God Doesnt Exist Theory
- Thread starter Gordon Gekko
- Start date
*clapping for 206*ok round 2 you ready??first my mom or dad "was created by god" so wh
at if i disobey them they are not gonna save me from eternal fire....don't compare my mom to an invisible god!LOLOL another thing there was man before jesus right so how did they communicate with god?or was everyone going top heaven? as a matter of fact how did people tell eachother about god befor verbal communication? and there you go further proving me right i said if i told you i would lock you family up and torcher them forever if you did a sin you would not do it... this proves that you have a mind stong enough to not sin if you didn't want to so why not be an angel and never sin without the conseqences of tourcher to please your maker? stop making it seem as if you have no control what-so-ever on if you sin or not because you do have a choice you would just rather say to yourself ahh im only man god'll forgive me....i'll just go to church sunday...when people sin they are totally aware that they are sinning and they know god is everywhere so why sin?? for example a kid kiks his teacher in the chin at school for no reason take that same kid and put his dad 1 foot away from the kid with the kid knowing his dad is there do you think the kid will kick the teacher?? hell fuckin know and god is a lot more powerful then the kids dad so why do people sin knowing god is watching them? so they can say ah im only human ill go to church and fill the preachers pockets again and i'lll be alright..shit if god is real i could go shoot 10,000,000 people in the face and go to church and it'll be ok....the whole church thing is like the fuckin matrix..why can't people change overnight??if god apeared infront of me right now and was like belive in me i am real and i was not on no type of drugz to have me seeing shit i would change overnight...shit what the point of disobeying god?? fuk a human lust imma kiss god's ass all the way until i get to heaven because life on earth is temporary but hell is an eternity anyway what's the time in which a person must repent? what if they were faithful in church all day everyday but as human they are a sinner, so what if they were having premarital sex and a bullet struk him in the head out of nowhere? would he go to hell?? hmm i think since he knows that he is sinning and he is perfectly sane he should repent over and over while in the act LOLOL...to tell me human have no control over thier actions is to tell me the entire human population is insane and needs to be checked out.....and if a mother told her child a tree in a park was god why should the child go to hell the child is naturally following the footsteps os its mother...i forget which religoin it is that think all black people are the devil an dthey will stand by that stupid shit just as christains will stand by thier stupid shit who's to say who is right i can not prove there is no god but i can point out alotsa shit that does not make sense that make me seriously question the fact that there is a god..fuk faith in god when anything good happens god did" oh thats god workin" when anything bad happends "that the devils work"if that the case why do good thing happen for bad people all the time "CHUCH!!!!"
at if i disobey them they are not gonna save me from eternal fire....don't compare my mom to an invisible god!LOLOL another thing there was man before jesus right so how did they communicate with god?or was everyone going top heaven? as a matter of fact how did people tell eachother about god befor verbal communication? and there you go further proving me right i said if i told you i would lock you family up and torcher them forever if you did a sin you would not do it... this proves that you have a mind stong enough to not sin if you didn't want to so why not be an angel and never sin without the conseqences of tourcher to please your maker? stop making it seem as if you have no control what-so-ever on if you sin or not because you do have a choice you would just rather say to yourself ahh im only man god'll forgive me....i'll just go to church sunday...when people sin they are totally aware that they are sinning and they know god is everywhere so why sin?? for example a kid kiks his teacher in the chin at school for no reason take that same kid and put his dad 1 foot away from the kid with the kid knowing his dad is there do you think the kid will kick the teacher?? hell fuckin know and god is a lot more powerful then the kids dad so why do people sin knowing god is watching them? so they can say ah im only human ill go to church and fill the preachers pockets again and i'lll be alright..shit if god is real i could go shoot 10,000,000 people in the face and go to church and it'll be ok....the whole church thing is like the fuckin matrix..why can't people change overnight??if god apeared infront of me right now and was like belive in me i am real and i was not on no type of drugz to have me seeing shit i would change overnight...shit what the point of disobeying god?? fuk a human lust imma kiss god's ass all the way until i get to heaven because life on earth is temporary but hell is an eternity anyway what's the time in which a person must repent? what if they were faithful in church all day everyday but as human they are a sinner, so what if they were having premarital sex and a bullet struk him in the head out of nowhere? would he go to hell?? hmm i think since he knows that he is sinning and he is perfectly sane he should repent over and over while in the act LOLOL...to tell me human have no control over thier actions is to tell me the entire human population is insane and needs to be checked out.....and if a mother told her child a tree in a park was god why should the child go to hell the child is naturally following the footsteps os its mother...i forget which religoin it is that think all black people are the devil an dthey will stand by that stupid shit just as christains will stand by thier stupid shit who's to say who is right i can not prove there is no god but i can point out alotsa shit that does not make sense that make me seriously question the fact that there is a god..fuk faith in god when anything good happens god did" oh thats god workin" when anything bad happends "that the devils work"if that the case why do good thing happen for bad people all the time "CHUCH!!!!"
first off i never comparin your parents to an invisible God. i was simply making the point that just because you love something or someone doesnt mean your going to totally dedicate your life to them. second, i said that sins are from satan, but every man sins when he is drawn away to his own lusts, in other words, people sin because they choose too!! i already said this in my last post...you dont read as much as you type do you?. i only read the first couple sentences of your post and im gonna leave it at that, you type too much for me lol
MEXCOMMANDO IM NOT SENDING THIS IN FOR FINALS....AS LONG AS YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT GOD SAID "THOU SHALL NOT BITCH ABOUTH ONE'S TYPING"as far as that other guy if people really believed they would not sin. Jesus is a safe place that they only go to explain the unexplainable in the very back of most of their minds they don't believe that shit, like i said if god appeared in from of them and said i am real stop sinning they would stop period even i would.you say i type too much? wait till you read a whole book! LOLOL I'll give it a rest cuz i don't wanna fuk your lil faith up....anyway when you first attempted to answer my questions you missed a few LOL
I don’t believe in spirits and ghosts. I’ve never seen any evidence that supports thes claim.
The question about what brought me into this life is a much more complex question; there have been good threads about it in the past. here is one, if you’d like to read my replies and possibly bump the thread and ask questions there.
In other words; I dont believe in an Intelligent Creator. We've seen no evidence to support this, therefore, I lack this belief.
The question about what brought me into this life is a much more complex question; there have been good threads about it in the past. here is one, if you’d like to read my replies and possibly bump the thread and ask questions there.
In other words; I dont believe in an Intelligent Creator. We've seen no evidence to support this, therefore, I lack this belief.
yea, fucc my faith up lol... right.. im head strong patna and i cant be moved by some dude on the net lol get tha fucc outta here yungin.. oh yea, my attempt, was on point.. unanwsered questions were left unattended because tha time i choose to spend on you is limited.. ive read good books, if its something of value, and has substance ill give it a read..im not into bullshit though, one.
2-0-Sixx; There will always be a constant stream of "proof" as perceived by those who want to believe, but what it comes down to is the existance of matter, period. There must be a beginning, just as there will be an end. And the birth of matter is nothing short of intelligent design.
Ask yourself, what is at the root of all this madness?
The whole photon (or what have you) theory to me sounds like a doctor who diagnoses a patient even though he hasn't a clue what the problem is.
Ask yourself, what is at the root of all this madness?
The whole photon (or what have you) theory to me sounds like a doctor who diagnoses a patient even though he hasn't a clue what the problem is.
So the alternative is to believe in a supernatural being that decided to create us? Believe in something that supposedly exists outside of our natural existence and can only be completely unknown to the human mind?
Whether or not you believe the theory that I somewhat believe in, it is based on what we know- science, physics and mathematics. The belief in Intelligent Design, Creator or God is based on nothing other than people saying “there must be a beginning and an ending.” There is absolutely no evidence, no facts, no proof, no science and definitely no logic behind this way of thinking. You don’t know that space/time must have a begging and end…no one does.
It would be foolish for me to say “this is how our universe was created” or “I know my theory is correct” because we are still learning about our existence. But, just because we don’t have all the answers yet doesn’t mean we should jump to certain conclusions.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; Atheism is simply a lack of a belief in god. There is not enough evidence for me to believe in god. This way of thinking is put into all aspects of life; there is enough evidence that supports evolution as fact; there is enough evidence supporting the big bang theory; there is not any evidence unicorns are real; there is no evidence that says Jim Jones was the reincarnated Jesus etc. My point is- we shouldn’t believe in things without having proof or supporting evidence.
Whether or not you believe the theory that I somewhat believe in, it is based on what we know- science, physics and mathematics. The belief in Intelligent Design, Creator or God is based on nothing other than people saying “there must be a beginning and an ending.” There is absolutely no evidence, no facts, no proof, no science and definitely no logic behind this way of thinking. You don’t know that space/time must have a begging and end…no one does.
It would be foolish for me to say “this is how our universe was created” or “I know my theory is correct” because we are still learning about our existence. But, just because we don’t have all the answers yet doesn’t mean we should jump to certain conclusions.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; Atheism is simply a lack of a belief in god. There is not enough evidence for me to believe in god. This way of thinking is put into all aspects of life; there is enough evidence that supports evolution as fact; there is enough evidence supporting the big bang theory; there is not any evidence unicorns are real; there is no evidence that says Jim Jones was the reincarnated Jesus etc. My point is- we shouldn’t believe in things without having proof or supporting evidence.
Why not.. I find it less practical to believe that obscure matter spontaneously combusts from absolutely nothing.
Science (just like a theist) has a tendancy to rationalize what they can not explain. For example, natural selection is a scientific explanation of this worlds perfection and its flawless interchangeability. Unless my memory fails me, you have said in the past that you believe in natural selection. At the very least you have used it to support an arguement. My question is, with what evidence do you take in such a theory?
Science (just like a theist) has a tendancy to rationalize what they can not explain. For example, natural selection is a scientific explanation of this worlds perfection and its flawless interchangeability. Unless my memory fails me, you have said in the past that you believe in natural selection. At the very least you have used it to support an arguement. My question is, with what evidence do you take in such a theory?
Because Nitro…your believing in something that is unknowable to the human mind. It’s a belief in something that supposedly exists outside of our reality, i.e. the laws of physics, mathematics etc. Logically it doesn’t make any sense to believe in something that we have no knowledge about. It’s an assumption at best.
Again, neither I nor the majority of scientists have reached this conclusion.
You need to rephrase this sentence before I can agree. Change the word “Science” with “Some scientists.”
Natural selection is simply the theory that nature selects the best adapted varieties to survive and to reproduce. I’m sure you’ve heard of Darwin’s famous example of how he observed several closely related birds on some island. In short, he found that certain birds with certain kinds of beaks could more easily eat certain kinds of vegetation that was common on the island while other birds with longer beaks could more easily obtain nectar from flowers and therefore, they were able to servive or the mutations that occured survived. It’s all very simple and to me, should be obvious to everyone.
The difference between me believing in natural selection and you believing in god is that one of these beliefs is based on Scientific Method.
We can also observe natural selection in a sense. Take the human skull for example. Thanks to science, we can determine how old skeletons are. I’m sure you’ve seen a picture of skulls lined up from different time periods and clearly we can see a slow change in the shape of the skulls. This is natural selection; we can see how the brains are getting larger and the back of the skull is getting smaller (back controls more of the physical aspects of the body) and the front gets larger (the front controls more of the “thinking” skills)...it's benificial to mankind to have larger front skulls.
Also, I don’t think it’s correct to say natural selection is an explanation of the worlds “perfection.” When mutations occur it can be beneficial, harmful or even neutral. When a mutation occurs to DNA, it in many cases results in the offspring not surviving or reproducing, so the mutation dies out and goes nowhere. In this sense natural selection kind of “filters out” the bad mutations but there are examples of mutations that aren’t really beneficial that have survived.
Another point:
We can actually test and conduct scientific experiments on natural selection. HERE is a good link you should check out (you don’t need to read the entire page, just the first couple paragraphs).
Unfortunately for theists, there are absolutely no scientific experiments to conduct to test the existence of god.
Again, neither I nor the majority of scientists have reached this conclusion.
You need to rephrase this sentence before I can agree. Change the word “Science” with “Some scientists.”
Natural selection is simply the theory that nature selects the best adapted varieties to survive and to reproduce. I’m sure you’ve heard of Darwin’s famous example of how he observed several closely related birds on some island. In short, he found that certain birds with certain kinds of beaks could more easily eat certain kinds of vegetation that was common on the island while other birds with longer beaks could more easily obtain nectar from flowers and therefore, they were able to servive or the mutations that occured survived. It’s all very simple and to me, should be obvious to everyone.
The difference between me believing in natural selection and you believing in god is that one of these beliefs is based on Scientific Method.
We can also observe natural selection in a sense. Take the human skull for example. Thanks to science, we can determine how old skeletons are. I’m sure you’ve seen a picture of skulls lined up from different time periods and clearly we can see a slow change in the shape of the skulls. This is natural selection; we can see how the brains are getting larger and the back of the skull is getting smaller (back controls more of the physical aspects of the body) and the front gets larger (the front controls more of the “thinking” skills)...it's benificial to mankind to have larger front skulls.
Also, I don’t think it’s correct to say natural selection is an explanation of the worlds “perfection.” When mutations occur it can be beneficial, harmful or even neutral. When a mutation occurs to DNA, it in many cases results in the offspring not surviving or reproducing, so the mutation dies out and goes nowhere. In this sense natural selection kind of “filters out” the bad mutations but there are examples of mutations that aren’t really beneficial that have survived.
Another point:
We can actually test and conduct scientific experiments on natural selection. HERE is a good link you should check out (you don’t need to read the entire page, just the first couple paragraphs).
Unfortunately for theists, there are absolutely no scientific experiments to conduct to test the existence of god.
Before I respond to anything can you help me understand a few things?
What credibility does a "scientific method" hold if it is a process created by "scientists" to prove their own findings? In other words, if >I< create the "GURU METHOD" and I test my evidence of a higher power, and it passes the "GURU METHOD" then what does that mean to you?
If >I< havent authorized the use of the "Scientific Method" why the hell should I believe anything that passes through it? Is it because of the general notion that scientists are extremely smart, more so than ourselves, that we must believe them? Is it because the method sounds really complex?
As for Natural Selection, maybe I understood it wrong. I thought Natural Selection went hand in hand with Evolution - the process in which living organisms go through changes in order to adapt to their surroundings, making it possible for them to survive. For instance, the woodpecker. Now do they land on trees and peg holes through them because they have long beaks and tough tail feathers -OR- did they grow tough tail feathers and long beaks so they could land on trees and plug holes through them?
PS: This is my way of learning, not proving you wrong. So don't get defensive.
What credibility does a "scientific method" hold if it is a process created by "scientists" to prove their own findings? In other words, if >I< create the "GURU METHOD" and I test my evidence of a higher power, and it passes the "GURU METHOD" then what does that mean to you?
If >I< havent authorized the use of the "Scientific Method" why the hell should I believe anything that passes through it? Is it because of the general notion that scientists are extremely smart, more so than ourselves, that we must believe them? Is it because the method sounds really complex?
As for Natural Selection, maybe I understood it wrong. I thought Natural Selection went hand in hand with Evolution - the process in which living organisms go through changes in order to adapt to their surroundings, making it possible for them to survive. For instance, the woodpecker. Now do they land on trees and peg holes through them because they have long beaks and tough tail feathers -OR- did they grow tough tail feathers and long beaks so they could land on trees and plug holes through them?
PS: This is my way of learning, not proving you wrong. So don't get defensive.
Scientific method:
Scientific method is a set of strict guidelines or rules one must follow to determine if something is true or false. Because scientific method is available to all of us, anyone can use the scientific method to determine if something is true or not. It’s not like a group of scientists came along and said “let’s come up with something that only we can use and back up our crazy theories!”
You must be familiar with some basic mathematic formulas, correct? That is like scientific theory in a way. We know that E=MC2, it will never change, agreed? That is to say, 2+2 will always equal 4; there is never an instance that it will equal 5 or 28. What we observe to never change becomes a “law.” The same applies in physics or in science. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laws_in_science.
An example is the laws of gravity. At one point in time, the idea of gravity had to go through the scientific method before becoming considered as fact or a law. You know that every time you drop a pencil it will fall, in the current environment you’re in. It will never change, under the same circumstances.
W/O scientific theory we would have no basis of determining fact from fiction.
If you invent the GURU METHOD as a method to test the existence of God, you would need to release this method to the public in order for anyone to take you seriously. That is to say we all would need to be able to use this method to conduct our own tests to make sure you are not lying or to verify that you didn’t make any errors. If you say, “I discovered God by using the GURU METHOD, but I’m not going to tell you what the GURU METHOD is” no one will listen to you.
Because you can use the Scientific method for any fact or idea or theory and test it yourself. There is never an instance when the laws of gravity have failed; there is never an instance where the laws of evolution have failed.
I haven’t been defensive; I actually think this is a pretty decent conversation so far.
The scientific method or process is considered fundamental to the scientific investigation and acquisition of new knowledge based upon physical evidence. Scientists propose new assertions about our world in the form of theories: observations, hypotheses, and deductions. Predictions from these theories are tested by experiment. If a prediction turns out to be correct, the theory survives. Any theory which is cogent enough to make predictions can then be tested reproducibly in this way. The method is commonly taken as the underlying logic of scientific practice. The scientific method is essentially an extremely cautious means of building a supportable, evidenced understanding of our world. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method)
Scientific method is a set of strict guidelines or rules one must follow to determine if something is true or false. Because scientific method is available to all of us, anyone can use the scientific method to determine if something is true or not. It’s not like a group of scientists came along and said “let’s come up with something that only we can use and back up our crazy theories!”
You must be familiar with some basic mathematic formulas, correct? That is like scientific theory in a way. We know that E=MC2, it will never change, agreed? That is to say, 2+2 will always equal 4; there is never an instance that it will equal 5 or 28. What we observe to never change becomes a “law.” The same applies in physics or in science. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laws_in_science.
An example is the laws of gravity. At one point in time, the idea of gravity had to go through the scientific method before becoming considered as fact or a law. You know that every time you drop a pencil it will fall, in the current environment you’re in. It will never change, under the same circumstances.
W/O scientific theory we would have no basis of determining fact from fiction.
If you invent the GURU METHOD as a method to test the existence of God, you would need to release this method to the public in order for anyone to take you seriously. That is to say we all would need to be able to use this method to conduct our own tests to make sure you are not lying or to verify that you didn’t make any errors. If you say, “I discovered God by using the GURU METHOD, but I’m not going to tell you what the GURU METHOD is” no one will listen to you.
Because you can use the Scientific method for any fact or idea or theory and test it yourself. There is never an instance when the laws of gravity have failed; there is never an instance where the laws of evolution have failed.
I haven’t been defensive; I actually think this is a pretty decent conversation so far.