of discussion.
 

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ColdBlooded said:
Is human observation not only necessary for the physical world to have meaning, but actually create the physical reality to be observed?
Humans are not that important. If any form of life came into contact with it (in that theory) it would change because a living organism had experienced it. But if there was just bacteria all over and a rock moved from wind it would still make some noise but bacteria just can't hear it. Humans are just able to perceive things on other levels that all other animals aren't able to, but that doesnt' mean that in order for reality to exist humans have to be around, cause reality exists whether we're here or not. The universe doesn't stop for humans, dogs, cats, gnats, dirt, or anything (that we know of)...Shit will happen whether or not there's someone or something to see it.
 

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SOAK::GAME said:
my response is "because sound doesn't need to acknowledge your presence in order to perform its intended task, you dumb fuck"
I agree. Right now none of us are in the jungles of asia but you can be sure a Tiger is on the prowl ready to destroy something. Because we are not being hunted or watching teh tiger does that mean he isnt looking for food?

Right now some broad is being raped, some kid is plotting to blow up a school, some tree is falling, someone is choking on a glass of water (idiot) and some person is on thier way to being a lotto winner. None of us are present yet the shit is still happening....

I gotta get some sleep
 

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Mickey Fallon
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^^^^exactly, sound isnt aware of if ur there or not.


edit: wow, i just thought of something...sound is basically just vibrations in the air that then are picked up by ur ear and vibrate ur ear. so, humans and animals have to pick up sound, they have to be there for it to get to their ears. at first i thought, well, that still means sound was made, but that ur just not there to hear it. BUT, that kinda proves my new point....

dont you have to be there for it to hit ur ear, or else its never picked up? is it only created because we're able to hear it? logically, it should still make a sound, but what if sound was only perceieved by things with ears....does the nature of sound still exist?

now im just kinda rambling
 
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Logically you know that when something falls, there is a sound created if you aren't deaf. The sound only occurs if there is someone or something there to be a medium to the vibrations or soundwaves.