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HERESY

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i dont see why it would sound better comming out the actual keyboard.
He told you why. Also, these boards have their own converters and chips dedicated just for sound. In addition, many have their own data compression techniques, and this will also have an impact on sound quality.

U get on reason or any other software they got all that shit and more extra shit.
Do you own a workstation?

I dont make beats but i watch my brother and homies fuckin with that shit all the time. They always tell me crazy shit like what i'm telling yall. They all havent paid for anything. Everything they got was for from downloading. But yeah, they got all that shit. He just got all the Korg Oasis, and Yamaha files and another Fantom x8 file or something. He gots alot of the old casio shit too.
I don't think you understand how patches and voice polyphony operate. But man use whatever works for you. I'm sticking with my hardware, and I love it. I'm sticking with my software and I love it.
 
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HERESY said:
He told you why. Also, these boards have their own converters and chips dedicated just for sound. In addition, many have their own data compression techniques, and this will also have an impact on sound quality.

oops, my bad. But i was thinkin that all them knobs it has all over the screen would have all them little functions in it too.


Do you own a workstation?

I cant say i do. I messed around with a korg for a couple of hours and got frustrated.


I don't think you understand how patches and voice polyphony operate. But man use whatever works for you. I'm sticking with my hardware, and I love it. I'm sticking with my software and I love it.
I aint knockin hardware or anything. I dont understand alot of shit about them technical features ur talkin about. Just tryin to get people to save money thats it.
 
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8FIVE8 said:
I aint knockin hardware or anything. I dont understand alot of shit about them technical features ur talkin about. Just tryin to get people to save money thats it.
saving money is cool but with out facts to back up your statements do more harm then good.Cause as others have told you there is a difference...doesnt mean you cant make a bangin track off free software....no offense but gets some hands on experience with someone who can show you a thing or two...Before I took the plunge into making beats as a hobby I thought just like you(not exactly)...I thought hardware was computers with keys..or computers with faders etc...I aint never heard your brothers or friends beats..but be honest with yourself are they the next big thing are you always anxious to spread the word about their talent so everyone can experience their greatness?...Im guessing they enjoy what they do but arent serious about it cause the stuff they telling you isnt right..I was lucky to have a few friends with almost any keyboard drum machine made..i bought my first..the sp12 turbo from johnathan sugarfoot mofit...(drummer janet jackson/elton john etc tec.) he showed me a few things..my other friends have loads of equipment and it mostly all gets used....its a tool chest...
 

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50cal said:
saving money is cool but with out facts to back up your statements do more harm then good.Cause as others have told you there is a difference...doesnt mean you cant make a bangin track off free software....no offense but gets some hands on experience with someone who can show you a thing or two...Before I took the plunge into making beats as a hobby I thought just like you(not exactly)...I thought hardware was computers with keys..or computers with faders etc...I aint never heard your brothers or friends beats..but be honest with yourself are they the next big thing are you always anxious to spread the word about their talent so everyone can experience their greatness?...Im guessing they enjoy what they do but arent serious about it cause the stuff they telling you isnt right..I was lucky to have a few friends with almost any keyboard drum machine made..i bought my first..the sp12 turbo from johnathan sugarfoot mofit...(drummer janet jackson/elton john etc tec.) he showed me a few things..my other friends have loads of equipment and it mostly all gets used....its a tool chest...
Thats game right there, and he is speaking from experience.
 
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Also if you dont know anyone..go to a guitar center..or sam ash...interact with people there buying equipment....I used to have afriend that worked at one...I spent hours hanging out...not only did I meet the friends I talk about who taught me a thing or two...but it gave me a chance to hear and play with different equipment..
My most memorable time was I was up there with my friend and a few engineers came in who wanted to compare mic pres..like the avalon..the universal audio..trident..focusrite.One recognized my friend cause I guess he engineered at same studio when my boy did the killafornia project album....so I sat there and soaked up like a sponge the info from professionals....They both like the universal audio..at least for their applications...all tests were done with a relativiley inexpensive mic probably a seinheiser if I remember correctly...so I guess what i learned was if you can get a basic mic to sound good whatever you have at the studio should sound just as good....
I am far from an expert and you can fill a book with stuff i dont know...but sometimes getting off the net and using your ears to learn as opposed to reading a thread from someone who just blurts out random info on the web,and I see that on alot of sites..On this site you can get away with more but go to a recoding site and some one might call you on it...and back it up with schematics/diagrams and math equations...and that aint no joke..
 
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Good $hit 50Cal.


As far as that sampling goes, I would only really recommend the percussion sounds to you 8FIVE8 because you can get away with it for the most part with hiphop, I mean you ain't doing no Jazz where you need multiple different velocities and what not. Most often than not for your basic hiphop drum beats you just need that one same velocity snare/clap hit, bass kick, hi-hat, open-hat, shaker,etc....

However, for your synth sound needs, piano, guitar and other instruments such as those which will be used for melodies, I definitely recommend recording the real thing if you can, using the actual keyboard if the sound you want is coming from a Motif, Fantom, Nordlead, whatever the hell,... or from properly done software libraries like Hypersonic, SampleTank, Trilogy, Atmosphere, Nexus,etc... that way you can get all the true sound as closest possible to the real thing. I mean don't use a single-shot sample sound of a guitar pluck or piano press, $hit will sound really wack if you try to do a melody with that. You need it all, all the note ranges, velocities, voices that way it's as closest to the real thing and you can play it like an actual instrument with your midi controller. Why do you think some of these sample libraries are like gigabytes worth of data just for a few different instruments or for the same instrument. Just check out Spectrasonics Triology, that $hit is on like 5CDs I believe. I don't have Trilogy, but I assume one CD might be for an electric bass, another for acoustic, another for synth bass,etc..
 

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50 do you still use your jp8080?
I have the jp8000...(mostly the same)..but Yeah i use it as my midi controller..I like the joystick for pitch bend and modulation as compared to wheels on other synths..plus roland builds these to last unlike korg.Since I got my ATC I dont use it for bass sounds being my motif dont have any synth bass sounds I like.Their still is 1 bass sound on the jp8000 that I really like called the juno bass,,,but I also use it for pads some really nice ones on the jp8000.The jp8000 is very capable of creating some great sounds.
 
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CcytzO_Loc said:
peep this dude Epik's beats on soundclicc...he has a video showing how he makes his beats....he got some nice sounding shit and all he uses is a laptop with fruity loops (i dont know what plugins he uses though) and a midi board.....

he making some good money though slangin beats.....

http://www.soundclick.com/pro/view/02/default.cfm?BandID=403545
YO THANKS FOR THE LOVE YALL I APPRECIATE IT FOR REAL....

ALL YOUR DUDES THAT THINK SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE ARE ANY DIFFERENT YOUR WRONG.. THERE ALL CONTROLLED BY COMPUTERS IT'S ALL IN HOW YOU USE IT.. THE BEATS ON MY SOUNDCLICK PAGE ARE 6 MONTHS TO A YEAR OLD.. SO LOL THATS NOT EVER THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG..

if you wanna hear some more recent tracks hit this up http://www.rocbattle.com/forums/member.php?u=9276

AND TO ALL YOU PRODUCERS IF YOU NEED HELP SELLING BEATS HIT ME UP I HAVE A SOUNDCLICK DEDICATED TO UP AND COMING PRODUCERS TRYING TO MAKE A LIL MONEY OFF THERE TALENTS..
JUST GOT TO

WWW.SOUNDCLICK.COM/1HUNDREDDOLLARBEATS

IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BEING A PART OF THIS JUST SEND 2 BEATS WITH YOUR INFO TO [email protected] AIGHT YALL 1
 
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epik said:
YO THANKS FOR THE LOVE YALL I APPRECIATE IT FOR REAL....

ALL YOUR DUDES THAT THINK SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE ARE ANY DIFFERENT YOUR WRONG.. THERE ALL CONTROLLED BY COMPUTERS IT'S ALL IN HOW YOU USE IT.. THE BEATS ON MY SOUNDCLICK PAGE ARE 6 MONTHS TO A YEAR OLD.. SO LOL THATS NOT EVER THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG..

if you wanna hear some more recent tracks hit this up http://www.rocbattle.com/forums/member.php?u=9276

AND TO ALL YOU PRODUCERS IF YOU NEED HELP SELLING BEATS HIT ME UP I HAVE A SOUNDCLICK DEDICATED TO UP AND COMING PRODUCERS TRYING TO MAKE A LIL MONEY OFF THERE TALENTS..
JUST GOT TO

WWW.SOUNDCLICK.COM/1HUNDREDDOLLARBEATS

IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BEING A PART OF THIS JUST SEND 2 BEATS WITH YOUR INFO TO [email protected] AIGHT YALL 1


fa sho mayne aint too many cats on soundclicc who got consistant slaps like your bringin and with what you using thats why i mentioned you here......and thats love how you helping other producers sell beats i dont see too much of that online and off....im a hit you soon as i got a couple free beats to send your way.....
 

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epik said:
ALL YOUR DUDES THAT THINK SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE ARE ANY DIFFERENT YOUR WRONG.. THERE ALL CONTROLLED BY COMPUTERS IT'S ALL IN HOW YOU USE IT..

How do you figure?..not that I even wanna hear the response cause its not true.
DID you know that a porsche and a yugo are the same...I mean they both get you from point A to point B..and they both have 4 wheels..
and why we at it what kind of processor does the arp2600 use?....what about a 2 inch tape machine what kind of processors they got?..i wonder if i can upgrade my calculator to make beats..i mean its a computer to right?
 
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50cal said:
epik said:
ALL YOUR DUDES THAT THINK SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE ARE ANY DIFFERENT YOUR WRONG.. THERE ALL CONTROLLED BY COMPUTERS IT'S ALL IN HOW YOU USE IT..

How do you figure?..not that I even wanna hear the response cause its not true.
DID you know that a porsche and a yugo are the same...I mean they both get you from point A to point B..and they both have 4 wheels..
and why we at it what kind of processor does the arp2600 use?....what about a 2 inch tape machine what kind of processors they got?..i wonder if i can upgrade my calculator to make beats..i mean its a computer to right?
this is a never ending issue.. upgrade your computer get a good interface you can make FL run like any hardware..
 

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epik said:
50cal said:
this is a never ending issue.. upgrade your computer get a good interface you can make FL run like any hardware..
you still made no technical points...thats like me saying add some high performance parts to your yugo and you can make it run like any ferrari?I gues you didnt read in the post where we was talking about your beats sounding crystal clean....I guess you didnt get them upgrades yet?
 

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epik said:
50cal said:
this is a never ending issue.. upgrade your computer get a good interface you can make FL run like any hardware..
how many different brand name vsts can you have running at the same time?example track 1 arturia minmoogvst. track 2. spectrasonics trilogy. and so on?..there are probably a few things software cant do that hardware can...but the real question does that really matter? most people who own these moog vsts think they sound like a moog...do they..NO..hell if you know anything about a moog(mini moog ) then you would know not every mini moog sounds alike.but does it really matter no.My issue with computers is probably cause 9.9 out of 10. who use fruity loops make music thats just no sonically pleasing to the ear..i aint talking whether I like a beat or not Im talking dynamics of sound...and sure alot of people are using software like reason and fruity loops...but get on almost any rap forum and most fans of rap really arent happy with the sound of rap right now..with the exception of the mainstream consumers..and these arent your faithful rap fans they are content to just listen to whatevers in the top 10...no matter what genre.
 
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50cal said:
epik said:
how many different brand name vsts can you have running at the same time?example track 1 arturia minmoogvst. track 2. spectrasonics trilogy. and so on?..there are probably a few things software cant do that hardware can...but the real question does that really matter? most people who own these moog vsts think they sound like a moog...do they..NO..hell if you know anything about a moog(mini moog ) then you would know not every mini moog sounds alike.but does it really matter no.My issue with computers is probably cause 9.9 out of 10. who use fruity loops make music thats just no sonically pleasing to the ear..i aint talking whether I like a beat or not Im talking dynamics of sound...and sure alot of people are using software like reason and fruity loops...but get on almost any rap forum and most fans of rap really arent happy with the sound of rap right now..with the exception of the mainstream consumers..and these arent your faithful rap fans they are content to just listen to whatevers in the top 10...no matter what genre.
Well of course a moog vst and an actual moog is not gonna sound the same.. like you said non of them sound the same.. And i agree with you about FL sounding like trash from a lot of folks.. And i can understand why you would say that about me.. But there are plenty of PRODUCERS (TIMBERLAND, AND DRE) that get there music from beat makers that use REASONS AND CUBASE AND SONAR.... and the sound is perfect.. But yeah i am not happy with music right now as well..

But at the same time when has there been a time where backpackers/ hip hop heads where completely happy with the state of hip hop?? I have a MPC 2000XL, TRITON EXTREME, AND A MOTIF ES RACK AND I RUN THEM ALL INTO FL STUDIO.. But like i said.. HARDWARE V.S. SOFTWARE is a never ending issue

At the end of the day the MPC,SP,AND and any other drum machine/sampler or program can not match the sound of a live band.. And we can argue about that all day to.. But whats the point


LETS MAKE GREAT MUSIC THANKS FOR THE CONVO 50 CAL.. YOUR AN INTELEGENT DUDE 1
 
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50cal said:
how many different brand name vsts can you have running at the same time?example track 1 arturia minmoogvst. track 2. spectrasonics trilogy. and so on?..there are probably a few things software cant do that hardware can...but the real question does that really matter? most people who own these moog vsts think they sound like a moog...do they..NO..hell if you know anything about a moog(mini moog ) then you would know not every mini moog sounds alike.but does it really matter no.
I can run as many VST Plugins as I want, rewire as many programs as I want.

There are things that hardware can do that software can't and there are things that software can do that hardware can't. Software also makes things much EASIER and ACCESSIBLE. I'm referring to DAW's.

I'm not a fan of FL. I do like Reason for it's sounds, that's all.

Arturia VST's kick ass, so whatever, I really couldn't give two shits if they are accurate to the actual hardware or not, the hardware is VINTAGE making it almost an impossible task.

Peace.
 

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Mr. Samos said:
I can run as many VST Plugins as I want, rewire as many programs as I want.

There are things that hardware can do that software can't and there are things that software can do that hardware can't. Software also makes things much EASIER and ACCESSIBLE. I'm referring to DAW's.

I'm not a fan of FL. I do like Reason for it's sounds, that's all.

Arturia VST's kick ass, so whatever, I really couldn't give two shits if they are accurate to the actual hardware or not, the hardware is VINTAGE making it almost an impossible task.

Peace.
when you said you can run as many vsts as you want..Im more interested in fruity loops wich runs vsts..or logic or pro tools. cubase not reason cause its all in one unit...Im asking..cause I dont know.And My question is not how many different sounds..but how many different soft synth applications..like arturia on track 1 fm7 on track 2...spectrasonics on 3...etc....But I feel what you saying..
 

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epik said:
50cal said:
At the end of the day the MPC,SP,AND and any other drum machine/sampler or program can not match the sound of a live band.. And we can argue about that all day to.. But whats the point


LETS MAKE GREAT MUSIC THANKS FOR THE CONVO 50 CAL.. YOUR AN INTELEGENT DUDE 1
making great music is the final verdict and however one can achieve that is irrelevant....but on a side note I posted this in another topic..so in your statemnt about drum machines not matching the sound of a live band...check this out.and yeah this guy aint your average drum machine user..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbReYWXSyjA&search=herbie hancock
 

HERESY

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Software and hardware do not "need" each other, they COMPLIMENT each other. For YEARS people have been making good records before software ever hit the studio. If I want to record some music on a roland 1680 or 2400 I wouldn't need to use any software like reason, logic cubase or anything outside of whatever is offered in the workstations OS. If I wanted to run a mackie 32-8 into 4 adats, I wouldn't need any software to do so. If I wanted to go out from a trident to a 2 inch @ 15ips, I wouldn't "need" software to do so.