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Sorry, but bullshit! Many christians do live in guilt.
Example.
Jesus teaches that any man who even thinks of laying a fingar on another woman has already commited aldutary.(sp)
It is mans NATURAL INSTINCT to think of mating with woman. If a man, married or single, sees a beautiful woman, audomatically he may think of a sexual thought. Now according to Jesus, this man has just sinned.
By understanding Humans and the human race you will find it impossible for man to get rid of these thoughts.
That example right there proves that YES, Christianity forces man to live in guilt.
Example.
Jesus teaches that any man who even thinks of laying a fingar on another woman has already commited aldutary.(sp)
It is mans NATURAL INSTINCT to think of mating with woman. If a man, married or single, sees a beautiful woman, audomatically he may think of a sexual thought. Now according to Jesus, this man has just sinned.
By understanding Humans and the human race you will find it impossible for man to get rid of these thoughts.
That example right there proves that YES, Christianity forces man to live in guilt.
No that's bullshit!
Jesus teaches that if you lust for another woman then you have already committed adultary.
So those who do lust for any other woman other than their wives, deserve to feel guilty.
And same for a woman, do you think I want my wife lusting for any other guy?
Now is it impossible for a man to live without lusting for another woman other than his wife?
No. It's very difficult I will admit that.
To the point where it's almost impossible. But hey, know one's forcing anyone to lust for anyone else in the first place. Remember the free will thing we talked about in the past?
You play with fire, then you'll get burned....
Same deal here....
But hey, there's no sin God won't forgive.
And in the end, that what counts.
This might seem hard for you to understand, why live with all this pressure? You're coming from a lifestyle that's very selfish, from a very "manly" way of living. You are used to having luxury of doing what ever you want. It's very hard for a person like you to swallow this pill.
I totally understand cuz I'm human.
But this is the way it goes man....
This is the way it's gotta be. You have to be very strict....
Jesus teaches that if you lust for another woman then you have already committed adultary.
So those who do lust for any other woman other than their wives, deserve to feel guilty.
And same for a woman, do you think I want my wife lusting for any other guy?
Now is it impossible for a man to live without lusting for another woman other than his wife?
No. It's very difficult I will admit that.
To the point where it's almost impossible. But hey, know one's forcing anyone to lust for anyone else in the first place. Remember the free will thing we talked about in the past?
You play with fire, then you'll get burned....
Same deal here....
But hey, there's no sin God won't forgive.
And in the end, that what counts.
This might seem hard for you to understand, why live with all this pressure? You're coming from a lifestyle that's very selfish, from a very "manly" way of living. You are used to having luxury of doing what ever you want. It's very hard for a person like you to swallow this pill.
I totally understand cuz I'm human.
But this is the way it goes man....
This is the way it's gotta be. You have to be very strict....
I was talking about christians who ignore certain parts, and blows certain things out of proportions.
Q1: Can people who masturbate be priests?
Q2: Can people who eat things with blood in them become priests?
Q3: Can people who doesn't kill their children when they curse at their parents become priests?
Q4: Can someone become a priest if they didn't marry a virgin?
Q5: Is it okay for handicapped people to approach the altar of God?
If you have answered yes to any of these questions you are just as bad in the eyes of God as people who doesn't mind gay priests in church. Str8 from tha Bibl3.
(and yes I know about the : it is in the old testament therefore it doesn't matter anymore defence, but so is most of the gay-bashing)
Lev 25:17
Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear thy God:for I am the LORD your God.
Dt.6:2
That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments.
Dt.6:13, 10:20
Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God.
Dt.6:24
And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God.
Dt.10:12
And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God.
Dt.31:12
Gather the people together, men and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God.
Dt.31:13
And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God.
Jos.4:24
That all the people of the earth might know the hand of the LORD, that it is mighty: that ye might fear the LORD your God for ever.
1 Sam.12:14
If ye will fear the LORD, and serve him, and obey his voice, and not rebel against the commandment of the LORD, then shall both ye and also the king that reigneth over you continue following the LORD your God:
2 Kg.17:39
But the LORD your God ye shall fear; and he shall deliver you out of the hand of all your enemies.
Ps.33:8
Let all the earth fear the LORD.
Ps.96:4
"For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
Ps.115:13
He will bless them that fear the LORD.
Ps.128:1
Blessed is every one that feareth the LORD.
Ps.147:11
The LORD taketh pleasure in them that fear him.
Pr.24:21
My son, fear thou the LORD
Ec.12:13
Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Jer.5:22
Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence?
Mt.10:28, Lk.12:5
Fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Lk.1:50
And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
2 Cor.7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Eph.5:21
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Heb.10:31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
1 Pet.2:17
Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God.
Rev.14:7
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come:
ON THE OTHER HAND THOUGH :
2 Tim.1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
1 Jn.4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
SHOULD WE FEAR GOD, OR NOT?
Miggidy, I know you can spit some wisdom on the subject.
Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear thy God:for I am the LORD your God.
Dt.6:2
That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments.
Dt.6:13, 10:20
Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God.
Dt.6:24
And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God.
Dt.10:12
And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God.
Dt.31:12
Gather the people together, men and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God.
Dt.31:13
And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God.
Jos.4:24
That all the people of the earth might know the hand of the LORD, that it is mighty: that ye might fear the LORD your God for ever.
1 Sam.12:14
If ye will fear the LORD, and serve him, and obey his voice, and not rebel against the commandment of the LORD, then shall both ye and also the king that reigneth over you continue following the LORD your God:
2 Kg.17:39
But the LORD your God ye shall fear; and he shall deliver you out of the hand of all your enemies.
Ps.33:8
Let all the earth fear the LORD.
Ps.96:4
"For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
Ps.115:13
He will bless them that fear the LORD.
Ps.128:1
Blessed is every one that feareth the LORD.
Ps.147:11
The LORD taketh pleasure in them that fear him.
Pr.24:21
My son, fear thou the LORD
Ec.12:13
Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Jer.5:22
Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence?
Mt.10:28, Lk.12:5
Fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Lk.1:50
And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
2 Cor.7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Eph.5:21
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Heb.10:31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
1 Pet.2:17
Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God.
Rev.14:7
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come:
ON THE OTHER HAND THOUGH :
2 Tim.1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
1 Jn.4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
SHOULD WE FEAR GOD, OR NOT?
Miggidy, I know you can spit some wisdom on the subject.
First off, hope you didn’t take the “bullshit” offensive…you know we’re homies.
Right. Remember he said if you “think.”
Agreed.
What do you mean no one is forcing? We are humans, its not an option...Its something we do. Like breathing air.
What do you mean?
Maybe so, but it still teaches man that he has sinned. A Christian doesn’t want to sin. They want to be the best they can be, therefore, feeling guilty.
This statement is insulting. Why do you say I’m selfish? I consider myself very UNSELFISH. I constantly put others before me. What’s "manly" about that?
I do not have the luxury of doing anything I want. You see, just like your religion, this country has forced upon us a set way of life, I life I did not choose nor do I want to live. I have no luxury besides what I can buy, to a certain extent, and what job I chose to have, again to a certain extent.
Why? Is that what the book says?
I am very strict. Im strict on what I eat, I try to excersize regulary, Im strict on who I date, etc. I do not need a religion to be strict. Its a state of mind. Has nothing to do with religion.
Right. Remember he said if you “think.”
Agreed.
What do you mean no one is forcing? We are humans, its not an option...Its something we do. Like breathing air.
What do you mean?
Maybe so, but it still teaches man that he has sinned. A Christian doesn’t want to sin. They want to be the best they can be, therefore, feeling guilty.
This statement is insulting. Why do you say I’m selfish? I consider myself very UNSELFISH. I constantly put others before me. What’s "manly" about that?
I do not have the luxury of doing anything I want. You see, just like your religion, this country has forced upon us a set way of life, I life I did not choose nor do I want to live. I have no luxury besides what I can buy, to a certain extent, and what job I chose to have, again to a certain extent.
Why? Is that what the book says?
I am very strict. Im strict on what I eat, I try to excersize regulary, Im strict on who I date, etc. I do not need a religion to be strict. Its a state of mind. Has nothing to do with religion.
Never man, I was just adding some amphasis to my words.
Only civilized people can express their differences and live in peace together at the same time.
Yeah, if you even think about sleeping with another woman, you have already sinned.
What I meant is that we have free will. We have the intelligence to stay true to our loved ones. It is our choice whether we lust for another person or not. So when I lust for another woman, it is my decision. You can call it a guilty pleasure, you know drugs aren't good for you but you still take them because they are hard to resist.
Hmmm... Bad example on my part. I was only trying to make the point that if you lust, then you deserve to feel the guilt.
I personally know a few people who don't lust after other women.
But they stumble on other shit, like "we should go get Iraq!" type of shit.
You do understand why it teaches that right?
You gotta set the bar as high as you can. Lets say you're going to keep to compete in this 5 mile race. How would you prepare for it to make sure you win? Would you excersise by running 2 miles or 5 miles? What would you do? Run the 5 or 2 while training for the big race? Either one of the two answers is wrong. You would run at least an extra mile, 6 or 7. Just to make sure that you are able to finish 5 miles with out any problems.
Well this is what Jesus has done, he's raised the bar. The Old Testiment says that you should not sleep with your heighbor's wife. People said ok I can do that, but they still lust for their neighbor's wife. Probably even sneek a peek on her window and masturbate while she's in the shower LOL! Who knows....
Jesys saw that man was still dirty in his heart so he decided to make it tougher on you. Cuz a lot of cats were still going after their neighbor's wife because they couldn't control their lust.
So Jesus was trying to suppress lust because it leads to many negative things, and cheating is the least. Lust is the reason why men rape woman, lust is behind some homosexuality, and lust is certainly behind pedaphilia.
Come on, I thought we was homeboys LOL!
Of coarse the statement is insulting, most people do not even know that they are selfish. Selfishness is part of our nature.
The thing about Christianity and why it's hard for people to grasp it is that it goes totally against our nature.
It tells us not to worry about ourselves but of our neighbors. Shit, even our enemies.
But why? For the same reason Jesus raised the bar on adultary.
You see according to the bible's perspective, we cannot live in a perfect society without helping the next man. A society where people only look out after themselves will not work.
Look at our country today, we have homeless people every where? Why? because the average American gives a shit about them. The bar is set real high to avoid these problems.
You cannot leave the bar low because people will jump it.
Look at what the Islamic extremists are doing?
They're taking advantage of a low bar....
You have free will.
And the bible doesn't force you to do anything.
It's up to you to accept it or not.
You cannot force anyone to love you, true love exists when that person opens up to you.
No man, for the same reason I stated above.
You cannot go easy on your kids cuz they'll take advantage of it.
But wait! If you're too strict then the kids will rebell against you!
True! But that's where Jesus comes into the picture. The bible says, accept his sacrifice and you will be saved.
That is the backbone of Christianity, and it's sad most so-called Christians do not understand that....
I bet you are, but what about your neighbor?
Only civilized people can express their differences and live in peace together at the same time.
Yeah, if you even think about sleeping with another woman, you have already sinned.
What I meant is that we have free will. We have the intelligence to stay true to our loved ones. It is our choice whether we lust for another person or not. So when I lust for another woman, it is my decision. You can call it a guilty pleasure, you know drugs aren't good for you but you still take them because they are hard to resist.
Hmmm... Bad example on my part. I was only trying to make the point that if you lust, then you deserve to feel the guilt.
I personally know a few people who don't lust after other women.
But they stumble on other shit, like "we should go get Iraq!" type of shit.
You do understand why it teaches that right?
You gotta set the bar as high as you can. Lets say you're going to keep to compete in this 5 mile race. How would you prepare for it to make sure you win? Would you excersise by running 2 miles or 5 miles? What would you do? Run the 5 or 2 while training for the big race? Either one of the two answers is wrong. You would run at least an extra mile, 6 or 7. Just to make sure that you are able to finish 5 miles with out any problems.
Well this is what Jesus has done, he's raised the bar. The Old Testiment says that you should not sleep with your heighbor's wife. People said ok I can do that, but they still lust for their neighbor's wife. Probably even sneek a peek on her window and masturbate while she's in the shower LOL! Who knows....
Jesys saw that man was still dirty in his heart so he decided to make it tougher on you. Cuz a lot of cats were still going after their neighbor's wife because they couldn't control their lust.
So Jesus was trying to suppress lust because it leads to many negative things, and cheating is the least. Lust is the reason why men rape woman, lust is behind some homosexuality, and lust is certainly behind pedaphilia.
Come on, I thought we was homeboys LOL!
Of coarse the statement is insulting, most people do not even know that they are selfish. Selfishness is part of our nature.
The thing about Christianity and why it's hard for people to grasp it is that it goes totally against our nature.
It tells us not to worry about ourselves but of our neighbors. Shit, even our enemies.
But why? For the same reason Jesus raised the bar on adultary.
You see according to the bible's perspective, we cannot live in a perfect society without helping the next man. A society where people only look out after themselves will not work.
Look at our country today, we have homeless people every where? Why? because the average American gives a shit about them. The bar is set real high to avoid these problems.
You cannot leave the bar low because people will jump it.
Look at what the Islamic extremists are doing?
They're taking advantage of a low bar....
You have free will.
And the bible doesn't force you to do anything.
It's up to you to accept it or not.
You cannot force anyone to love you, true love exists when that person opens up to you.
No man, for the same reason I stated above.
You cannot go easy on your kids cuz they'll take advantage of it.
But wait! If you're too strict then the kids will rebell against you!
True! But that's where Jesus comes into the picture. The bible says, accept his sacrifice and you will be saved.
That is the backbone of Christianity, and it's sad most so-called Christians do not understand that....
I bet you are, but what about your neighbor?