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Chris Rock is hella funny when he talks about O.J., "I wouldn't do it, but I understand". Damn...thinking about it is making me laugh.
Anyone happen to see O'Reily on abc in the morning the other day. During the interview the anchor asked him about Bush and him declaring "Mission Acomplished". Then O'Reily goes on to say somewhere along the lines of...So!, he was doing it for the troops.
However he did keep his word and apologize. He said he would apologize if they did not find any weapons of mass destruction.
What the hell? if he was doing it for the troops, which I don't think he was, he could of just said thanks men and women for being my arm of power, now perpare yourself to be blown up, because I totally underestimated this whole situation. Now go earn your G.I. Bill.
phil- will this egg feel anything like the eggs and tamatoes that were thrown at Bush's limo by protesters after he rigged the election and now was going into office? The same day he couldn't walk down Penn. Ave. like the rest of the previous presidents because there were to many protesters.
phil-be like your buddy O'Reily and apologize to the rest of the board.
Anyone happen to see O'Reily on abc in the morning the other day. During the interview the anchor asked him about Bush and him declaring "Mission Acomplished". Then O'Reily goes on to say somewhere along the lines of...So!, he was doing it for the troops.
However he did keep his word and apologize. He said he would apologize if they did not find any weapons of mass destruction.
What the hell? if he was doing it for the troops, which I don't think he was, he could of just said thanks men and women for being my arm of power, now perpare yourself to be blown up, because I totally underestimated this whole situation. Now go earn your G.I. Bill.
phil- will this egg feel anything like the eggs and tamatoes that were thrown at Bush's limo by protesters after he rigged the election and now was going into office? The same day he couldn't walk down Penn. Ave. like the rest of the previous presidents because there were to many protesters.
phil-be like your buddy O'Reily and apologize to the rest of the board.
Fuck I don't know, maybe the glove never fit in the first place. Maybe leather shrinks after being wet (moisture from dew in the morning, laying in the grass). Maybe OJ had an accomplice.
I don’t know, I haven’t thought about the trial in a long ass time but I do remember thinking there was enough evidence that indicated OJ was the murderer. Didn’t mean I wanted him to be found guilty, shit I was happy as fuck he got off. I’d kill that cheatin’ bitch too.
Plus, I just don’t understand why that shit would be pinned on OJ as a conspiracy. Shit, I suppose it’s possible in amerika, but at the time it didn’t seem likely. I think OJ just had the best fucking defense money could buy and it only shows my point about Classism vs. Racism.
I don’t know, I haven’t thought about the trial in a long ass time but I do remember thinking there was enough evidence that indicated OJ was the murderer. Didn’t mean I wanted him to be found guilty, shit I was happy as fuck he got off. I’d kill that cheatin’ bitch too.
Plus, I just don’t understand why that shit would be pinned on OJ as a conspiracy. Shit, I suppose it’s possible in amerika, but at the time it didn’t seem likely. I think OJ just had the best fucking defense money could buy and it only shows my point about Classism vs. Racism.
Sure, I agree that there were and still are a bunch of corny ass people who are pissed about it, but fuck, they should let it go. Even if OJ is guilty, what about the thousands of innocent blacks sent to prison over the years?
When I speak about OJ’s trial, I’m not looking at race, I look at all the fuckin money Juice spent to get free. Would a poor black OR white man win that trial?? Fuck no. (well, maybe a white man in certain southern states
)
Shit, look at Martha and the rest of the Enron fucks. In amerika, you have more of a chance of going to jail if you rob $50 from 7/11 than you do if you're rich and steal $50,000,000 from taxpayers.
When I speak about OJ’s trial, I’m not looking at race, I look at all the fuckin money Juice spent to get free. Would a poor black OR white man win that trial?? Fuck no. (well, maybe a white man in certain southern states
)Shit, look at Martha and the rest of the Enron fucks. In amerika, you have more of a chance of going to jail if you rob $50 from 7/11 than you do if you're rich and steal $50,000,000 from taxpayers.
This is a very informative article about the "Iraqi soldiers" being trained in Iraq.
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Soldiers fear that they are 'sleeping with the enemy'
(Filed: 18/10/2004)
Adrian Blomfield discovers deep mistrust between American troops and Iraqi soldiers they are training
If the US marines and Iraqi national guardsmen living at the Karmah military barracks near Fallujah talk at all, they speak through the bars of a small window.
The Americans peer out from the ammunition room, filled with weapons confiscated from suspected insurgents, trading banter with the Iraqis who stand on tiptoes in a huddle outside, their eyes squinting against the glare of the late summer sun.
Though there is laughter, things are not as they should be at Karmah barracks. "This is camp poison," whispers a marine. "Watch your back."
The sinister atmosphere at Karmah barracks is not difficult to understand. The marines are convinced that many, perhaps most, of the 140 members of the Iraqi National Guard (ING) they share the camp with are double agents working on behalf of the insurgents holding Fallujah.
In the past week alone the marines have arrested five of the guardsmen, including their commanding officer, Capt Ali Mohammed Jasim.
It is just one example that a Vietnam-era experiment Washington resurrected to form the backbone of an offensive planned by the end of the year to retake Fallujah, the crucible of Iraq's insurgency, is going disastrously wrong. Under the Combined Action Platoon (CAP) scheme, US soldiers train Iraqi guardsmen, live with them in the same barracks and venture out on joint patrols, all steps towards a longer-term objective of the withdrawal of American troops.
The plan was first developed in Vietnam, where US marines cohabited with local militias to defend villages from Vietcong raids. At the same time the marines trained the militiamen with the intention of turning them into an effective fighting force, but they were too ill-equipped and underpaid for the plan to have much success.
Mark II of the CAP programme seems to be running into even greater problems. Across the country American troops work with their poorly equipped Iraqi colleagues in an atmosphere soured by distrust - especially in provinces where the insurgency is at its most intense.
With Fallujah under insurgent control, US marines such as those at Karmah are trying to secure the surrounding al-Anbar province.
Their efforts have been blighted by remotely detonated mines, known as improvised explosive devices (IEDs), targeting the patrols that nervously venture out on to the lawless streets of towns that have become insurgent havens. Since June, some platoons have seen up to half their men wounded in action. Eighty marines have been killed in the province.
The marines are convinced that the ING knows where many of the IEDs are planted, and even say they have caught guardsmen in the act of laying mines. When joint patrols come under attack, they say, the ING simply refuses to fight. As the relationship worsens, more and more ING are simply refusing to turn up at work. Of the 140 guardsmen based at Karmah an average of between 40 and 60 turn up on any given day. At other CAP barracks, that number is sometimes as low as two. Since the arrest of the Karmah ING captain, the rapport has become even more sullen. The marines sit under canvas shelters, convinced that the guardsmen lurking in their dormitories are traitors and murderers.
"We know when this place is about to come under mortar attack because the ING suddenly disappear," one marine said, staring across the dusty compound at two guardsmen smoking on a wooden bench. "We are supposed to be fighting together, instead we are sleeping with the enemy."
In their bare dormitory angry guardsmen queue up to tell their side of the story, accusing the marines of arrogance, bullying and a cavalier disregard for civilian life. Twelve guardsmen spoke to The Daily Telegraph, but all refused to identify themselves, saying they feared reprisals from the marines.
"The first mistake they make is that when they are attacked they don't just fire at the terrorists, they shoot everywhere," one said.
Other guardsmen alleged that the marines publicly humiliated and even physically assaulted them for minor misdemeanours. Another said he, like many others, had been arrested on suspicion of involvement in planting an IED. He said he was held for 14 days in a tiny "cooler" and then tortured during interrogation.
"They would make me drink water and drink water and then kick me in the stomach till I vomited," he said.
_______________
Soldiers fear that they are 'sleeping with the enemy'
(Filed: 18/10/2004)
Adrian Blomfield discovers deep mistrust between American troops and Iraqi soldiers they are training
If the US marines and Iraqi national guardsmen living at the Karmah military barracks near Fallujah talk at all, they speak through the bars of a small window.
The Americans peer out from the ammunition room, filled with weapons confiscated from suspected insurgents, trading banter with the Iraqis who stand on tiptoes in a huddle outside, their eyes squinting against the glare of the late summer sun.
Though there is laughter, things are not as they should be at Karmah barracks. "This is camp poison," whispers a marine. "Watch your back."
The sinister atmosphere at Karmah barracks is not difficult to understand. The marines are convinced that many, perhaps most, of the 140 members of the Iraqi National Guard (ING) they share the camp with are double agents working on behalf of the insurgents holding Fallujah.
In the past week alone the marines have arrested five of the guardsmen, including their commanding officer, Capt Ali Mohammed Jasim.
It is just one example that a Vietnam-era experiment Washington resurrected to form the backbone of an offensive planned by the end of the year to retake Fallujah, the crucible of Iraq's insurgency, is going disastrously wrong. Under the Combined Action Platoon (CAP) scheme, US soldiers train Iraqi guardsmen, live with them in the same barracks and venture out on joint patrols, all steps towards a longer-term objective of the withdrawal of American troops.
The plan was first developed in Vietnam, where US marines cohabited with local militias to defend villages from Vietcong raids. At the same time the marines trained the militiamen with the intention of turning them into an effective fighting force, but they were too ill-equipped and underpaid for the plan to have much success.
Mark II of the CAP programme seems to be running into even greater problems. Across the country American troops work with their poorly equipped Iraqi colleagues in an atmosphere soured by distrust - especially in provinces where the insurgency is at its most intense.
With Fallujah under insurgent control, US marines such as those at Karmah are trying to secure the surrounding al-Anbar province.
Their efforts have been blighted by remotely detonated mines, known as improvised explosive devices (IEDs), targeting the patrols that nervously venture out on to the lawless streets of towns that have become insurgent havens. Since June, some platoons have seen up to half their men wounded in action. Eighty marines have been killed in the province.
The marines are convinced that the ING knows where many of the IEDs are planted, and even say they have caught guardsmen in the act of laying mines. When joint patrols come under attack, they say, the ING simply refuses to fight. As the relationship worsens, more and more ING are simply refusing to turn up at work. Of the 140 guardsmen based at Karmah an average of between 40 and 60 turn up on any given day. At other CAP barracks, that number is sometimes as low as two. Since the arrest of the Karmah ING captain, the rapport has become even more sullen. The marines sit under canvas shelters, convinced that the guardsmen lurking in their dormitories are traitors and murderers.
"We know when this place is about to come under mortar attack because the ING suddenly disappear," one marine said, staring across the dusty compound at two guardsmen smoking on a wooden bench. "We are supposed to be fighting together, instead we are sleeping with the enemy."
In their bare dormitory angry guardsmen queue up to tell their side of the story, accusing the marines of arrogance, bullying and a cavalier disregard for civilian life. Twelve guardsmen spoke to The Daily Telegraph, but all refused to identify themselves, saying they feared reprisals from the marines.
"The first mistake they make is that when they are attacked they don't just fire at the terrorists, they shoot everywhere," one said.
Other guardsmen alleged that the marines publicly humiliated and even physically assaulted them for minor misdemeanours. Another said he, like many others, had been arrested on suspicion of involvement in planting an IED. He said he was held for 14 days in a tiny "cooler" and then tortured during interrogation.
"They would make me drink water and drink water and then kick me in the stomach till I vomited," he said.