Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto, May 5th [MGM Las Vegas]
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Floyd's manager, leonard ellerbe:
"He needs to shut the fuck up and mind his own business, stay in his own lane and keep on taking advantage of the UFC fighters, while underpaying them. If he keeps on running his mouth, we may decide to give a free seminar to all of the UFC fighters on how the pay-per-view revenue should be distributed. This is typical Dana, who is always prone to ignorant outbursts. He should be the last person to try to judge someone else."
"He needs to shut the fuck up and mind his own business, stay in his own lane and keep on taking advantage of the UFC fighters, while underpaying them. If he keeps on running his mouth, we may decide to give a free seminar to all of the UFC fighters on how the pay-per-view revenue should be distributed. This is typical Dana, who is always prone to ignorant outbursts. He should be the last person to try to judge someone else."
Pretty ignorant statement by Ellerbee, and the reason why boxing isn't growing the way the UFC is.
Sure, boxing megastars walk away with the lion's share of the pot when these mega events happen. What does that do for the future of the sport?
Nothing.
Sure, the UFC doesn't pay their fighters as much as top level boxers, but look at the difference in the product:
In boxing, if you get a decent undercard, you're stoked. UFC cards are constantly stacked with good fights, and in addition they're putting their best fighters on network television for FREE.
When's the last time you saw a top tier boxer on free TV?
Boxing movers & shakers only think about the HERE & NOW, and have no interest in the future of the sport, just the money that's coming in NOW.
K
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, how is Ellebre's statement ignorant?
http://www.thesportsbank.net/mma/how-underpaid-are-ufc-fighters-boxers-getting-a-better-deal/
This has led Nick Diaz, who’s signed with Strikeforce, to say he wants to enter boxing to make some real money.
He’s hoping to take on former IBF and IBO super middleweight champion Jeff Lacy (25-4, 17 Kos), who’s now 33 years old and has lost three of his last four fights.
But UFC boss Dana White doesn’t think it’s a good idea. He admits that Diaz has a clause in his contract which states he’s allowed to box and that deal should be honored. But he doesn’t think it’s in Diaz’s best interests to do so and he’s going to try and talk the MMA fighter out of it. It could be that White doesn’t want one of his fighters being embarrassed in a boxing ring, because there’s not really any other reason for him to not want to take on Lacy.
However, Diaz, who recently defended his welterweight crown for the third time, isn’t necessarily taking the fight to prove he can box. He said he’s overworked, underpaid, and unappreciated by Strikeforce, which is owned by the UFC.
You can’t blame Diaz for wanting to jump ship, at least temporarily, because MMA fighters are and have been grossly underpaid for years. When you look at the numbers, mixed martial artists are simply getting ripped off by somebody. Brock Lesnar, the former UFC heavyweight king, took home $5.3 million in 2010, which was tops in the organization despite sky-high ticket prices and millions of pay-per-views sold.
Compare that to boxer Manny Pacquiao, who raked in $32 million and only had to fight twice to earn it. Boxing has long been associated with shady characters and the underworld, but compared to mixed martial arts, the elite boxers are making a hell of a living.
This is hard to understand since White would have you believe the UFC is a lot more popular than boxing and the pay-per-view numbers and live gates would support him. So just where is all of the money going? It’s definitely not going to the fighters who put their lives on the line every time they step into the octagon.
UFC fighters are getting a bigger piece of the pie these days, but it’s not enough. Kobe Bryant made $24.8 million last year in the NBA and Alex Rodriguez took home $32 million in MLB. MMA fighters are getting kicked in the face literally and figuratively when you consider what they’re getting paid.
For example, UFC 126, which was held in Las Vegas on Feb 5, drew a live gate of $3.6 million. It would have been higher, but more than 10 percent of tickets were given away. The average price for a ticket was $373.00, ranging from $75 to $750. The base salary of all the fighters combined was just over $1.3 million, with the top salary being $275,000 and the lowest being just $6,000. Out of those salaries, insurance, taxes, and licenses etc. had to be deducted.
This means the fighters were paid by just 36 percent of the live gate, leaving 64% profit. However, we haven’t added in the money made from broadcasting the preliminary bouts on Spike TV and the pay per view totals. It was estimated that 750,000 pay-per-views were sold at about $50 a shot for $37.5 million. Therefore, the total gate was about $40 million, with the fighters receiving $1.3 million, which translates to just over 3%.
Ironically it was a boxer, James Toney, who was paid the most at UFC 118. Toney embarrassed himself in the octagon and was paid $500,000 for lasting just 199 seconds against Randy Couture, who was paid $250,000. It was Toney’s first and last fight in the UFC. The headliner that night, lightweight champ Frankie Edgar, earned $96,000.
The UFC does have some overhead like everyone else and gives out bonuses at its card for things such as KO of the night and fight of the night. But when you see how little these guys are getting paid by Dana White’s organization, you can’t be blamed for thinking maybe Don King’s not such a bad guy after all.
http://www.thesportsbank.net/mma/how-underpaid-are-ufc-fighters-boxers-getting-a-better-deal/
This has led Nick Diaz, who’s signed with Strikeforce, to say he wants to enter boxing to make some real money.
He’s hoping to take on former IBF and IBO super middleweight champion Jeff Lacy (25-4, 17 Kos), who’s now 33 years old and has lost three of his last four fights.
But UFC boss Dana White doesn’t think it’s a good idea. He admits that Diaz has a clause in his contract which states he’s allowed to box and that deal should be honored. But he doesn’t think it’s in Diaz’s best interests to do so and he’s going to try and talk the MMA fighter out of it. It could be that White doesn’t want one of his fighters being embarrassed in a boxing ring, because there’s not really any other reason for him to not want to take on Lacy.
However, Diaz, who recently defended his welterweight crown for the third time, isn’t necessarily taking the fight to prove he can box. He said he’s overworked, underpaid, and unappreciated by Strikeforce, which is owned by the UFC.
You can’t blame Diaz for wanting to jump ship, at least temporarily, because MMA fighters are and have been grossly underpaid for years. When you look at the numbers, mixed martial artists are simply getting ripped off by somebody. Brock Lesnar, the former UFC heavyweight king, took home $5.3 million in 2010, which was tops in the organization despite sky-high ticket prices and millions of pay-per-views sold.
Compare that to boxer Manny Pacquiao, who raked in $32 million and only had to fight twice to earn it. Boxing has long been associated with shady characters and the underworld, but compared to mixed martial arts, the elite boxers are making a hell of a living.
This is hard to understand since White would have you believe the UFC is a lot more popular than boxing and the pay-per-view numbers and live gates would support him. So just where is all of the money going? It’s definitely not going to the fighters who put their lives on the line every time they step into the octagon.
UFC fighters are getting a bigger piece of the pie these days, but it’s not enough. Kobe Bryant made $24.8 million last year in the NBA and Alex Rodriguez took home $32 million in MLB. MMA fighters are getting kicked in the face literally and figuratively when you consider what they’re getting paid.
For example, UFC 126, which was held in Las Vegas on Feb 5, drew a live gate of $3.6 million. It would have been higher, but more than 10 percent of tickets were given away. The average price for a ticket was $373.00, ranging from $75 to $750. The base salary of all the fighters combined was just over $1.3 million, with the top salary being $275,000 and the lowest being just $6,000. Out of those salaries, insurance, taxes, and licenses etc. had to be deducted.
This means the fighters were paid by just 36 percent of the live gate, leaving 64% profit. However, we haven’t added in the money made from broadcasting the preliminary bouts on Spike TV and the pay per view totals. It was estimated that 750,000 pay-per-views were sold at about $50 a shot for $37.5 million. Therefore, the total gate was about $40 million, with the fighters receiving $1.3 million, which translates to just over 3%.
Ironically it was a boxer, James Toney, who was paid the most at UFC 118. Toney embarrassed himself in the octagon and was paid $500,000 for lasting just 199 seconds against Randy Couture, who was paid $250,000. It was Toney’s first and last fight in the UFC. The headliner that night, lightweight champ Frankie Edgar, earned $96,000.
The UFC does have some overhead like everyone else and gives out bonuses at its card for things such as KO of the night and fight of the night. But when you see how little these guys are getting paid by Dana White’s organization, you can’t be blamed for thinking maybe Don King’s not such a bad guy after all.
In comparison to who, exactly?
Ellerbee's statement is ignorant because of the simple fact that what the UFC is doing is working. Period.
Sure, Floyd & Co are getting breaded, but what does that do for the sport in the long term?
His statement was guided at Dana White, who runs the UFC. How would Dana benefit from modeling his business after the way boxing is modeled?
He wouldn't.
As a fan, why do you even care what the fighters are making? You're a consumer. You should be looking to pay for the best product, not worrying about how much richer these superstars are going to be.
Ellerbee's statement is ignorant because of the simple fact that what the UFC is doing is working. Period.
Sure, Floyd & Co are getting breaded, but what does that do for the sport in the long term?
His statement was guided at Dana White, who runs the UFC. How would Dana benefit from modeling his business after the way boxing is modeled?
He wouldn't.
As a fan, why do you even care what the fighters are making? You're a consumer. You should be looking to pay for the best product, not worrying about how much richer these superstars are going to be.
UFCs downfall is all the main fighters are in one organization so all of them will continue to get jewed. Boxing is fine in the longterm cuz no matter what there is money in boxing and its cuz of all the seperate promotions even though it presents certain fights from happening. Folks wanna act like its falling off or whatever but its such a big sport with so many fighters it will always do well. MMA is getting bigger and bigger at the moment but that can easily change, just look at all the garbage ppvs there having a lot of last year and this year. My boy use to buy every UFC ppv, not now.
seriously. what fight were you guys watchin' that night? the only time he got "mopped" was when he got two pieced with his hands down. sure, it was fair n' all that but it definitely wasn't square if that makes any sense.
the end of the day though...Ortiz didn't need to headbutt him like that, he was beginning to get warmed up and get to him. it was such a boneheaded decision on his part and an even bigger one when he got so apologetic with a man of Floyd's character in the first place like that. he paid the price and thats that but to sit here n' say Floyd was whoopin' his ass in the ring that night is completely wrong.
the end of the day though...Ortiz didn't need to headbutt him like that, he was beginning to get warmed up and get to him. it was such a boneheaded decision on his part and an even bigger one when he got so apologetic with a man of Floyd's character in the first place like that. he paid the price and thats that but to sit here n' say Floyd was whoopin' his ass in the ring that night is completely wrong.
Where can an MMA fighter make more money than in the UFC?
That's the thing. You can't compare it to boxing, especially not in that aspect.
What I like most about the UFC's monopoly is that the best fights are being made. Period.
What the fighters make is no issue to me, because I'm not getting a dime of it anyways. All I care about is the product that I'm paying for.
Back on topic: I do agree, that a few of Ortiz' shots were getting through. Which is basically why I was so sour it ended that way, because although I think Ortiz would have lost, I wanted to see how well he did anyways.
I guess people forgot Mayweather doing this to Ortiz all fight until the end. The the clip is from the 4th round that people claim Ortiz was coming on. What fight was you guys watching????
lol. Floyd was beating the brakes off Ortiz and the fight was never close.
FYI, I love both boxing and MMA. Dana White is just promoting his Japan card to the asian fans, plus he's still mad at Floyd for killing him in the PPV.
lol. Floyd was beating the brakes off Ortiz and the fight was never close.
FYI, I love both boxing and MMA. Dana White is just promoting his Japan card to the asian fans, plus he's still mad at Floyd for killing him in the PPV.
bigface that gif is from the first 30 seconds of round 4. There was two more minutes of fighting and Ortiz was coming on.
Here is the gif with the headbutt and just prior. You can see he lands a good right hand, then splits his guard with two shots (he also missed shots as well) and pressed floyd against the ropes so it wasn't like it was a total beatdown:
Here is the gif with the headbutt and just prior. You can see he lands a good right hand, then splits his guard with two shots (he also missed shots as well) and pressed floyd against the ropes so it wasn't like it was a total beatdown: