Houston as Super Bowl Champs!
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Bush is not an everydown back because he can not run in between the tackles and Deuce can. I think a defensive lineman could have more of an impact than a swing back. Defensive ends are on the field every defensive play (they create and cause havoc)... the same can't be said about Bush because he's not on the field every offensive play. He's a playmaker no doubt but I would have picked Mario Williams over Bush myself. Mario didn't have that great of a rookie year but look at him now. I know it's only week 1 but he's got two sacks, a fumble recovery, and a TD. He's a big reason the Texans only gave up 3 points to the Chiefs. Games are won and lost in the trenches.
If Bush was that deep the Saints would of at least scored an offensive TD against the Colts.
If Bush was that deep the Saints would of at least scored an offensive TD against the Colts.
Please.
NO SINGLE DEFENSIVE LINEMAN CAN HELP A TEAM WIN MORE THAN REGGIE BUSH CAN. Mario Williams had ONE GOOD GAME. The damn season just started. Look at all the shit Reggie Bush did for the Saints last year. Give me a break.
And by the way, Reggie Bush is a "swing back" because they have Deuce. That's the only reason. You saying Bush cannot run between the tackles like Deuce can has no merit. You don't know that to be true. Deuce is the more experienced NFL running back and that's why they start him, not to mention the fact they're paying him good money so they better damn well use him. The only reason anyone has any sort of doubts about Reggie being an "every down back" is because he never has had to be one. He's always had LenDale White and Deuce there, but there are no real signs that Bush cannot handle the load himself. Reggie is a threat whenever he's on the field, whether he gets the ball or not. He returns punts as well. He runs routes like a receiver. He catches like a receiver. There are so many ways you can use Reggie Bush it's not even funny.
NO SINGLE DEFENSIVE LINEMAN CAN HELP A TEAM WIN MORE THAN REGGIE BUSH CAN. Mario Williams had ONE GOOD GAME. The damn season just started. Look at all the shit Reggie Bush did for the Saints last year. Give me a break.
And by the way, Reggie Bush is a "swing back" because they have Deuce. That's the only reason. You saying Bush cannot run between the tackles like Deuce can has no merit. You don't know that to be true. Deuce is the more experienced NFL running back and that's why they start him, not to mention the fact they're paying him good money so they better damn well use him. The only reason anyone has any sort of doubts about Reggie being an "every down back" is because he never has had to be one. He's always had LenDale White and Deuce there, but there are no real signs that Bush cannot handle the load himself. Reggie is a threat whenever he's on the field, whether he gets the ball or not. He returns punts as well. He runs routes like a receiver. He catches like a receiver. There are so many ways you can use Reggie Bush it's not even funny.
LOL... Julius Peppers?
Bush can't run between the tackles because he can't. He always looks to run outside instead of pounding the ball right up the gut. He doesn't have the size or the power to carry the ball 20-25 times a game... that's why Deuce gets the majority of the carries. He can't touch Deuce when it comes to running inside. Bush is mostly dangerous on screen passes to the flat or when he's matched up one on one with a linebacker. Teams are beginning to figure that out as we speak.
When he scored that long TD against the Bears that was a pick play. The dude that was covering Bush on that play was picked by a New Orleans receiver or else he wouldn't have been that open. Bush is good but he is not no Adrian Peterson. Adrian Peterson can run in between the tackles and outside. Bush is just a scat/swing back.
Bush can't run between the tackles because he can't. He always looks to run outside instead of pounding the ball right up the gut. He doesn't have the size or the power to carry the ball 20-25 times a game... that's why Deuce gets the majority of the carries. He can't touch Deuce when it comes to running inside. Bush is mostly dangerous on screen passes to the flat or when he's matched up one on one with a linebacker. Teams are beginning to figure that out as we speak.
When he scored that long TD against the Bears that was a pick play. The dude that was covering Bush on that play was picked by a New Orleans receiver or else he wouldn't have been that open. Bush is good but he is not no Adrian Peterson. Adrian Peterson can run in between the tackles and outside. Bush is just a scat/swing back.
What about him?
He will not help a team win more than Bush either.
You don't know that.
How do you know that's not what the Saints want him to do?
I agree he is better running to the outside, but that doesn't mean he can't handle it up the gut. He obviously knows how to read his blocks..
He's 6 feet tall and over 200 lbs. He's big enough to be an every down back. He's always had another good RB on his squad so he's never had to be one..
I already explained why Deuce gets the majority of the carries.
The Saints are using Reggie Bush as a swing back because they can. Why not? He's a threat all over the place, you might as well use him all over the place. If Deuce ever leaves, then they'll probably try Reggie as an every down back, but until then he won't have to be one.
The fact that he's never had to be an every down back is the reason people doubt he can be one. It's not like they tried him every down and he failed.
I think Deuce is probably better running inside than Bush, but that doesn't mean Reggie can't do it.
He will not help a team win more than Bush either.
You don't know that.
How do you know that's not what the Saints want him to do?
I agree he is better running to the outside, but that doesn't mean he can't handle it up the gut. He obviously knows how to read his blocks..
He's 6 feet tall and over 200 lbs. He's big enough to be an every down back. He's always had another good RB on his squad so he's never had to be one..
I already explained why Deuce gets the majority of the carries.
The Saints are using Reggie Bush as a swing back because they can. Why not? He's a threat all over the place, you might as well use him all over the place. If Deuce ever leaves, then they'll probably try Reggie as an every down back, but until then he won't have to be one.
The fact that he's never had to be an every down back is the reason people doubt he can be one. It's not like they tried him every down and he failed.
I think Deuce is probably better running inside than Bush, but that doesn't mean Reggie can't do it.
LOL at Julius Peppers not being able to help his team win more than Bush. That's too funny. I guess you don't watch enough of football outside of the 49ers. Everybody who watches football knows that Reggie isn't the kind of running back that pounds the ball in between the tackles/up the gut.
If he's as good as you're advertising he would been have beat out Deuce for the starting RB spot. He doesn't run it up the gut often because he doesn't have the skill/power to do so. So the Saints use him mostly as a receiving threat. It's obvious.... when Bush comes in defenses know where he's going to run it if he gets the ball. To the outside. Look at his yards per carry average. If he was that deep like you're making him out to be he would be averaging at least 4.0 yards per carry.
If he's as good as you're advertising he would been have beat out Deuce for the starting RB spot. He doesn't run it up the gut often because he doesn't have the skill/power to do so. So the Saints use him mostly as a receiving threat. It's obvious.... when Bush comes in defenses know where he's going to run it if he gets the ball. To the outside. Look at his yards per carry average. If he was that deep like you're making him out to be he would be averaging at least 4.0 yards per carry.
Anybody who thinks that's funny has a whacked-out sense of humor and would have to think anything is funny.
Give it a rest man. This is always your comeback. Anytime someone disagrees you act like they don't watch football outside of their team. I watch any team, it makes no difference to me. Football is my sport.
Anybody who watches REGGIE knows that he never even tries it up the gut. Whether that's because he sucks at it or the Saints would rather have him running outside is not clear to either of us, so don't act like you know when you don't.
You need to brush up on your politics. As long as Deuce is there he will remain the starter. It doesn't matter if Reggie Bush puts up 1,500 yards and 25 TDs.
He doesn't run it up the gut because that's Deuce's job. That doesn't mean that he is not capable of doing so, as you are arguing.
What don't you understand about Reggie's role in New Orleans? Really..
Give it a rest man. This is always your comeback. Anytime someone disagrees you act like they don't watch football outside of their team. I watch any team, it makes no difference to me. Football is my sport.
Anybody who watches REGGIE knows that he never even tries it up the gut. Whether that's because he sucks at it or the Saints would rather have him running outside is not clear to either of us, so don't act like you know when you don't.
You need to brush up on your politics. As long as Deuce is there he will remain the starter. It doesn't matter if Reggie Bush puts up 1,500 yards and 25 TDs.
He doesn't run it up the gut because that's Deuce's job. That doesn't mean that he is not capable of doing so, as you are arguing.
What don't you understand about Reggie's role in New Orleans? Really..
I don't agree with that statement (Fatal's) at all. Games are won and lost in the trenches period. When you got a defensive end that can't be blocked one on one you have to keep extra people in just to block or chip the dude. That leaves an extra defender free to blitz, spy, drop back in zone, etc...
Steve Smith is deep no doubt but he is not that whole Panther's team. Julius Peppers is the defense's MVP and Steve Smith is the offense's MVP. When they got to the SuperBowl Steve Smith did provide huge plays but don't forget about DeShaun Foster's power running (in between the tackles) too. How do you think Smith got those one on one matchups on the outside? That power running game the Panthers had set them deep passes up. Because the safety had to creep down to the line of scrimmage to stop the run.
Julius Peppers can play the pass, run, and rush the passer. I'd take Julius Peppers over Bush anyday. There is no comparison.
Steve Smith is deep no doubt but he is not that whole Panther's team. Julius Peppers is the defense's MVP and Steve Smith is the offense's MVP. When they got to the SuperBowl Steve Smith did provide huge plays but don't forget about DeShaun Foster's power running (in between the tackles) too. How do you think Smith got those one on one matchups on the outside? That power running game the Panthers had set them deep passes up. Because the safety had to creep down to the line of scrimmage to stop the run.
Julius Peppers can play the pass, run, and rush the passer. I'd take Julius Peppers over Bush anyday. There is no comparison.
Check this out: I'll take some quotes from the article if you don't feel like reading it.
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10349731
"Young struggled to throw the football against the Jaguars in his season-opening victory, while Bush seemed to tap-dance to nowhere in his team's loss to the Colts. In talking to some scouts around the league this week, some thought Bush looked tentative at times, which is not what you want from a supposedly star back."
"So let's hold off on the ripping of Casserly and the Texans for making the pick. Williams, like I've said since he came out for the draft, will be a star. Aside from quarterbacks, star defensive ends, especially in this passing era, are the next most-valuable players.
That's not to say Bush won't be a good player, but he's a player that the Saints will have to scheme to make good. You can't just line him up and hand it off to him 25 times."
"Here's a good comparison for thought. Dwight Freeney is arguably one of the two best at his position of defensive end. Larry Johnson is considered second by many in the running back ratings. Freeney is in his sixth year, Johnson in his fifth.
The Colts gave Freeney $30 million in bonus money on the new deal he signed this year. Johnson got $19 million.
Score one for the defensive ends."
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10349731
"Young struggled to throw the football against the Jaguars in his season-opening victory, while Bush seemed to tap-dance to nowhere in his team's loss to the Colts. In talking to some scouts around the league this week, some thought Bush looked tentative at times, which is not what you want from a supposedly star back."
"So let's hold off on the ripping of Casserly and the Texans for making the pick. Williams, like I've said since he came out for the draft, will be a star. Aside from quarterbacks, star defensive ends, especially in this passing era, are the next most-valuable players.
That's not to say Bush won't be a good player, but he's a player that the Saints will have to scheme to make good. You can't just line him up and hand it off to him 25 times."
"Here's a good comparison for thought. Dwight Freeney is arguably one of the two best at his position of defensive end. Larry Johnson is considered second by many in the running back ratings. Freeney is in his sixth year, Johnson in his fifth.
The Colts gave Freeney $30 million in bonus money on the new deal he signed this year. Johnson got $19 million.
Score one for the defensive ends."
LOL... why because I would chose J Russell over Calvin Johnson? Or Mario Williams over Reggie Bush? You'd make a horrible GM if you'd chose to draft Bush over Peppers. You've got to be kiddin'... Peppers boo boos on Bush.
Correct me if I am wrong... Your Niners play both the Saints and Panthers right? We'll see who gives your team more trouble out of Peppers and Bush. Remember this post...
Correct me if I am wrong... Your Niners play both the Saints and Panthers right? We'll see who gives your team more trouble out of Peppers and Bush. Remember this post...
I think they were consistantly at the bottom of the league because they had David Carr in there... (you know the Qb you thought the Raiders should have signed so they could draft Calvin Johnson).
Second... is coaching. They gotta knew coach and qb. And don't forget... they're building up that D-line which all started with drafting Mario Williams. So while they "were" consistantly at the bottom of the league they won't be anymore.
Second... is coaching. They gotta knew coach and qb. And don't forget... they're building up that D-line which all started with drafting Mario Williams. So while they "were" consistantly at the bottom of the league they won't be anymore.