Elton John Speaks Against Religion

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You laughed at the textbook definition of homosexuality, so I bet you'd come up with something saying that "homosexual acts are a choice, thus homosexuality is a choice" because that is the only argument you have. If you came up with reputable sources that show you can turn gay through therapy or turn straight through therapy with scientific evidence, then, well, you would be a magician, because you do not have that.

Just like your source from earlier which you didn't cite ("from the journal of abnormal psychology" isn't a valid citation) had the exact opposite results as an American Psychological Association study, http://web.archive.org/web/20040202035152/www.apa.org/releases/homophob.html, "Broken down further, the measurements showed that while 66% of the nonhomophobic group showed no significant tumescence while watching the male homosexual video, only 20% of the homophobic men showed little or no evidence of arousal. Similarly, while 24% of the nonhomophobic men showed definite tumescence while watching the homosexual video, 54% of the homophobic men did."

It addresses the possibility of the "threat condition" which you are so eager to assume is the explanation, which would seem like a decent explanation to somebody who assumes that erections are caused by the increase in bloodflow that results from anxiousness or more specifically, arousal of the autonomic nervous system, without scientific comparison.

Considering that you've already discredited yourself with a blatant willingness to disregard fact and distort the truth, I wouldn't be surprised if you personally altered the data that you quoted, or you picked the most biased source you could find within the APA's Journal of Abnormal Psychology, on the order of the American Family Association propaganda you seem willing to repeat.

The fact that you are so adamant in believing the few extremely-biased Christian scientists over the great majority of rational thinking non-religious scientists about whether or not homosexuality is a choice, makes me suspect that you wish you could choose to be straight.

Once again, your brain:dead: arguments "have no meaning" and rather than provide real evidence when asked for it you play a game, "what are you going to do when I provide evidence?" When you doctor all the evidence, I'll laugh, because you wasted time pretending even though you have zero credible evidence in the face of the scientific community's nearly unanimous reason.

Quit pretending you're a rational human being, you're not. You have illogical biases and you're a slave to them. I never tried to kill myself, and I'm not a drug addict, because quitting was easy as hell and I've been sober for a considerable time now, but you assumed I did and you assumed I was an addict and that my drug use wasn't a choice. Once again brain:dead:, irrational, and above all STUPID. I really thought this discussion was purposeful but you're long gone and almost unbelievably stupid :dead:. Don't waste anyone else's time with your opinions unless you take them to the scientific community because you've been schooled like a child. :dead:

Get help closet-case.
 
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^^^man, i've been reading the whole argument between you and heresy and i can conclude that.

1) it sounds like you dont know what the hell your talking about
and
2) your a mad gay dude, thats mad at the world for not liking him, for the fact that he's gay, talks hella trash, and is quick to point it out when someone talks trash to him.

im not making fun of you, im just telling it like it is.
 

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You laughed at the textbook definition of homosexuality
No I didn't. Next time read.

so I bet you'd come up with something saying that "homosexual acts are a choice, thus homosexuality is a choice"
Thats a possibility.

because that is the only argument you have.
No, several times now I've said it can be a "glitch" or something abnormal going on internally. I also said that the agents of socialization can play a factor in homosexuality. Next time read.

If you came up with reputable sources that show you can turn gay through therapy or turn straight through therapy with scientific evidence, then, well, you would be a magician, because you do not have that.
Why do I need to do so? I never mentioned anything about therapy, however, all you have to do is hit the links I previously posted (from the articles posted), browse the site and find the info you seek.

Just like your source from earlier which you didn't cite ("from the journal of abnormal psychology" isn't a valid citation) had the exact opposite results as an American Psychological Association study,
Well, if you were so intelligent YOU would have cited the source when YOU first made the claim :dead:. I was simply going off your lead, and it is a valid citation. Hit the site and find what you need -- it works well for all of us. In addition, the site/study does NOT have the exact opposite results as the Journal of Abnormal Psychology. THE REASON WHY THEY DON'T HAVE DIFFERENT RESULTS IS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME RESULTS. YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ THE ARTICLE! CTFU! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE ARTICLE YOU POSTED SAID THE EVIDENCE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE THEORY. LMAO! THE SITE TELLS US WHO CONDUCTED THE RESEARCH, WHAY ISSUE IT WAS PLACED IN AN WHO PUBLISHED IT. BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER PLEASE TELL US WHO PUBLISHED THE RESEARCH.

It addresses the possibility of the "threat condition" which you are so eager to assume is the explanation, which would seem like a decent explanation to somebody who assumes that erections are caused by the increase in bloodflow that results from anxiousness or more specifically, arousal of the autonomic nervous system, without scientific comparison.
You are the one who mentioned men being aroused (something you enjoy VERY much.) You made the claim in hopes of somehow proving people are born gay or whatever the hell it is you are trying to do. I posted results that destroyed that position, and here you are MISINTERPRETING DATA (again) in hopes of proving your point, but the evidence STILL supports what I originally stated and posted! LMAO! If you have an explanation for why these men were aroused I'd like to read it because your link endorse my position 100%. Remember, YOU made the claim, YOU introduced arousal to the topic, so YOU have the burden of proof.

Considering that you've already discredited yourself with a blatant willingness to disregard fact and distort the truth
That never happened.

I wouldn't be surprised if you personally altered the data that you quoted, or you picked the most biased source you could find within the APA's Journal of Abnormal Psychology, on the order of the American Family Association propaganda you seem willing to repeat.
I wouldn't be surprised if you contracted HIV due to being gay and being a junkie. I've NEVER had a history of altering data (believe me, someone would have called me on that by now if it were true.)

The fact that you are so adamant in believing the few extremely-biased Christian scientists over the great majority of rational thinking non-religious scientists about whether or not homosexuality is a choice makes me suspect that you wish you could choose to be straight.
So, according to your logic EVEREYONE who believes christian scientists over non-christian scientist is homosexual and chooses to be straight. LOL! Now, I know you'll probably come back with the "I don't mean everyone just you" crap, but it won't work. I'm fine comfortable with my sexuality and preference, I am confident, and I have high self esteem. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for you. :ermm:

Once again, your brain arguments "have no meaning" and rather than provide real evidence when asked for it you play a game, "what are you going to do when I provide evidence?" When you doctor all the evidence, I'll laugh, because you wasted time pretending even though you have zero credible evidence in the face of the scientific community's nearly unanimous reason.
I have never doctored evidence and everyone here knows thats not my style. People on this board make it a point to catch people doctoring evidence or passing someone elses evidence as their own. When people are caught doing it they are scrutinized and given a WARNING by the MODS to cease doing it. The majority of people here have respect for me because I earned that respect. I have been consistant in my views, and have been through many "battles" here. If doctoring evidence is my tactic I would have been called out a LOOOOOOOONG time ago.

Quit pretending you're a rational human being, you're not.
I don't know if I should tell you to quit pretending to be a woman...or quit pretending to be a man...:hurt:

You have illogical biases and you're a slave to them.
And you're gay.

I never tried to kill myself,
Sure you didn't. Junkie homosexuals, with mental issues and problems coming out the closet, never have suicidal thoughts.

and I'm not a drug addict
Sure you aren't.

because quitting was easy as hell and I've been sober for a considerable time now,
Not taking drugs in the past two minutes doesn't qualify you as clean or sober.

but you assumed I did and you assumed I was an addict and that my drug use wasn't a choice
I made a logical assessment (based on your posts), and most people would probably agree that you are a homsexual junkie who is suicidal. Also, why would I assume your drug use WASN'T your choice?

Once again brain, irrational, and above all STUPID. I really thought this discussion was purposeful but you're long gone and almost unbelievably stupid . Don't waste anyone else's time with your opinions unless you take them to the scientific community because you've been schooled like a child.
But you're a gay....and a junkie...and have a couple of screws loose. If ANYONE here shouldn't waste their time it is YOU.

Get help closet-case.
The same help you recieved? LMAO! No thanks. :)
 
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Heresy is as delusional as they come. I said logical, you make dozens of assumptions with no evidence or understanding. You still maintain that the words you put in my mouth are true, AND you still think being gay is "wrong" or else you would be a homophobic bigot. Sadly, you are incapable of choosing, let alone being rational. The results of the studies were different, the conclusions were different, you didn't even cite your source, STILL. AND you misinterpreted your own oassage while attempting to make a 'correction.' You are delusional, and have no control over your own thoughts or opinions. You are barely even a human, considering it's against your nature to be so irrational and delusional. But you chose that way, so you will forever be brain:dead: just like any argument you make. Honestly, take your opinion somewhere else besides "siccness" and you'll be laughed at and ignored for how delusional you are making assumption after assumption only to fit your brain:dead: presuppositions.

C'mon quit being so brain:dead:. It's really sad that there are so many of you running around pretending you are capable of rational logical thinking. Just admit you can't and that your "opinion" is nonsense, because it is and you still haven't seen it.
 

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Insolent1 said:
Heresy is as delusional as they come. I said logical, you make dozens of assumptions with no evidence or understanding. You still maintain that the words you put in my mouth are true, AND you still think being gay is "wrong" or else you would be a homophobic bigot. Sadly, you are incapable of choosing, let alone being rational. The results of the studies were different, the conclusions were different, you didn't even cite your source, STILL. AND you misinterpreted your own oassage while attempting to make a 'correction.' You are delusional, and have no control over your own thoughts or opinions. You are barely even a human, considering it's against your nature to be so irrational and delusional. But you chose that way, so you will forever be brain:dead: just like any argument you make. Honestly, take your opinion somewhere else besides "siccness" and you'll be laughed at and ignored for how delusional you are making assumption after assumption only to fit your brain:dead: presuppositions.

C'mon quit being so brain:dead:. It's really sad that there are so many of you running around pretending you are capable of rational logical thinking. Just admit you can't and that your "opinion" is nonsense, because it is and you still haven't seen it.

I have reduced you to NOTHING. The ONLY thing you can do is make insults! The results are not different because there was NEVER a second test done. The test was in an issue of the journal and was published by the APA. THERE WAS NO SECOND TEST! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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This is what I previously posted pages ago:


"In their study of 64 exclusively heterosexual men (self-identified), 66 percent of the non-homophobic group showed no significant arousal while watching a male homosexual video, while only 20 percent of the homophobic men showed little or no evidence of arousal."
This is what your link says:

Researchers at the University of Georgia conducted an experiment involving 35 homophobic men and 29 nonhomophobic men as measured by the Index of Homophobia scale. All the participants selected for the study described themselves as exclusively heterosexual both in terms of sexual arousal and experience.
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Broken down further, the measurements showed that while 66% of the nonhomophobic group showed no significant tumescence while watching the male homosexual video, only 20% of the homophobic men showed little or no evidence of arousal. Similarly, while 24% of the nonhomophobic men showed definite tumescence while watching the homosexual video, 54% of the homophobic men did
Aside from the fact that I did not post the 24 and 54 percentages (because I didn't have that data) the results are the SAME.

Again, here is what I posted:

"viewing homosexual stimuli causes negative emotions such as anxiety in homophobic men but not in non-homophobic men. Because anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal and erection, this theory would predict increases in erection in homophobic men. Furthermore, it would indicate that a response to homosexual stimuli is a function of the threat condition rather than sexual arousal per se."
Here is an excerpt from your link:

Do these findings mean, then, that homophobia in men is a reaction to repressed homosexual urges, as psychoanalysis theorizes? While their findings are consistent with that theory, the authors note that there is another, competing theoretical explanation: anxiety. According to this theory, viewing the male homosexual videotape may have caused negative emotions (such as anxiety) in the homophobic men, but not in the nonhomophobic men. As the authors note, 'anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal and erection,' and so it is also possible that 'a response to homosexual stimuli [in these men] is a function of the threat condition rather than sexual arousal per se. These competing notions can and should be evaluated by future research.'
Now, can you please explain how your link is any different from what I previously posted?
 
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The only thing you've reduced to nothing is yourself. Devoid of logic or rational thought, your argument holds no water. I made many valid points that you completely ignored, and I wasted my time responding to yours where you nitpick without disproving the meaning of my arguments. I said genetic, it is believed to have a partially genetic component. You said it was a choice and that you have evidence but you refuse to provide it. You never cited your sources. I say it's "practically human nature to hate" and you say, "it's not human nature to hate" when I said "practically" for a reason. You continue to nitpick with your backwards logic and the only time you say you actually understand when I'm not being literal you assume I'm implying things that I'm not, like drug "addiction," and "suicide attempts." Honestly, you are incapable of rational thought, and if you weren't you'd have said something of substance contrary to the widely accepted truth besides spewing American Family Association propaganda that you ate up when you were even dumber than you are now and must now defend to the brain:dead: degree you do.

Yeah, the study you quoted "only" left out the fact that homophobic men showed a large increase in SIGNIFICANT tumescence, which doesn't mean a tiny increase in bloodflow due to autonomic nervous system arousal like through the entire body, it means they're starting to get hard-ons and they can't even fight it. You get hard-ons looking at offensive pictures/disgusting erotic pictures? You get a hard-on when you fight somebody? Well, maybe you do, because your concept of reality is completely backwards.

C'mon brain:dead:, surely you can do better than nothing. You said that it didn't provide evidence it's not a choice, when it evidences a biological connection, even if there is a "competing theory" lobbied for by the AFA.

I really doubt you "LMAO"ed with the enthusiasm the number of your delusional exclamation marks would suggest. Thus, not that it wasn't evident before, you are a fraud. But we already knew that, and we already knew you are delusional, you should really take your "opinions" to a psychiatrist and they can tell help you see the world sane people see it.

It must be hard being brain:dead: and not being able to apply your zeal to anything besides delusions. Good luck getting help.