I may take heat for this question but.......(MMA related)
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This isn't boxing bro. Dana has ZERO say in who judges/refs the fights. Look how much shit Dana talks about Mazagotti and he's still in there refing every event. Who gives a shit about ifs, ands or buts. It was a title bout. They give the fighters every last chance to fight back. You obviously dont know what its like to be in the gym everyday, busting your ass to make a paycheck, fight and have it all taken away by an early/stupid stoppage. You want every last chance to comeback. Not one single fighter wants to have all the hard work they put in months prior to the fight to be wasted all because a ref stopped a fight too early. The fighters and refs mutually agree that they want to give a fighter as much of a chance to defend themselves and continue the fight until their health and life is in jeopardy.
you got me there, i have never put it all on the line in a octagon for money. With that said just because a fighter thinks he could keep going doesn't make it okay to let the fight go. Same reason I have a problem with boxing officials allowing Holyfield to enter a ring. Yeah he probably busts his ass at the gym and its the only way he knows how to make a living, but you gotta draw the line. Just my opinion everyone can do with their lifes/health as they wish. Like i said earlier to, its good for the fans and the UFC, not so much for the fighter who will end up with health issues down the road.
That was my point. It seems like something he should've noticed but there's human error involved. It's not like he could've turned out and known Montiel was spazzing out on the ground.
That being said I strongly disagree with..
If a referee notices that a guy lost his consciousness and lets the fight continue because the fighter woke back up with punches and lets it continue based on that reason that referee should be fired. No way a referee should NOTICE a guy go out and sit there to see if he wakes back up, that's as ridiculous of a thing that I've ever heard.
That being said I strongly disagree with..
If a referee notices that a guy lost his consciousness and lets the fight continue because the fighter woke back up with punches and lets it continue based on that reason that referee should be fired. No way a referee should NOTICE a guy go out and sit there to see if he wakes back up, that's as ridiculous of a thing that I've ever heard.
see, this shows you dont watch MMA too much. 1st off when a guy is Knocked the fuck out after one punch they do end the fight. when they drop the refs give a chance to recover. Frankie Edgar got dropped 3 times in the 1st round of his 2nd title fight against Gray Maynard and ended up knocking out Maynard in the 3rd. sometimes the refs are too slow to stop it but it's very rare.
I mean shit imagined if they stopped the shogun vs Hendo fight, that woulda sucked since we saw an awesome fight that ended with shogun on top after he been blasted and knocked down so many times.
Even Silva woulda lost his belt to Sonnen in the 1st round since people forgot Chael knockled him down with a punch.
please name the fights you've scene that did this? there's only a couple fights i can think of that this happened with and it was because the fighter was more alert than the ref and attacked before the ref could get in the middle. you act like they sit there and watch it happen and then wait to see what happens next, every time someone is even dazed you see the ref jump real close to the fighters just incase shit turns south.
the answer is this isnt boxing and you're allowed to strike on the ground. when a boxer gets knocked down they dont end it right then and there they give the guy a chance to recover. in MMA they dont have that luxury since it's a standup and ground war. I personally have been impressed by most refs and they seem to do their job to the best of their ability.
THERE'S NO STANDING 8 COUNT IN MMA.
NOT TOO MENTION...TIMES A FIGHTER HAS RECOVERED FROM WHAT LOOKED LIKE BRUTAL PUNCHES.
AND CAME BACK WITH A MIRACULOUS VICTORY.
THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF MMA. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN...
IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN UNDERSTAND. YOU EITHER HAVENT REALLY BEEN A MMA FAN OR JUST BECAME ONE OR YOU NEVER TRAINED
NOT TOO MENTION...TIMES A FIGHTER HAS RECOVERED FROM WHAT LOOKED LIKE BRUTAL PUNCHES.
AND CAME BACK WITH A MIRACULOUS VICTORY.
THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF MMA. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN...
IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN UNDERSTAND. YOU EITHER HAVENT REALLY BEEN A MMA FAN OR JUST BECAME ONE OR YOU NEVER TRAINED
i would say its just the heat of the moment type of thing where your adrenaline is pumping and as a fighter, you have to go for the kill and its happening so fast, you cant hold back. like the hendo vs bisping, bisping was clearly ko'ed but hendo went from the top and came flying down with another vicious punch. i mean shit like that isnt called for but the fight isnt stopped until the referee intervenes. these fighters are out there trying to take each others heads off. it could go the other way tho, theres alot of fights where theres too early of a stoppage but refs have to a split second judgement mostly for the safety of the fighters.
Im not going to even argue about how much MMA I have watched the last 4-5 years. I watched MMA big time before that for about 4-5 years, but got turned off because all UFC did was produce random drunk-cocaine abusing-men to try and be fighters. Couldn't even go to a bar and watch a UFC fight without 5 people wanting to fight at anytime, so yes I will admit I haven't watched a whole lot of MMA the last couple of years.
I guess the fight that sticks out in my head was this past weekend.....the McDonald fight. I thought He knocked out the mexican cat pretty clean with the upper cut, then he dropped like 2-3 bombs right on his chin. Perhaps that's not the best example of what I am talking about but forgive me because I am not about to go and find a bunch of clips to prove any point. I believe everyone in the thread knows what I am talking about and I was just trying to get your thoughts on it.
No I haven't trained MMA, but who gives a fuck? No, I have never fought in the Octagon but so hasn't 99% of the worlds population. I am strickly speaking as partial fan and observer.
I know and you all know it has happened. I just think UFC should really watch it......that's all.
Could really fuck someone up for life.
I guess the fight that sticks out in my head was this past weekend.....the McDonald fight. I thought He knocked out the mexican cat pretty clean with the upper cut, then he dropped like 2-3 bombs right on his chin. Perhaps that's not the best example of what I am talking about but forgive me because I am not about to go and find a bunch of clips to prove any point. I believe everyone in the thread knows what I am talking about and I was just trying to get your thoughts on it.
No I haven't trained MMA, but who gives a fuck? No, I have never fought in the Octagon but so hasn't 99% of the worlds population. I am strickly speaking as partial fan and observer.
I know and you all know it has happened. I just think UFC should really watch it......that's all.
Could really fuck someone up for life.
look at where the ref is at tho, they look at a a fighters eyes to see where they're at, and clearly he was blocced by the fighters bacc...no shit he was out tho, but as a "professional referee" that's what they have to look for.
that gif really does no justice tho, as you see the ref is running in to save him, he landed one little shot on the ground.
that gif really does no justice tho, as you see the ref is running in to save him, he landed one little shot on the ground.
YOU MAY NOT TRAIN...BUT IT WOULD GIVE YOU A BETTER INSIGHT AND ANSWER ALOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS,IF YOU DID.
ON A SIDENOTE...YOU NEVER HEAR THE FIGHTERS,TRAINERS,OR GYM STAFF COMPLAIN.
IF ANYTHING THEY USUALLY COMPLAIN THAT THE FIGHTS ARE USUALLY STOPPED TOO SOON.
LIKE EVERY SPORT KNOWN TO MAN, THERE ARE RISKS.
BUT EVERY PRO IS FULLY AWARE OF THESE RISK'S.
JUST LIKE EVERYTHING IN LIFE, THE DECISION IS YOURS TO MAKE.
SORTA LIKE IT'S YOUR DECISION TO WATCH SOMETHING WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!
CANT REALLY EXPECT, TO NOT GET HURT BEING A PRO FIGHTER.
Well of course they aren't complaining. That would make the weak or soft, wouldn't you think?
Look, fighters want to fight and more importantly they want to win. Even if that means pouncing on a dude when he is convulsing or blacked out. I understand that. That is why I said, it is up to UFC and other organizations to protect these dudes from themselves. Look at the NFL, it isn't until this last couple of years where someone with a concussion is actually taken out of the game and sit's out maybe even the following game. Of course the player doesn't like it, or whatever, but the NFL is protecting itself...
Look, fighters want to fight and more importantly they want to win. Even if that means pouncing on a dude when he is convulsing or blacked out. I understand that. That is why I said, it is up to UFC and other organizations to protect these dudes from themselves. Look at the NFL, it isn't until this last couple of years where someone with a concussion is actually taken out of the game and sit's out maybe even the following game. Of course the player doesn't like it, or whatever, but the NFL is protecting itself...
IT AINT ABOUT SOFTNESS OR WEAKNESS. IT'S KNOWING WHEN A FIGHT IS TRULY OVER.
WHEN A FIGHTER CAN LONGER INTELLIGENTLY DEFEND HIMSELF
WHICH CAN HAPPEN IN AN INSTANT, THEIR IS SOME GREAT REFS AND NOT SO GREAT REFS.
NOBODY WANTS ANYONE TO GET HURT. BUT IT'S PART OF THE GAME
BUT THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF MEDICAL SUSPENSIONS,PRE FIGHT PHYSICALS,MRI'S,BRAIN SCANS,SANCTIONING BOARDS,ETC
IS FOR THEIR PROTECTION.
GO WATCH UFC 1-20 OR THE VALE TUDOS,IF YOU WANNA SEE SOMETHING REALLY BRUTAL
WHEN A FIGHTER CAN LONGER INTELLIGENTLY DEFEND HIMSELF
WHICH CAN HAPPEN IN AN INSTANT, THEIR IS SOME GREAT REFS AND NOT SO GREAT REFS.
NOBODY WANTS ANYONE TO GET HURT. BUT IT'S PART OF THE GAME
BUT THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF MEDICAL SUSPENSIONS,PRE FIGHT PHYSICALS,MRI'S,BRAIN SCANS,SANCTIONING BOARDS,ETC
IS FOR THEIR PROTECTION.
GO WATCH UFC 1-20 OR THE VALE TUDOS,IF YOU WANNA SEE SOMETHING REALLY BRUTAL
I don't think you understand what recovery time is. When a guy falls to the ground from a blow he's given the chance to recover and defend himself intelligently. Some guys are out as soon as their chin gets touched (Chuck, Schaub, Wand) but some guys will get dropped and still be able to defend themself. Big Nog made his career off of this. Frankie Edgar and Eddie Alvarez get dropped 4 times a fight. Knowing this, refs will wait a couple of seconds after a guy is dropped to see if he can defend himself. Sometimes that leads to a guy getting pummeled and his head getting dribbled. More often than not the guy will attempt to get in a position to protect himself and the fight will keep going. It's not for the fans, it's for the fighters. The guy who is getting hit while he's already unconscious would do the same thing if he dropped the other guy. Wide Receivers risk getting nailed when they're going across the middle and MMA fighters risk getting their brain rattled around. It's what they're paid to do.
9 out of 10 fights that are stopped are protested by the guy who was KO'd.
9 out of 10 fights that are stopped are protested by the guy who was KO'd.
AND I HAVE SEEN PLENTY OF FIGHTS WHERE THE FIGHT HAS BEEN STOPPED AFTER ONE GOOD SHOT.
BUT I'VE ALSO SEEN FIGHTS WHERE GUYS LOOKED LIKE THEY GOT STARCHED RECOVER AND WIN.
REFS AINT PERFECT. NEITHER ARE FIGHTERS.
KEEP WATCHING MY FRIEND...THAT WAY YOU CAN LEARN.
IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO GET AFTER AWHILE. I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT.
BUT I'VE ALSO SEEN FIGHTS WHERE GUYS LOOKED LIKE THEY GOT STARCHED RECOVER AND WIN.
REFS AINT PERFECT. NEITHER ARE FIGHTERS.
KEEP WATCHING MY FRIEND...THAT WAY YOU CAN LEARN.
IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO GET AFTER AWHILE. I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT.