Heresy - Sick Wid It - any pro producers......

[Hilltop Hound]

My Input

Check this. Back in the days a engineer got all the production credit. Hell back in the days, wasn't too many artist or beatmakers that were getting their proper credits, or royalties.
Today, music is changing, and growing. Artists are more indepth with knowledge of the industry and want their proper credits.
The word PRODUCE means to make. If someone made the beat, they should get production credit. If they don't, that's between them and the dude who got the credit.
In most cases, some producers will sit the back seat for someone with a bigger name like Dr. Dre or Quincy Jones as it will help to get them more $$$$.
A classic example is Ghostwriting. At first, ghostwriters didn't get their credits in the J-Card (they settled with the publishing points and the upfront payoff) but they do now. YOu know why? Everybody wants their credit now.
So now as you notice with most CD booklets, there isn't just a producer. There is a producer and an engineer. The beat maker should get the production credit, and the engineer, engineer credit. If not, then should we say:
Cool Nutz, I gave you the idea for that song. Shouldn't I get writing credit?
Tadou, I mastered your whole album, I deserve production credit. (Especially mastering is basically no different from engineering. You are tweeking and already made product)
D-Sane, I told you to take that snare out and replace it with a different sound, Don't I get the production credit?
I wrote every song on my album but you put up the money. I still should get Executive producer because their my songs.
See all of this is BS! Simply divide them.
ARTIST: Person who performs the song
WRITTEN By: Person(s) who composed the song
PRODUCER: Person who made the beat
ENGINEER: Person who recorded, and mixed the song
MASTERER: Person who mastered the track or album
EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Financial institute who made it possible
In the end, the credit is decided by the person who makes the J-Card or CD Booklet. Hopefully my comrades will come to terms with this. And one more thing....
If you get production credit or engineering credit and you only mixed the song. What does it matter? You got credit for your work. Nothing to go this far about.

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[Sick Wid It]

The person who made the beat is called a COMPOSER. Not a "producer". All of you who can't grasp the concept must be confused by the fact that a lot of the time the people behind the music take on more than just one role.

Credits are (or atleast should be) appropriated on the basis of what work you actually did on the song. NO, people who make beats are not automatically producers.

It's the same process to create songs whether you are doing rap, country, rock, jazz, gosphel, folk, whatever the fuck man. As far as I've seen, it's only in rap music where this controversy exists. I believe that people argue what the appropriate credits are because they don't have a clear understanding of what the terms mean. By a lot of the posts I've read, thats pretty obvious.

Artist:
The person(s) who performs a song.

Composer:
The person(s) who writes the musical aspect of a song.

Writer:
The person(s) who writes the lyrical aspect of a song.

Producer:
The person(s) who make fundamental decisions about the different elements of a song to create a final piece of work.

Recording Engineer:
The person(s) in charge of overseeing the actual recording process of a song.

Mix Engineer:
The person(s) in charge of overseeing the mixing process of all of the recorded elements of a song.

Mastering Engineer:
The person(s) responsible for the 'mastering' stage. The optional final stage before the song is in completed form.

These definitions are not negotiable! The ONLY aspect of this that you can even debate is the amount of input it takes to justify a credit. As far as I'm concerned, for a person to be given a certain credit, they must have made SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS which directly affected the end result at any stage of the song making process.

One last thing... Nobody is legally obligated to provide written credits for ANY task performed in the song creating process. That is a condition of your contract!

 

[HERESY]

@hill top hound. with all do respect my friend your waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off. like i said no disrespect but as a CEO of an established label (i assume its established) you should be the MAIN one using the correct terms.


@sic wid it

The person who made the beat is called a COMPOSER. Not a "producer". All of you who can't grasp the concept must be confused by the fact that a lot of the time the people behind the music take on more than just one role.

i have said this over and over and over and over in this debate (or whatever it is) and some people cant grasp this.

It's the same process to create songs whether you are doing rap, country, rock, jazz, gosphel, folk, whatever the fuck man. As far as I've seen, it's only in rap music where this controversy exists.

100% true. this is why a lot of people sign bad contracts (that lead to drama). they dont know the terms,verbage,definitions etc etc etc . "A FOOL AND HIS MONEY ARE SOON PARTED". just because this is the rap game NOTHING changes. a contract is a contract and you dont have "GENRE SPECIFIC" contracts.

I believe that people argue what the appropriate credits are because they don't have a clear understanding of what the terms mean. By a lot of the posts I've read, thats pretty obvious.

is it that obvious???????

Artist:
The person(s) who performs a song.

Composer:
The person(s) who writes the musical aspect of a song.

Writer:
The person(s) who writes the lyrical aspect of a song.

Producer:
The person(s) who make fundamental decisions about the different elements of a song to create a final piece of work.

Recording Engineer:
The person(s) in charge of overseeing the actual recording process of a song.

Mix Engineer:
The person(s) in charge of overseeing the mixing process of all of the recorded elements of a song.

Mastering Engineer:
The person(s) responsible for the 'mastering' stage. The optional final stage before the song is in completed form.

100% TRUTH.

These definitions are not negotiable!

GOT THAT RIGHT.

HERE IS SOMETHING THATW AS SAID THAT IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUE THAT MANY OVER LOOK IT!!!!!

One last thing... Nobody is legally obligated to provide written credits for ANY task performed in the song creating process. That is a condition of your contract!

keep that in mind fellas. this cat has just laced your boots for like the 767854837572 time in the same post!


god bless you all and continue to make good music.



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[Mr. D-Sane]

The drama continues.........

Some of us are never gonna see eye 2 eye on this subject........

 

[HERESY]

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[Mr. Samos]

Mixed and Mastered: D-Sane
Produced, Performed & Written: Steve?

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