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Yes H, FIRE is on the way.

GOD is the same for a few religions. So love your fellow "TRUE" GOD WORSHIPING ENEMIES. As for ANY WHO DONT BELIEVE IN GOD or even WORSHIP A DIFFERENT GOD You should not even associate with them. Youre really not even allowed to take them into your home.

ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE: You are not allowed to asociate yourself with ANYONE who does NOT draw their religion from the bible and worship the said GOD in the bible.
 

HERESY

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^^^ when you find time to post those verses (and i know which ones they are). i will explain who wrote it,why they wrote it and WHO it was directed at.

:H:

ps somethings thata re mentioned in the bible were meant for the people of THAT time......by the way thats cool how you did that "fire" thingy. be cool man and shoot me your number in pm because i cleared out my box
 
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^Thanks (@fire) I like my posts to have flare when they are important. Maybe it was form working at TGIFridays for so long?!?!

Also i forget the exact verses, but i know that it was from Exodus. Also aware its a very early part of the Bibles chronology, but still no doubt people still wont eat pork from the same words of around those verses. I think Leviticus had the "You will not eat any animal that does not chew the cud or split the hoof". So if peeps still trip off old shit like that, why would you suggest that the olden ways could fit different into today's situation? BUt ill see when you respond on the who what and why.
 
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We're supposed to follow Jesus's teachings.
So I suggest reading the New Testament for the real deal.

The old testament is not for us, it's included in the bible for it's historical purpose.

Compare the old testament which said to love your neighbors and hate your enemies with what Jesus says in the new testament, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.

I think a lot of people do not understand what the bible is all about. And these same people don't even know how to read it.
I suggest to everyone, start off by reading the gospel of John in the new testament....
 
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I'll associate with anyone really, actually it's pretty tight when you run into an atheist and you can at least make em look at things a little differently...I find it a blessing when I can at least make someone look at things from a different perspective.
 
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if u aint supposed to talk to ppl that aint ur religion then how do ppl convert each other? so how is that? how can some ppl talk to them to convert them but i cant talk to a friends who is atheist, what if i wanted him to change and follow my ways? i cant tell him to talk to a priest and get converted??
 
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Furio,

I guess you missed my post.
People do not understand that Jesus actually incourages us to shine light on the non-believers.
He claims that it is our duty as Christians.

It makes total sense, why kick it with fellow Christians if most of them are on track towards the right direction?
It would make sense to help those who are on the wrong path, meaning those who need help.
Remember that Jesus helped only those who needed the actual help. He was curing the sick and helping the poor. While at the same time, he was shining light on those in darkness.
 
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2-0-Sixx,

You know, if people actually practiced what the teachings of the new Testament preach, the world would be perfect.

But the world is far from that.
And your last post is a perfect example of why it isn't....
 
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miggidy said:
2-0-Sixx,

You know, if people actually practiced what the teachings of the new Testament preach, the world would be perfect.
because people interpret the bible differently and they always will. i mean protestants and catholics get different reads out of the same material. shit even factions of different protestants interpret the bible differently.

look at the constitution of the united states. you got democrates/liberals and republicans/conservatives reading the same constitution and getting different interpretations.
 
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Mcleanhatch that is very true.
It's hard to understand why someone looks at scripture differently than others.
Especially with the New Testament, it is very clear.

I can only blame all existing Christian denominations for the confusion.
You want the real deal, you have to read the scripture for yourself.
 
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miggidy said:
Mcleanhatch
It's hard to understand why someone looks at scripture differently than others.
Especially with the New Testament, it is very clear.

You want the real deal, you have to read the scripture for yourself.
true, but just to play devils advocate how can me or you or any other person on the street know more about about what the bible means than churce officials who have devoted their entire lives to the God.
 
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ok, jesus had the power to heal and many other good powers, i dont have shit! no one on earth has shit like that to help ppl! why would anyone listen to me? i dont get how ppl listen to missinoaries, i mean im was born catholic, but i still do believe in god. i just cant understand how someone would listen to another human being. if someone would ask me to convert to islam than i would probably say no, not cuz of any hatred towards them, but cuz i have been catholic my whole life. and i guess these ways are working for me.
 
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Mcleanhatch,

I understand, the answer is simple.
Church officials are hypocrites who are only after personal gain.
That's why they bend shit around, it's for their benefit.
You want your religion to fly straight?
Loose the whole "church" concept.
You see a church, pastor, or priest system is only destinned for corruption.

You can always start a clean church but for what?
After you pass away, some asshole will take over and screw things up.

Maybe there is a way to keep a church clean, but it will be too difficult when there will always be evil conspiring against you.
For this reason I say avoid the whole system in the first place.
 

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Also i forget the exact verses, but i know that it was from Exodus. Also aware its a very early part of the Bibles chronology, but still no doubt people still wont eat pork from the same words of around those verses. I think Leviticus had the "You will not eat any animal that does not chew the cud or split the hoof". So if peeps still trip off old shit like that, why would you suggest that the olden ways could fit different into today's situation? BUt ill see when you respond on the who what and why.
the people who practice that are ORTHODOX JEWS. 99.9999999% of them embrace the TORAH (first five books of the TANAKH) and TALMUD. the new testament is something they dont adhere to.

those people dont accept jesus as the messiah so the new testament and the majority of what he taught is null and void. some sects do hold him as a prophet and holy man but most dont.

certain rules and restrictions were set in place to keep the jews away from IDOLATRY (WHICH REALLY TICKS GOD OFF).

now what a person SHOULD follow is the TWO commandments taught by YESHUA. LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND TO LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.

THIS COINCIDES WITH THE ***ROYAL*** LAW (TEN COMMANDMENTS) WHICH WAS ***NEVER*** ABOLISHED.

SO HERE IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE TAKING SOMETHING AND USING IT FOR GAIN.

THE AVERAGE 501C3 PREACHER WILL HAVE PEOPLE TITHE 10% OF THE MONEY THEY MAKE EVERY SUNDAY BUT WHEN A PERSON READS FOR THEMSELF THEY WILL LEARN SEVERAL THINGS:

1.TITHING WAS *FIRST* USED AS A TAX SYSTEM FOR THE HEBREWS.

2.TITHING WAS *****NEVER***** REQUIRED IN THE FORM OF $$$$$ IT WAS REQUIRED IN PRODUCE AND LIVESTOCK.

3.TITHING WAS REQUIRED OF 11 OF THE 12 TRIBES. THE LEVITES WERE THE PRIESTS AND THEY WERE NOT TO TITHE BUT TO OVERSEE THE GOODS (DISTRIBUTING TO WIDOWS,ORPHANS AND THE POOR ETC ETC ETC)

4.YESHUA STATED THAT IF ONE GIVES IT WAS TO BE OF A CHEERFUL AND PURE HEART AND THAT THE AMOUNT DID NOT MATTER (GIFT OFFERING).

5.THE VERSE IN MALACHI (ABOUT ROBBING GOD THROUGH TITHES AND OFFERINGS) IS NOT DIRECTED AT THE CONGREGATION BUT DIRECTED AT **PRIESTS**.


NOW HOW IS IT THAT THESE PREACHERS CAN ABOLISH THE **ROYAL LAW** AND NOT HOLD THE SABBATH AS A HOLY DAY YET THEY CAN HAVE YOU KEEP PORTIONS OF THE LEVITICAL LAW AND GIVE YOUR CASH???????????


HERES FURTHER READING http://www.harborside.com/~hkupp/

AND THIS ONE http://www.spiritualabuse.org/issues/tithing.html


@MACLEANHATCH
true, but just to play devils advocate how can me or you or any other person on the street know more about about what the bible means than churce officials who have devoted their entire lives to the God.
MAC THIS IS A VERY EASY QUESTION TO ANSWER AND MIGG ANSWERED IT (ALTHOUGH IT WAS BRIEF). *YOU* HAVE THE ***SAME*** ACCESS TO GOD AS THE "CHRUCH OFFICIAL". SO WHAT MUST YOU DO?
You want the real deal, you have to read the scripture for yourself.
IN READING ASK THE RUACH HaKODESH (HOLY SPIRIT) TO TEACH YOU THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT AND NOT THE GARBAGE THAT CREFLO DOLLAR ,BENNY HINN OR THE 700 CLUB SHOVES DOWN YOUR THROAT.


:h:
 
Jul 24, 2002
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2-0,

That's because people can't get along by themselves without guidence.
People are selfish by nature and it's takes something like religion to set them straight.

And that's not all that there is to the bible.
Pick it up and read it for educational purposes and you will see that it's extremely deeper than you think it is.
The bible doesn't teach you to live in guilt, it asks you to acknowledge that you are a sinner. And you need to better yourself in order to help the next man.
Most people are arrogant and feel that life is just about living life to yourself without hurting anyone.
But there's more to life than that. The human race needs you, everyone does. And the bible teaches not only to help everyone but how to do it.

Now your question is why the need for guilt and what does that do for mankind?
Like I said above, you need to feel guilt to let you know that you are not doing enough. As one person, you can never do enough for the world. So you need to strive to help others, those in need of help. People are pefectly fine by taking care of their own, guilt serves as a reminder that you're not doing enough just by taking care of your family.

Man can benefit in many different ways from guilt.
Like I said before, guilt is key to a possitive change in one's heart.

With out guilt, a criminal wouldn't hesitate to shoot you in the head if need be.

Those are just a few examples.


Peace,
Miggidy
 
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it starts with this simple idea

"my god is right, yours is wrong" now i have to take your life because your wrong


well historically and presently we have :
christian crusades
any war involving isreal pretty much
mohamads(spelling?) jihad
spains conquest of latin america