GOM topic in the open forum Vol 89: Religious folks need to study their beliefs more.

[Gordon Gekko]

Perhaps a hasty generalization on my part with all things considered, but in my expierences, it's prevelant to the point where it's not generalizing at all. Much the same way people generalize cops as being bad without taking into consideration that there are good cops, though few and far between. But to answer your question, it is similar, but not the same. I think maybe atheists give off the impression of being more boisterous because they are such in the minority. To be quite honest I found nothing wrong with your post. In fact, my first response was poking fun at the inconsistancy, or rather, the extreme variation in religion, which in and of itself is self-defeating. In other words, the very existance of literally hundreds of different variations of religion is evidence of it's futility.

I'm going to back out of this because I think both atheists and theists can be very obnoxious. But using siccness as a small sample size, it tells of the imbalance between theists that keep to themselves and atheists that [don't] keep to themselves.



That's all well and good but if it is your intent to counter my position, you must realize you are standing closer to me than you think. Just because I criticize what someone says doesn't mean I believe the opposite.

The fact that history shows much of the tyranny in this world came from leaders who were Christian, should not blur the line between something done with Christianity as the sole driving force and something done out of the iniquity of someone who happens to be Christian. You are sure to use as examples of the countless leaders who have used God as justification for war but it is important to now understand the difference between doing something out of God's will, and using God as a tool to gain the allegiance of a population. What I'm saying is, IF I were an atheist trying to gain office and, much further down the road start a war, I would profess to the world that I was a God fearing man. How else am I going to get the masses to believe I am best suited to lead them and more specifially, that the decisions I make have great moral standing.

I'm still waiting for a religious person to show me one war or one violent act that was committed in the name of Atheism. Events where the Atheist had to defend themselves against religious nuts doesn't count as violence in the name of Atheism.

 

[MaC A$$ ViC]

sometimes....church is just like compton

 

[Likwid]

Articles like these are necessary. It shows that only a small percentage of "Christians" actually follow the book. The majority pick and chose what sounds good or what fits their lifestyle. Religion is a scam period. I know everyone wants a happily ever after, but its time for people to face reality.

 

[MaC A$$ ViC]

so you're tellin me god didnt help my mom cross the rio grande to give birth to me in this country so i could become a citizen? aliens didnt help

 

[Nuttkase]

Was your mom pregnant with you at the time because that's some savage shit. Props to your momma.

 

[Nuttkase]

But yeah, she did that.

 

[Nuttkase]

Hold on god is making me have to go take a shit right now.

 

[Likwid]

so you're tellin me god didnt help my mom cross the rio grande to give birth to me in this country so i could become a citizen? aliens didnt help

Your mom did that on her own. Don't thank god, thank your moms will to survive.

 

[MaC A$$ ViC]

yeah i know that lol but if you ask my mom she'll swear la virgen de guadalupe was right there with her. i have my own views but to each their own

 

[Likwid]

For older generations thats all they know. And for those growing up poor like my family (like the last fuckin' 6 generations at least) faith is all they have. Some of us can see beyond it. We get some education and use logic to piece together the details. I won't ever tell my parents how I feel though. They're getting older and I don't want them to stress knowing another one of their children have gone astray so to speak.

 

[REACHTMO]

If jesus burns a bible in the woods, does god hear it?

 

[Likwid]

you just divided by zero

 

[Ethereal]

I'm still waiting for a religious person to show me one war or one violent act that was committed in the name of Atheism. Events where the Atheist had to defend themselves against religious nuts doesn't count as violence in the name of Atheism.

I can name atheist regimes that have killed millions, but not in the name of atheism. I do not believe atheists are inherently bad, or violent people. In fact, I believe quite the opposite. It is, as I've said, the iniquity of a man that drives him to commit evil, and not his theism. I believe people use God/religion as a tool to justify acts of war. This is not to say people have not been killed in the same of religion. However, I think it's important to distinguish between religion and theism. Someone saying "Allah told me to kill you all" is not killing in the name of theism (he does not kill because he believes in a God), rather he kills because of the specifics of his religion.

 

[REACHTMO]

nuns wit big tiddies didnt stop the argument T_T. how about some jc superstar?
[video=youtube;Vd_uXBW-3Vg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd_uXBW-3Vg[/video]

Yall arguing about the ideas of a book and shit, where the threads about how much bullshit harry potter was? Fuckin english kids flying around on brooms and shit. I mean, the fuck is that about?

 

[SeriouslyThug]

I can name atheist regimes that have killed millions, but not in the name of atheism. I do not believe atheists are inherently bad, or violent people. In fact, I believe quite the opposite. It is, as I've said, the iniquity of a man that drives him to commit evil, and not his theism. I believe people use God/religion as a tool to justify acts of war. This is not to say people have not been killed in the same of religion. However, I think it's important to distinguish between religion and theism. Someone saying "Allah told me to kill you all" is not killing in the name of theism (he does not kill because he believes in a God), rather he kills because of the specifics of his religion.

i would go a step further and conclude that his willingness to kill is something already within him and the religion is only the "content' he uses to justify it.


some people's emotional make up stays lacking, so no matter how awesome their lives are, they find some "content" that is lacking.
Even if you were to resolve all the lacking they can find in their external world, a new one will manifest. This happens because the emotional nature is compelled to behave in this way way before the "content" is there to justify and explain it away.

all im saying is, breed a murderer that feels compelled to murder on an emotional level, and he will kill in the name of allah, jesus, or science.

 

[Nuttkase]

Lets just murder everything.

 

[REACHTMO]

genocide gets shit done

 

[R]

FOOD FOR THOUGHT

Why do religious people take medicine when they feel sick?

Where was God when 9/11 happened?

Why do I see advertisements on TV asking me to donate £2 a month to feed starving children in Africa, why can't God give them £2 a month?

 

[InfamousICON]

[video=youtube;jdrBP-Rq-J0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdrBP-Rq-J0[/video]

 

[ThaG]

I'm still waiting for a religious person to show me one war or one violent act that was committed in the name of Atheism. Events where the Atheist had to defend themselves against religious nuts doesn't count as violence in the name of Atheism.

I can name atheist regimes that have killed millions, but not in the name of atheism. I do not believe atheists are inherently bad, or violent people. In fact, I believe quite the opposite. It is, as I've said, the iniquity of a man that drives him to commit evil, and not his theism. I believe people use God/religion as a tool to justify acts of war. This is not to say people have not been killed in the same of religion. However, I think it's important to distinguish between religion and theism. Someone saying "Allah told me to kill you all" is not killing in the name of theism (he does not kill because he believes in a God), rather he kills because of the specifics of his religion.

Debating who has brought more evil to the world is absolutely irrelevant to the question is there a God or not. That's an argument from consequences, which is pure logical bullshit, and I don't understand why atheists are so willing to fall for that trick and go into explaining how atheism is not the cause for all the horrors that the religious ascribe to it. Yes, it isn't but even if it was, it would not matter at all because that's not the question, the question is is there a God of the kind religions claim there is; what follows from the answer to that question has nothing to do with what the answer is. This should be pointed out every time someone tries to use the tired old BS about "Where are we going to get our morals from without religion?", "Atheism leads to bla-bla", etc. I don't care wher you're going to get your morals from, that does not mean you should be inventing fairy tales and believ in them. If there isn't a God, then there isn't a God, and that's the way the world is; grow up and learn to live with it