Evolution and genetic engeneering.

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Genetic engineering has nothing to do with evolution in the sense of evolving from one species to another...


We improve on our material conditions by use of a palette that is already present. It is not a matter of slowly transforming from something less into something more or something completely different. This human palette will always be this human palette. There may be things in this palette that we are unaware of as of now, but we will never evolve into a new species.

The material world first manifested with all its variegatedness. Modern scientists pervert the spiritual philosophy of the "coming from a single source" into a material concept. They have theory that we all came from a single material organism that evolved into different, more intelligent species over billions of years. But, because matter does not create life, the variegated living entities could not have been produced from a single material organism. Each living entity's existence is not dependent on any material organism, be it single celled or one's parents. (The parents are responsible for the birth of the material body, that is all. And the material body without the life force is a corpse.) Now, because there is a diversity of living entities and their existence is transcendental to the material world, they were diverse even before the universe manifested. Thus, how would it be possible for multiple living entities (souls), being independent of the material world, to spring from a single material organism? And furthermore, what constitutes the cross-evolution of species when the diversity of life is a fundamental fact? Or in another perspective, if we evolved from primates, how come there are still primates?

Also...
Given the plague of human thought, that the body is the true entity, we obliviously try to improve our material conditions. Genetic engineering has got to be one of our greatest vanities.




 
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n9newunsixx5150 said:
Genetic engineering has nothing to do with evolution in the sense of evolving from one species to another...


We improve on our material conditions by use of a palette that is already present. It is not a matter of slowly transforming from something less into something more or something completely different. This human palette will always be this human palette. There may be things in this palette that we are unaware of as of now, but we will never evolve into a new species.

The material world first manifested with all its variegatedness. Modern scientists pervert the spiritual philosophy of the "coming from a single source" into a material concept. They have theory that we all came from a single material organism that evolved into different, more intelligent species over billions of years. But, because matter does not create life, the variegated living entities could not have been produced from a single material organism. Each living entity's existence is not dependent on any material organism, be it single celled or one's parents. (The parents are responsible for the birth of the material body, that is all. And the material body without the life force is a corpse.) Now, because there is a diversity of living entities and their existence is transcendental to the material world, they were diverse even before the universe manifested. Thus, how would it be possible for multiple living entities (souls), being independent of the material world, to spring from a single material organism? And furthermore, what constitutes the cross-evolution of species when the diversity of life is a fundamental fact? Or in another perspective, if we evolved from primates, how come there are still primates?

Also...
Given the plague of human thought, that the body is the true entity, we obliviously try to improve our material conditions. Genetic engineering has got to be one of our greatest vanities.
"Please don’t post if you do not believe in evolution. My intentions are not to debate evolution, but the future of evolution.
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2-0-Sixx said:
"Please don’t post if you do not believe in evolution. My intentions are not to debate evolution, but the future of evolution.
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Gotta a question for you.
What do you think our species will be like in a few million years from now. Let's say our next evolutionary step?
Will we be a physically stronger species?
(personally, I think we will evolve into a weaker species. Everything's automatic these days).
Will our brains grow larger since we continue to expand our knowledge?
 
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miggidy said:
Gotta a question for you.
What do you think our species will be like in a few million years from now. Let's say our next evolutionary step?
Will we be a physically stronger species?
(personally, I think we will evolve into a weaker species. Everything's automatic these days).
Will our brains grow larger since we continue to expand our knowledge?
Maybe a few thousand years from now, a computer compatible with our brain functions that can compute numbers faster and easier than our brain will be common place to simply pop-in one’s head. After time this would become more popular, and parents would be forced to apply this technology to their children just for them to compete.

I strongly believe that computer technology will be intergrated with the human race, eventually leading to the point where, you can say, humans will evolve into a computer type of species. The ultimate species if you ask me.
 
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^^^^
Yeah I was just looking at that.
It ties in with what we were talking about.

Back to the subject, do you think it's dangerous for us to "influence" our evolution into a point where we will depend on unnatural resources?

I can smell disaster bro....
This is how species can be wiped out. So far we have been able to adapt with the suttle changes of nature.
Everything that we need in order to survive is found in bundances.
 
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miggidy said:
Have you heard of any breakthroughs in nanotechnology as of late? Last time I heard anything, it was still a concept.
I have got some links for you then!

The Raelian Revolution
Clonaid: The First Human Cloning Company

I personaly believe myself that cloning may itself open doors towards new medical breakthroughs as much as it is dangerous and questionable right now.
 
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MC_PM$ said:
I have got some links for you then!

The Raelian Revolution
Clonaid: The First Human Cloning Company

I personaly believe myself that cloning may itself open doors towards new medical breakthroughs as much as it is dangerous and questionable right now.
"..We were the ones who made all life on earth"
"you mistook us for gods"
"we now reveal to you the secret behind the main religions"
"and how to realise your potential and achieve global peace"
- Yahweh
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No fucking wonder! That totally makes sense!
Thank you for solving the puzzle of life Raelians!

PS.... Give Yahweh a shout out for me. He'da man!

:dead::dead:
 
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Shits like a cult.

"Raël is available for public speeches about human cloning for a fee of $100 000 US. More than 90 % discount rates if the speech is for university students only."

CLONAID™
was founded in February 1997, by Raël, the leader of the Raelian Movement, an international religious organization, which claims that a human extraterrestrial race, called the Elohim, used DNA and genetic engineering, to scientifically create all life on Earth. The name, Elohim, is found in the Hebrew Bible and was mistranslated into the word "God". The Raelian Movement also claims that Jesus was resurrected using an advanced cloning technique performed by the Elohim.

Fuckin nuts

I dont think wackos should have this kind of technology in there hands.
 
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miggidy said:

do you think it's dangerous for us to "influence" our evolution into a point where we will depend on unnatural resources?
Yes, I do think its dangerous

This is how species can be wiped out. So far we have been able to adapt with the suttle changes of nature.
I dont know how this can wipe out a species, it could cause serious setbacks when applied in wrong ways, but I dont think it can wipe it out.

But wouldn't that rott our brain in the sense that the PC will take over most of it's activity?
No, I dont think so. Scientists are studying and some will argue that they are real close in creating artificial intelligence. In other words, computers that can think by themselves. This technology may have seemed far fetched just a few years ago, but now it seems to be right around the corner.
Plus, we must keep in mind that the computers of today are only the stepping stones of the computers of tomorrow. Combining carbon based technology with computer science is no longer finction, it is being researched as I type this message. The possibilties are endless.
Nanotechnology will play a huge role as I mentioned before. This technology is only TEN years old. Here is a link to a VERY interesting article I suggest you read, http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.04/nanotech.html which is about a "space elevator." Sounds rediculous at first, but after you read it, you will know it is not just a dream, considering 270 million dollars has just recently been invested in nanoscale science.


Here is anothe link, http://www.nanoelectronicsplanet.com/nanochannels/research/article/0,4028,10497_2239671,00.html which discusses how A UC-Berkeley physicist created the first nanoscale motor — a gold rotor on a nanotube shaft that could ride on the back of a virus.
Yes, thats right, a virus.
Do you understand what that means for the future of mankind? Were talking about a motor that can fit on a VIRUS!!!
"The electrostatic motors represent a milestone in nanotechnology, and prove that nanotubes and other nanostructures several hundred times smaller than the diameter of a human hair can be manipulated and assembled into true devices. "
Visit this site, http://www.nanoelectronicsplanet.com/ for similar articles.
 
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miggidy said:
"..We were the ones who made all life on earth"
"you mistook us for gods"
"we now reveal to you the secret behind the main religions"
"and how to realise your potential and achieve global peace"
- Yahweh
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No fucking wonder! That totally makes sense!
Thank you for solving the puzzle of life Raelians!

PS.... Give Yahweh a shout out for me. He'da man!

:dead::dead:
Man I wanna join the alien cult! Sounds like more fun than a christian church sermon especially with this cult having naked activity time *YAY*!
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
Shits like a cult.

Fuckin nuts

I dont think wackos should have this kind of technology in there hands.
Unforutunately, the technology IS in their hands and we can't do jack shit about it while they or members of their society would have the access and the power to clone some of the worlds most delightful and historical figures (hitler, stalin, napoleon, dracula, khan, nixon, etc.).

Well who says dreams can't come true anyways? (whatever that twisted and wretchid dream that may be comming from the minds of the nefarious).