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And in the books Sansa gets raped by like 20 dudes when kings landing riots and the hound saved her afterwords lol. At least she only got raped by one dude.
It was Lolly's Stokesworth that was raped by the 20 dudes, not Sansa. Lolly's and Sansa got pulled into the rioters and The Hound saved Sansa, but couldn't find Lollys. Lollys is the fat chick Bronn ends up marrying in the show and in the books, but in the books Lollys ended up having a bastard child from the rape lol.

I really don't know why they decided to put Sansa in Winterfell and have Ramsay rape her, it was ridiculous. She's had nothing but bad stuff inflicted on her constantly from the very beginning of this. Her brother gets crippled, Joffrey has her wolf executed because Arya kicked his ass, her Dad gets executed in front of her then Joffrey shows her his head, her brother gets murdered, mother murdered, she thinks bran and rickon have been murdered, Joffrey had her beaten and stripped all the time, she was humiliated at court all the time, she got married to Tyrion, she got blamed for Joffrey's death, her crazy ass aunt tried to throw her down the moon door, she has to deal with the retard sickly Robin, it was bad enough. But then the show inflicts creepy ass Littlefinger on her with his grooming and advances, and then she gets tossed to the worst people in the series to be raped. It just felt kind of... hollow and cheap. I've always felt her story was very slowly building up to be this epic retribution and revenge arc on everyone who hurt her, like Sansa is finally going to just stop simply surviving and start actively playing the game. The show kinda started to tease that with Littlefingers lessons then quickly just abandoned it by having her thrown away and raped and impregnated. Incoming extreme white-knight-romanticism I don't know man I was really hoping Sansa would get saved by a true knight or she'd realize the power in herself before it was too late, that's what she's always wanted, and then rise to power in Winterfell. It just seems like bad on top of bad on top of bad, which is pretty much GoT's thing ("If you think this story has a happy ending you haven't been paying attention" etc), but they had a chance to really switch it up and do something great with Sansa's arc. Even if she does eventually become powerful and takes down Littlefinger and everyone else it wont feel as powerful or as satisfying.
 
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Stannis as Lord Commander of The Nights Watch? He'd be damn good at that. But I think he's dead. Once he burned his daughter it was over. No coming back from that.

I don't think GRRM will change the books drastically from the show just to spite them. I think he loves all this additional fame he's getting and he's in talks with HBO and Cinemax for three additional projects. He wasn't hands-on this season because he wanted to focus on writing. He didn't write any of the episodes this season like he normally does if I remember correctly so it's his own fault if he's unhappy with some of the changes this season.

The Dorne stuff in the show wasn't that great but I also didn't care for Dorne in the books, I was never happy when a Dorne POV came up. I think HBO added Jamie to Dorne because he's one of the main characters and he basically had nothing to do since they already cut out some of his parts in the books so they probably came up with a way to get h in screen time and this was it. Add him to Dorne.
 

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Stannis as Lord Commander of The Nights Watch? He'd be damn good at that. But I think he's dead. Once he burned his daughter it was over. No coming back from that.

I don't think GRRM will change the books drastically from the show just to spite them. I think he loves all this additional fame he's getting and he's in talks with HBO and Cinemax for three additional projects. He wasn't hands-on this season because he wanted to focus on writing. He didn't write any of the episodes this season like he normally does if I remember correctly so it's his own fault if he's unhappy with some of the changes this season.

The Dorne stuff in the show wasn't that great but I also didn't care for Dorne in the books, I was never happy when a Dorne POV came up. I think HBO added Jamie to Dorne because he's one of the main characters and he basically had nothing to do since they already cut out some of his parts in the books so they probably came up with a way to get h in screen time and this was it. Add him to Dorne.
Great points; yeah it's pretty far fetched but I just kinda hope it played out that way somehow. It'd be cool. And I know the show basically abandoned Beric Dondarrion, but what if he popped up just long enough to resurrect Stannis? I mean burning his daughter should've fuckin done more than melt a little bit of snow, especially when burning some leeches spawned demons that took down a king and shit, it seems like kind of a gip if you ask me lol. Maybe Beric Dondarrion and his red priest somehow stumbles upon Stannis' fresh body and bring him back to serve the lord of light at the Wall? I don't know I just think Stannis would be perfect leading the fight against the white walkers and am doing mental gymnastics trying to figure out a way to imagine it happening lol

And you're right GRRM probably wont do something so ridiculous, I don't know why I have this mental image of him being petty and bitter in my head lol.
 
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Beric Dondarrion can still come back, I mean Bran Stark and that whole storyline was put on pause for the entire season but it's not abandoned, the same could be true for Dondarrion and the outlaws. Perhaps they didn't know where they would fit with the crazy amount of stuff they had to fit into ten episodes. I'm hoping it will anyways, that was one of the coolest storylines. I guess we'll know when casting is released/leaked.

With burning Stannis the Mannis daughter, I think Melisandre was wrong that's why it didn't work. She thought Stannis was the chosen one, he was the Prince that was promised, but she read her visions wrong. Jon Snow is the Prince that was promised, not Stannis (probably/hopefully). They always say blood magic is the most powerful but also the most dangerous. It's unpredictable. That's my take on it anyways.
 
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It was Lolly's Stokesworth that was raped by the 20 dudes, not Sansa. Lolly's and Sansa got pulled into the rioters and The Hound saved Sansa, but couldn't find Lollys. Lollys is the fat chick Bronn ends up marrying in the show and in the books, but in the books Lollys ended up having a bastard child from the rape lol.

I really don't know why they decided to put Sansa in Winterfell and have Ramsay rape her, it was ridiculous. She's had nothing but bad stuff inflicted on her constantly from the very beginning of this. Her brother gets crippled, Joffrey has her wolf executed because Arya kicked his ass, her Dad gets executed in front of her then Joffrey shows her his head, her brother gets murdered, mother murdered, she thinks bran and rickon have been murdered, Joffrey had her beaten and stripped all the time, she was humiliated at court all the time, she got married to Tyrion, she got blamed for Joffrey's death, her crazy ass aunt tried to throw her down the moon door, she has to deal with the retard sickly Robin, it was bad enough. But then the show inflicts creepy ass Littlefinger on her with his grooming and advances, and then she gets tossed to the worst people in the series to be raped. It just felt kind of... hollow and cheap. I've always felt her story was very slowly building up to be this epic retribution and revenge arc on everyone who hurt her, like Sansa is finally going to just stop simply surviving and start actively playing the game. The show kinda started to tease that with Littlefingers lessons then quickly just abandoned it by having her thrown away and raped and impregnated. Incoming extreme white-knight-romanticism I don't know man I was really hoping Sansa would get saved by a true knight or she'd realize the power in herself before it was too late, that's what she's always wanted, and then rise to power in Winterfell. It just seems like bad on top of bad on top of bad, which is pretty much GoT's thing ("If you think this story has a happy ending you haven't been paying attention" etc), but they had a chance to really switch it up and do something great with Sansa's arc. Even if she does eventually become powerful and takes down Littlefinger and everyone else it wont feel as powerful or as satisfying.

Why do you think her storyline needs a revenge arc to be "great"?
 
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Why do you think her storyline needs a revenge arc to be "great"?
because a lot of my favorite parts of the story so far has been when it's been kind of a revenge / retribution thing. Like when Khal Drogo gets pissed when someone tries to kill Daenerys, and gives his "I will cross the bad water and give you this Iron chair" speech, it was awesome. When the North united behind Robb Stark and there was the whole "Da King in Da Norrrrth!" shouting and stuff, it was awesome. I just was kinda hoping there'd be a whole uniting and "Da Queen in da Norrrth!" shit, to revenge the Starks
 
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because a lot of my favorite parts of the story so far has been when it's been kind of a revenge / retribution thing. Like when Khal Drogo gets pissed when someone tries to kill Daenerys, and gives his "I will cross the bad water and give you this Iron chair" speech, it was awesome. When the North united behind Robb Stark and there was the whole "Da King in Da Norrrrth!" shouting and stuff, it was awesome. I just was kinda hoping there'd be a whole uniting and "Da Queen in da Norrrth!" shit, to revenge the Starks

I guess I can see that but if every character had a revenge arc, individually they wouldn't be as satisfying because you would know with certainty the arc was a forgone conclusion.

Right now you don't know whether it's coming or not.
 
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Beric Dondarrion can still come back, I mean Bran Stark and that whole storyline was put on pause for the entire season but it's not abandoned, the same could be true for Dondarrion and the outlaws. Perhaps they didn't know where they would fit with the crazy amount of stuff they had to fit into ten episodes. I'm hoping it will anyways, that was one of the coolest storylines. I guess we'll know when casting is released/leaked.

With burning Stannis the Mannis daughter, I think Melisandre was wrong that's why it didn't work. She thought Stannis was the chosen one, he was the Prince that was promised, but she read her visions wrong. Jon Snow is the Prince that was promised, not Stannis (probably/hopefully). They always say blood magic is the most powerful but also the most dangerous. It's unpredictable. That's my take on it anyways.
Well yeah, it's pretty clear in the books too. It kept saying "I look to my visions, and all I see is snow..." and obvious hints like that. But Stannis has to be a part of it too. In the book his sword lightbringer wasn't that bright, and a few suspected it didn't have the right glow, and there was some prophecy that it would take great sacrifice to strengthen it. For instance I think it was one of the Targaryen's who cut down his wife or something to create a sword like that. Somehow Stannis is tied into Jon's arc. I can totally see Stannis being at the wall with a fiery sword
 
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Stannis sword is fraudulent. Everyone laughs at it and makes fun of it. Even Renley was burning him about his fake sword!

"Stannis, thats a very pretty sword, I'll grant you, but I think the glow off it has ruined your eyes". -Renley

"That sword is not lightbringer, my friend" -Salladhor Saan

"The sword is wrong, she has to know that...light without heat...an empty glamour...the sword is wrong, and the false light can only lead us deeper into darkness. -Maester Aemon to Samwell

That's the thing with Stannis, no one really likes him. He's got a stick up his ass lol. People loved Renley, they would do anything for him and follow him anywhere. In that regard, he was a better leader than Stannis. All this shit would have been avoided too if Stannis supported his brother Renley but Stannis is all we gotta follow the law to the T, Mr No Fun asshole lol. I never really understood the hype behind Stannis and his following amongst book readers. Anyways I'm rambling. Yeah the sword, if you're talking about Lightbringer, the legend was supposedly it was thrust through Azor Ahi's wife or whatever.
 
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Because Stannis the Mannis, that's why!

lol. I think he's popular because he's got the sense of honor that Ned Stark has, but has enough political foresight to not blindly walk into other people's shady traps and get himself killed. Also for quite awhile he was the most legitimate threat to Joffrey, who everybody hated. He was also basically the only one who had enough sense to take the white walkers seriously.

I don't know with him gone it kind of feels like everybody is just going to be dead at the end. I'm trying to delude myself into thinking this is going to end happily for a lot of the characters, or there will be peace throughout Westeros eventually.

edit: meh fuck it nvm cant figure out this gif shit
 
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He has a sense of duty and what's right, that's for sure. He is kind of a dick though, a lot of men just don't care for him and have never been as passionate about following him as say they were for Renley. I get that he was supposed to bring order to the realm, and of course him going to the wall while everyone else ignored their cries was honorable. And while he isn't stupid enough to walk into traps let us not forget he allowed this Red Priest to totally manipulate him and even make him believe in some really outrageous stuff. Dude has to know his sword is burning with wildfire, but for whatever reason he lets her con him with trickery, alchemy and pyromancy.
 
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So I nerded up and bought the big The Untold History of Westeros, which has some cool illustrations besides all the history. And was kinda thrown back by the massive size of one of the three Dragons Aegon the Conqueror had, Balerion. People wonder how Daenerys can take over the seven kingdoms with her dragons, well those motherfuckers are still young and not even grown. They could potentially double in size.

Here is an illustration of Aegon riding Balerion from the book:

 
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It was Lolly's Stokesworth that was raped by the 20 dudes, not Sansa. Lolly's and Sansa got pulled into the rioters and The Hound saved Sansa, but couldn't find Lollys. Lollys is the fat chick Bronn ends up marrying in the show and in the books, but in the books Lollys ended up having a bastard child from the rape lol.

I really don't know why they decided to put Sansa in Winterfell and have Ramsay rape her, it was ridiculous. She's had nothing but bad stuff inflicted on her constantly from the very beginning of this. Her brother gets crippled, Joffrey has her wolf executed because Arya kicked his ass, her Dad gets executed in front of her then Joffrey shows her his head, her brother gets murdered, mother murdered, she thinks bran and rickon have been murdered, Joffrey had her beaten and stripped all the time, she was humiliated at court all the time, she got married to Tyrion, she got blamed for Joffrey's death, her crazy ass aunt tried to throw her down the moon door, she has to deal with the retard sickly Robin, it was bad enough. But then the show inflicts creepy ass Littlefinger on her with his grooming and advances, and then she gets tossed to the worst people in the series to be raped. It just felt kind of... hollow and cheap. I've always felt her story was very slowly building up to be this epic retribution and revenge arc on everyone who hurt her, like Sansa is finally going to just stop simply surviving and start actively playing the game. The show kinda started to tease that with Littlefingers lessons then quickly just abandoned it by having her thrown away and raped and impregnated. Incoming extreme white-knight-romanticism I don't know man I was really hoping Sansa would get saved by a true knight or she'd realize the power in herself before it was too late, that's what she's always wanted, and then rise to power in Winterfell. It just seems like bad on top of bad on top of bad, which is pretty much GoT's thing ("If you think this story has a happy ending you haven't been paying attention" etc), but they had a chance to really switch it up and do something great with Sansa's arc. Even if she does eventually become powerful and takes down Littlefinger and everyone else it wont feel as powerful or as satisfying.
Yeah well i think it was Sansa. It's just my opinion

Actually I listen to audio books at work and these are a little hard to follow while doing other shit. Also I only read first sentence of your book and thought yeah butcher probably right
 
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I love that style of illustration. One of my favs is an artists rendition of the Iron Throne that even G.R.R.M. said was his actual mental picture of it too. Shit was badass I wish they would've made one for the show, as hard an expensive as that would've been to pull off
 

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lol @ comparing them to anime dragons

after the season ended i cracked out on GoT theory videos and one going around was about the maesters colluding to kill all the dragons off, idr what their motive was with that tho. maybe we'll find out more thru sam & the citadel
 
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