I was just thinking about this(about Alien existence)

[Toro]

I was watching a program on TV last night titled "Is It Real?" or something like that and it was basically proving theories about Aliens and if they created Pyramids or those lines in Nazca Lines, or if they gave light to ancient civilizations, are wrong. And this guy was saying like all of those theories are basically bullshit(he didn't say that but that's basically what he was saying) and he would give examples like if Aliens couldn't have helped make the Nazca lines because dust would be flying everywhere because of the ships or the Pyramids were not used to store gold for Aliens because there is no gold anywhere around the area. I was thinkin what if, if they're were aliens, they did something that would make it seem this way. Like it's hard to explain what I'm thinking but let me put it like this: what if the there is no gold in that area to be found because they took every piece? What if they did help create the lines in Peru but they're flying craft was so advanced that it doesn't kick up dust? What if they did give light to the Mayans or Egyptians and the whole idea that no they didn't give them light's because evidence shows they're is no burn marks on the insides of pyramids is wrong, what if they actually had light bulbs or some shit lol. I mean come one they do have hieroglyphics that show men in space crafts pointed up and they even have pictures of men with a snake in a bulb like object which to them snake signified light. And then after all this thinkin I think, what if they're the same as us? You look up into the sky and on the other side of the galaxy someone is just looking up at you, maybe a different species but they're still looking for ways off of they're planet. Damn this shit gets me thinkin. Also, does anyone know any good books that talk about subjects like this?

 

[ThaG]

I was watching a program on TV last night titled "Is It Real?" or something like that and it was basically proving theories about Aliens and if they created Pyramids or those lines in Nazca Lines, or if they gave light to ancient civilizations, are wrong. And this guy was saying like all of those theories are basically bullshit(he didn't say that but that's basically what he was saying) and he would give examples like if Aliens couldn't have helped make the Nazca lines because dust would be flying everywhere because of the ships or the Pyramids were not used to store gold for Aliens because there is no gold anywhere around the area. I was thinkin what if, if they're were aliens, they did something that would make it seem this way. Like it's hard to explain what I'm thinking but let me put it like this: what if the there is no gold in that area to be found because they took every piece? What if they did help create the lines in Peru but they're flying craft was so advanced that it doesn't kick up dust? What if they did give light to the Mayans or Egyptians and the whole idea that no they didn't give them light's because evidence shows they're is no burn marks on the insides of pyramids is wrong, what if they actually had light bulbs or some shit lol. I mean come one they do have hieroglyphics that show men in space crafts pointed up and they even have pictures of men with a snake in a bulb like object which to them snake signified light. And then after all this thinkin I think, what if they're the same as us? You look up into the sky and on the other side of the galaxy someone is just looking up at you, maybe a different species but they're still looking for ways off of they're planet. Damn this shit gets me thinkin. Also, does anyone know any good books that talk about subjects like this?

1. There is no way they can be just like us because the chance of this happening (i.e same animals evolving on two distant planets) is infinitesimally small. Evolution is a very random process and if you replay the tape even on the same planet you'll probably get something drastically different, what about another planet

2. Always prefer the simplest possible explanations. All explanations involving aliens are far from being the simplest possible

3. A lot of what you say sounds like "Hey, we have this cool hypothesis which unfortunately is not backed up by evidence, let's try to make some ad hoc arguments so we can save it"

4. The chance of intelligent life existing somewhere in the universe is very high, whether they visit us and whether this is even possible is open to debate

 

[Toro]

I didn't mean they'd be humans, I mean what if they're in the same situation as us, they do go into space but not a lot, they are currently trying to think of ways of inhabiting different planets, they're children dream of going to they're moon, they're thinking what if others are a live in out there in space, like that. And I'm not just believeing this one thing, these are just theories I'm open to any theories.

 

[Nebulizah]

it's a lot of what ifs, but thats just the thing, you always have to think of the possibilities... if nobody ever thought of what could be, we wouldnt have 90% of the technology we have today or know anything at all about the extent of the solar system itself.

It's just a matter of proving that what could be actually is.

I think there's tons of credible evidence that some sort of intelligent life is out there. Whether or not they aided ancient Egypt or helped with the Nazca lines... we really dont know. But it remains a complete and utter mystery to scientists everywhere still today how the Nazca lines were formed or the pyramids were built...

 

[ThaG]

is the moon there when nobody is looking?

?????

 

[ParkBoyz]

it's a lot of what ifs, but thats just the thing, you always have to think of the possibilities... if nobody ever thought of what could be, we wouldnt have 90% of the technology we have today or know anything at all about the extent of the solar system itself.

It's just a matter of proving that what could be actually is.

I think there's tons of credible evidence that some sort of intelligent life is out there. Whether or not they aided ancient Egypt or helped with the Nazca lines... we really dont know. But it remains a complete and utter mystery to scientists everywhere still today how the Nazca lines were formed or the pyramids were built...

As far as ancient Egypt, we do know. It is important to consider that there is a precession of indigenous cultural traits since the Neolithic, leading into dynastic times. Also, biological continuity is observed among predynastic and dynastic inhabitants. The Pyramids were most likely built during the time of Khufu, as his inscriptions suggest and there are many more down-to-earth and plausible theories(clickable link) as to how the pyramids were ultimately built, aside from alien visitation. There are natural pyramid formations in Egypt's western desert, which the Egyptians most likely drew inspiration from. Humans are smart enough to draw lines in sand and build pyramids with out alien intervention being seen as the sole explanation, I would think. The Nazca lines in Peru however, are more open to interpretation.

 

[SecondzAway]

somethig to chew on.....Sir Issac Newton said the "Logistical proabability of life generating from nothing into something would be the equivalent of rolling the number 5 on a pair of dice 6 million consecutive times"

not really sure how it applies to this thread...but I like the statement...lol

 

[ParkBoyz]

^Newton was of course, a genius..

 

[Nebulizah]

The Pyramids were most likely built during the time of Khufu, as his inscriptions suggest and there are many more down-to-earth and plausible theories(clickable link) as to how the pyramids were ultimately built, aside from alien visitation.

dont get me wrong, I'm not saying aliens helped build the pyramids, but it is a theory. And like you said, that's all we have at this point are many theories as to how they could've been built.

 

[ParkBoyz]

^It's a fringe theory with absolutely no basis in archaeological, written or historical fact. The premise is based mainly on underestimating man's capability and nothing else. Which is why I feel it is the least deserving of theories and deserves to be discarded fully unless somebody can muster up an inkling of evidence to rationalize such a position.

 

[ThaG]

^Newton was of course, a genius..

who knew absolutely nothing about biological life:ermm:

plagiarism aside

 

[ThaG]

somethig to chew on.....Sir Issac Newton said the "Logistical proabability of life generating from nothing into something would be the equivalent of rolling the number 5 on a pair of dice 6 million consecutive times"

not really sure how it applies to this thread...but I like the statement...lol

see above

what Newton said is irrelevant because he hardly knew what a cell is:ermm:

 

[ParkBoyz]

who knew absolutely nothing about biological life

Relative to now, neither did Darwin.

see above

what Newton said is irrelevant because he hardly knew what a cell is

Neither did Darwin!

 

[Toro]

ParkBoyz, do you have an explanation for the hieroglyphics of what looks like men in rocket ships and men holding snakes in bulb inside pyramids? I thought you may know, but it might be the Mayans so if you've never heard of it nevemind lol.

 

[Nebulizah]

^It's a fringe theory with absolutely no basis in archaeological, written or historical fact.

I wouldnt say absolutely no basis.. That's being really harsh. You make it sound like a pipe dream, but as ElToro said theres plenty of inscriptions of disc-shaped objects and alien-looking figures carved throughout history, and taking into account your dont underestimate the power of man comment, maybe they had the power to communicate with these "beings" (for lack of a better term) and work with them. If you think about it, these people must have been alot more in tune with their sixth sense then we are today. Our minds are completely warped today... back then they had all the time in the world to focus on the unknown and seek guidance from a higher power, whatever that may be.

But I will concede that it is more plausible they developed a method completely free of alien help to construct the pyramids.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Relative to now, neither did Darwin.



Neither did Darwin!

I think what ThaG was getting at is that it really doesn't matter what Newton said since it wasn't his area of expertise.

Plus, just because Newton, a genius, said something doesn't make it fact (or relevant!). He also said the earth would end around 2060 I believe.

My quote from the "will the earth end 2012?" thread regarding Newton:

he [Newton] was probably one of the greatest minds to ever live, but there is a fine line between genius and insanity and Newton was definitely far out there, especially during the later parts of his life (and as I mentioned, it's highly possible he acquired lead or mercury poisoning, which could have led to his "nervous breakdowns"). He spent much more time on alchemy research than science or anything else for that matter, and dedicated countless hours to researching signs, the bible, the occult, etc.

You have to consider the time period he lived in as well - a time where astrology, mysticism and spiritualism played huge roles over the lives of nearly everyone and Newton was no exception - he was a product of his time.​

 

[ParkBoyz]

I think what ThaG was getting at is that it really doesn't matter what Newton said since it wasn't his area of expertise.

Plus, just because Newton, a genius, said something doesn't make it fact (or relevant!). He also said the earth would end around 2060 I believe.

My quote from the "will the earth end 2012?" thread regarding Newton:

he [Newton] was probably one of the greatest minds to ever live, but there is a fine line between genius and insanity and Newton was definitely far out there, especially during the later parts of his life (and as I mentioned, it's highly possible he acquired lead or mercury poisoning, which could have led to his "nervous breakdowns"). He spent much more time on alchemy research than science or anything else for that matter, and dedicated countless hours to researching signs, the bible, the occult, etc.

You have to consider the time period he lived in as well - a time where astrology, mysticism and spiritualism played huge roles over the lives of nearly everyone and Newton was no exception - he was a product of his time.​

Darwin wasn't an "expert" in cellular biology either, or chemical evolution, which was my point and even today no one can explain the self-generation of life so Newton's point was very valid and just as valid as any one Darwin may have had. About the earth ending in 2060, why is this relevant when today is 2007?

ParkBoyz, do you have an explanation for the hieroglyphics of what looks like men in rocket ships and men holding snakes in bulb inside pyramids? I thought you may know, but it might be the Mayans so if you've never heard of it nevemind lol.

You're referring to the Dendera reliefs. I believe the so-called "snake in the bulb" was actually a symbolic kind of representation of the said snake's association with the lotus flower, not bulbs, which is a modern creation and I doubt that lightning strikes twice. We're merely seeing patterns we are familiar with.

More info: http://www.catchpenny.org/dendera.html

I wouldnt say absolutely no basis.. That's being really harsh. You make it sound like a pipe dream, but as ElToro said theres plenty of inscriptions of disc-shaped objects and alien-looking figures carved throughout history, and taking into account your dont underestimate the power of man comment, maybe they had the power to communicate with these "beings" (for lack of a better term) and work with them.

Those aren't alien beings in a so-called light bulb, they are snakes and those snakes are not in "light bulbs", but emerging aloft the lotus flower as a symbol of creation. See above. People are just easily fooled and draw their own far out conclusions.

If you think about it, these people must have been alot more in tune with their sixth sense then we are today.

Maybe, but I don't see what it has to do with aliens or how their innate ability or enlightenment would indicate visitation.(?)

Our minds are completely warped today... back then they had all the time in the world to focus on the unknown and seek guidance from a higher power, whatever that may be.

That higher power was less likely aliens and more likely whomever they worshiped, in this case (of guidance) it was Ma'at. We forget sometimes that the ancient Egyptians knew how to write.

But I will concede that it is more plausible they developed a method completely free of alien help to construct the pyramids.

^Good.. The best explanation is the easiest one to come up with, that can be supported by the available data.

 

[ThaG]

I think what ThaG was getting at is that it really doesn't matter what Newton said since it wasn't his area of expertise.

It was nobody's area of expertise around the time because the microscope was just invented and they were seeing cells for the first time without having any clue about what they actually are

Biology started developing as a serious science only after the second half of the 19th century when cellular theory was established, Darwin published his works, and advances in organic chemistry allowed the isolation and identification of the main classes of organic compounds found in living organisms

In the 17th century everybody was a creationist simply because there was no other alternative so quoting what somebody from that time said about the chances of life originating "from nothing" is completely irrelevant to the question of initial abiogenesis. In fact so is what everybody says, what matters is the evidence....

 

[ThaG]

Darwin wasn't an "expert" in cellular biology either, or chemical evolution, which was my point and even today no one can explain the self-generation of life so Newton's point was very valid and just as valid as any one Darwin may have had. About the earth ending in 2060, why is this relevant when today is 2007?

Darwin was as much an expert in biology as it was possible to be at his time

That's why he was the one who made the giant step forward and that's why he is the most influential scientist and the greatest biologist of all times

He didn't know the exact mechanism of generation of variation because even the concept of the gene as such was not there yet, but he ingeniously pointed one of the mechanisms by which evolution acts which is quite a feat considering how little was known then

It is those discoveries that are made with the most limited amount of knowledge possible that are the greatest and most difficult to make

 

[ParkBoyz]

It was nobody's area of expertise around the time because the microscope was just invented and they were seeing cells for the first time without having any clue about what they actually are

So how is Darwin's opinion any more valid than Newton's? Which was the point..

In the 17th century everybody was a creationist simply because there was no other alternative so quoting what somebody from that time said about the chances of life originating "from nothing" is completely irrelevant to the question of initial abiogenesis. In fact so is what everybody said, what matters is the evidence....

There is no evidence that life spontaneously created its self, so sweep that under the rug please, Newton's statements stand. Ad hominem fallacies as it concerns a long dead scientist, where they don't apply are rather pathetic.