Gay Bishop

Ender · Aug 5, 2003

I don't give a damn if he follows the beliefs. But it is wrong to put him in a position of authority.

If they stripped people of their position for misconduct, as in the molestations, why should this man be rewarded?

That type of backwardass shit is why are kids are so confused. The Bible has specific rules. Life has specific rules. Follow them as best you can, don't change them to excuse your shortcomings.

I believe the church should split.

Seperate the goats from the lambs.

I don't believe they should "change faiths", there is only one faith, and that is the faith in the one true God. Whatever you may call Him.

If you ain't doing good, your fuckin up. If your making excuses for your fuckups, so they don't look like fuckups, your fuckin up the kids who turn to you for guidance. And if your fuckin up the kids, you need to raise the fuck up, or get beat the fuck down.

Birds of a feather flock together. Speak your mind freely and reveal your friends and your enemies.

Any man who wouldn't die for what he believes in, believes in nothing.

They are making mockeries of the church, and the churches lack of faith and level of corruption are making it childsplay.

"...Why is it everything that I can't break/ Is everything that I can't change/..." -J.C.Situation

2-0-Sixx · Aug 5, 2003

@Miggidy,

No, its not our choice. It is mans natural instinct to lust. We cannot control our sexual thoughts of woman. We do however have the choice not to sleep with someone or attempt to sleep with someone.

Drugs is not a good example...Well, it only can be to one who has already been addicted to drugs. Like an alcoholic will crave for alcohol his entire life.
Sex is completely different. It is instinct. It cannot be controlled.

See above.

I see what your saying but your missing my point. Sure, maybe Jesus has raised this bar. But This "bar" is unrealistic and can never be acheived. If a man tries his hardest, puts everything he has into reaching these goals, he will ALWAYS fall short. He will ALWAYS be a sinner.
To use your racing analogy; If a coach is teaching his student to win a race. And he KNOWS his student put everything he had into this race, and still failed, he would not make him feel guilty for losing.
With this belief in Jesus, you will always lose the race.

I'm not talking about actions, I'm talking about thoughts.

EXACTLY WHY I OPPOSE CHRISTIANITY.

Maybe so, but it still makes a man live in guilt. In a way, Christianity is the thing that is Selfish. A lot of christians only do certain things, because they believe they will be rewarded in the end.

Sounds like communism.

I agree.

PLEASE explain this comment.

I see very little or NO difference in Islam and christianity.

Only if you want to go to heaven and not burn in hell.

Some of my neighbors. But some arent.

2-0-Sixx · Aug 5, 2003

I don’t understand how some Christians are against GAYS because the BIBLE says they are "bad" or whatever, and at the same time, these people DO NOT believe in ADAM and EVE or NOAH'S ARCH or some part in the bible.

How can you people pick and choose parts to believe in?

There is no way you can believe the entire bible.

If you do, you either are contradicting yourself or you are 100% irrational and might as well throw science and logic out the window.

miggidy · Aug 6, 2003

2-0-Sixx said:

Have you ever been in love with a girl? When a man is truly in love with his girlfriend/wife, he doesn't lust for other women.
Yeah there's some that do it, but it's split.
I know that when I was in love with my ex, cheating on her never crossed my mind. Yeah, you can recognize the beauty in other women but that doesn't mean it automaticcally make me wanna bone her. It's only when you think about the idea that it becomes lust. It is natural to lust for a woman, but it isn't natural to pop a boner just by looking at one.

2-0-Sixx said:

You have to understand what Heaven is about. Well actually most people who read the bible don't fully understand it either.
Heaven is supposed to be sucka free. Life is a filtering process for the after life. The bar has to be set high in order to filter out those who are not fit for heaven. It's all in your heart in the end, it's what's inside that counts and not what you do.
Heaven is a peaceful place and there's no room for people with soiled hearts. It is in this process that even those who are not able to finish the race can still win in the end.
A perfect example of this is Jesus's crucifixion. He was crucified along with two other thieves/thugs. Remember that Jesus promised the one who recognised him as the Messiah, eternal life.
Not once in the bible did Jesus promise salvation to anyone (not that he wouldn't). Anyway there is a reason for this, the message is that anyone can be saved. Even those who we look at as the lowest scum in Earth.

2-0-Sixx said:

That's exactly my point. People are like water, they always take the path of least resistence. Hence, the Asian religions....

2-0-Sixx said:

Remember guilt is an "after" effect.

Those Christians who are only in it for it's rewards are playing with fire. Those are the words of Jesus himself.

2-0-Sixx said:

Ha ha! Yeah but with free will.

2-0-Sixx said:

Sure, Mohammed didn't put a lot of empasis on repentance and forgiveness. On the other hand, he made it very clear that you must strike at your neighbor if he poses a threat. Compare that to what Jesus said about loving your enemies. That's a high bar compared to Mohammed's low bar. Men being selfish as they are will stretch, spin, and twist shit around to fit their wicked ways.
So it's much easier to spin the stuff that Mohammed wrote, and that's why you have these extremists doing the things they do.

2-0-Sixx said:

Yes but it's your choice.

miggidy · Aug 6, 2003

2-0-Sixx said:

Hypocrits! People do it all the freakin time.
Pick and choose. You either believe the whole thing or you don't.
Like I said above, people will always take the path of least resistence. Just like electricity....

2-0-Sixx said:

I believe the entire bible 100%
Especially the Word of Jesus, in the New Testament....
That's what I follow, I don't know how I contradict myself by doing so.

Yehuda · Aug 6, 2003

Droopy Eye said:

Lev 25:17
Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear thy God:for I am the LORD your God.

Dt.6:2
That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments.

Dt.6:13, 10:20
Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God.

Dt.6:24
And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God.

Dt.10:12
And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God.

Dt.31:12
Gather the people together, men and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God.

Dt.31:13
And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God.

Jos.4:24
That all the people of the earth might know the hand of the LORD, that it is mighty: that ye might fear the LORD your God for ever.

1 Sam.12:14
If ye will fear the LORD, and serve him, and obey his voice, and not rebel against the commandment of the LORD, then shall both ye and also the king that reigneth over you continue following the LORD your God:

2 Kg.17:39
But the LORD your God ye shall fear; and he shall deliver you out of the hand of all your enemies.

Ps.33:8
Let all the earth fear the LORD.

Ps.96:4
"For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.

Ps.115:13
He will bless them that fear the LORD.

Ps.128:1
Blessed is every one that feareth the LORD.

Ps.147:11
The LORD taketh pleasure in them that fear him.

Pr.24:21
My son, fear thou the LORD

Ec.12:13
Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Jer.5:22
Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence?

Mt.10:28, Lk.12:5
Fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Lk.1:50
And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.

2 Cor.7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Eph.5:21
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Heb.10:31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

1 Pet.2:17
Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God.

Rev.14:7
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come:

ON THE OTHER HAND THOUGH :

2 Tim.1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

1 Jn.4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

SHOULD WE FEAR GOD, OR NOT?

Miggidy, I know you can spit some wisdom on the subject.

The last two verses talk about fearing men, death, worldly things etc. We are to fear G-d to make us humbled.

Yehuda · Aug 6, 2003

Leviticus 20
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

But most churches, christians, etc. like to pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow, they are hypocrites. REAL men and women of G-d wouldnt support that fag bishop.

28g w/o the bag · Aug 6, 2003

lol @ the homo

Yehuda · Aug 6, 2003

Yehuda said:

The last two verses talk about not fearing things such as men, death, worldly things etc. The only person we are to fear is G-d, and that is to make us humbled.

Yehuda · Aug 6, 2003

also, about the lusting after women and commiting adultury without touching her. If you have the Real Holy Spirit dwelling in you, then it will give you the power to stop sinning and looking at women in that manner. And if you do end up looking at a woman in that manner, then you must repent and ask forgiveness and be cleansed with the Blood of Jesus, and then you can forget that sin, it is in the past. But it is hard I must tell you, most women are whores and dress that way.

miggidy · Aug 6, 2003

^^^^
Yeah, the Spirit will guide you through any obstacle.
But only the pure have taken the Spirit.
And there hasn't been that many through out history....

Yehuda · Aug 6, 2003

Amen The Spirit will help you overcome all sins! The Spirit will dwell in you if you ask forgiveness from your sins, and be cleansed by the Blood of Yeshua. But, there are counterfeit holy spirits which most christians have today.

miggidy · Aug 6, 2003

^^^^
I don't think these cats have the slightest clue as to what the Spirit is.

2-0-Sixx · Aug 6, 2003

miggidy said:

Then tell us what exactly this "spirit" is.

HERESY · Aug 6, 2003

ROFL@YEHUDA!

is the priest/bishop a catholic? what church does he belong to?

read this link (ATHIEST AND THEIST):

http://www.tyndale.cam.ac.uk/Scriptures/www.innvista.com/scriptures/compare/bishops.htm

DIRECT VIOLATION.

:h:

miggidy · Aug 6, 2003

2-0-Sixx said:

It's the Spirit of God whom Jesus's apostles took after he went up to Heaven. The Spirit gave them certain abilities that defied nature. In other words, it allowed them to perform miracles.
There's 2 types of baptismals, one to cleanse yourself from sin and the other is to take the Holy Spirit.
How ever this Spirit will not enter anyone who has a soiled heart.
That's why there's been so few people that have actually recieved it.

miggidy · Aug 6, 2003

@ Heresy,
The Bishop is from the Apiscopal church, which is a denomination under the Protestant church.

Ender · Aug 10, 2003

@Miggidy

I never heard of the two types of baptismals before. Can you drop some knowledge on me about this?

Is that the "he will baptize you with water, but Jesus will baptize you with fire" thing?

And do you know of anybody that's still alive that's been baptized with the fire? Is it a long process depending on the person?

miggidy · Aug 10, 2003

The first baptismal was the baptismal that John the baptist did pryor to Jesus's arrival. He baptised people in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
It's purpose was to cleanse the sins of man because Jesus was on his way.

The second baptismal is the baptismal in the name of Jesus. It's purpose is to recieve the Holy Spirit

SlickSickSix · Aug 12, 2003

I don't see why people are saying "the church has been corrupted enough" and shit like that. This bishop is of the Episcopalian church... All of the media-covered corruption has been of the Roman Catholic Church and their ordained clergymen. Either way, it's fucking weak to knowingly allow a gay man to preach a religion that explicitly and repeatedly states that men and women were designed for the opposite sex. Taking this into account. Now I'm not saying that you should go to the so-called "hell" for being gay, but you definitely shouldn't be able to be a priest. I mean shit... if a "normal" priest can't keep his hands off boys, how is a gay one gonna do it? (Don't get me wrong, I know the majority of priests aren't diddlers.)

I apologize if the intended objective parts of this post are inaccurate, but it's mostly subjective, and opinions are never inaccurate. Also if any parts of this post were incoherent, I'm running on no sleep. Again, my apologies if I'm wrong on any of this shit or if you don't understand what I'm saying.

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