I understand, but I was trying to make a point about FL, considering the thread is about FL8. I was indeed trying to talk about production technics about FX, samples, plugins n shit to make FL sound better rather than sticking with the built-in sounds like so many people do. There's people that need help with FL and that's what I was trying to show. Just saying FL sucks, get Cubase, get Reason, get Pro-Tools, get an MPC, ain't going to help. FL is just a tool like every other program and there's ways to improve it so you avoid it's stock bullshit that it comes with. Not to mention, like I've said, I'm the one that even created this thread in the first place so I feel I should be able to chime in and demonstrate a few samples to back up what I'm saying. It's not like I created a new thread and called it "listen to my new beat," now that's more on the spamming side. But within a relevant thread and a single link, cmon. But whatever, it's all good, the rules are the rules. I guess we can all just talk, but don't back it up because that's exactly what it is. People claim to be Pro's or atleast have high knowledge about audio here, but they don't back it up. How about posting up some knowledge and backing it up with audio clips or "beats." That's just how I feel, but it's all good. I would think audio clips would make the forum more interactive, but I guess not. There's always KVR forum which is highly interactive, knowledge and clips to back-up & teach.