Elton John Speaks Against Religion

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You guys going to tell me that you believe in God and say the bible points in the right direction, when it suggests Original Sin is SEX (i.e. procreation), which you have inherited from your father, but that LOVE is not important? I broke an already fragile girl's heart because I tried to ignore the FACT that I am gay, because despite all the intent and effort, and many good reasons, I could never love her in the same way she loved me. Homosexuality can help fight overpopulation, it can decrease in-fighting and competition for sexual partners, and if we're still talking evolution, it creates a small minority target for everyone to direct their anger towards, thus helping to ensure the survival of the rest of the species. Designed or not, homosexuality is useful and not made-up.

It is sad that gay men are bullied into straight relationships and are at grave physical risk in a large portion of the world, even the United States, if they do not expend all conscious effort to pretend to be straight. Let's not forget the fact that "gay" is everybody's new favorite word, which isn't degrading at all, it's not like they have feelings, and "faggot" is probably the most overused insult since "your mama." Plus, nobody benefits from doomed relationships formed between gay men and straight women, and especially not the women who gets lied to every day of her life for her happiness.

Most people are too proud to change their minds. After all, if they were wrong all along, all the gay people they've mocked, harassed and threatened aren't the immoral monsters, THEY are. Plus, it's practically human nature to hate. Think about it, everybody either hates fags (or the sub-sections, "queens," "dykes"), or spics, or niggers, or "terrorists"/sandniggers, or chinks, or wops, or jews, or retards, or republicans, or lefties, or commies, or hobos, or junkies, or fat people, junkies, or more recently, straight edge, goths, emos, trannies, scientologists ETC. EVERYONE judges, only Jesus couldn't judge, if you believe his claims. So I guess only non-sinners are calling 'fags' immoral as per John 8:7 "Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

All the evidence in the world suggests that being gay is not a choice, there are numerous studies that have noticed chemical and neurological differences among straight and gay men, such as "a report in 1991 by Dr. Simon LeVay that a small region of the hypothalamus is twice as large in straight men as in women or gay" (nytimes through google, also was in my intro psychology textbook 2006 edition). Hell, who would CHOOSE to be gay anyway. I certainly didn't and I tried for many years to choose to be straight but it's f-ing impossible and has literally driven me crazy, I mean mental disorder, drug addiction, because I tried to choose NOT to be what I have no control over.

Nobody says, "I think all stupid people are lazy. They could be as successful and intelligent as Einstein but they simply choose not to be smart. They put no effort into all the tests they take or everyday thinking. Even though their brain has substantially fewer dendrites. They want to be hated for their stupidity. Being stupid is immoral because God gave us the gift of intelligence and this is what they give in return/quote wisdom-related bible passage." But they do for gays.

The good news is, scientists aren't blind to the evidence, and the great majority of educated people aren't either, especially the younger generations. As older folks who are unwilling to change their opinion (and never have looked up the new evidence) go the way of their ancestors, eventually being gay will be about as taboo as being left handed. For now, my life is considerably more difficult than it should be if everyone was as "moral" as they claim.
 

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^LOOK HERE FAg-LOAK. WE DON'T NEED YOUR CONFESSIONS. ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS COMMENT ON THE TOPIC AT HAND AND DEFEND THAT STANCE. NOT PUT YOURSELF IN THE SPOTLIgHT.

BUT SINCE YOU DID, I'LL LET OTHAS DEVOUR YOUR EACH AND EVERY SENTENCE , PIECE BY PIECE. JUST KNOW THAT YOU MADE THE CHOICE TO BE WITH ANOTHA HAIRY MUTHA-FUKA LIKE YOURSELF AND INDULgED IN WHAT THE (gOD) YOU BELIEVE IN CONDEMNS. CAUSE IF YOU TALKIN' BOUT THE (gOD) OF THE BIBLE, THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW HE CONDEMNS THE ACT AND IT IS HE YOU SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT.
 

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You guys going to tell me that you believe in God and say the bible points in the right direction, when it suggests Original Sin is SEX (i.e. procreation), which you have inherited from your father, but that LOVE is not important?
Nowhere in the bible does it suggest and/or imply that the original sin is sex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin

I broke an already fragile girl's heart because I tried to ignore the FACT that I am gay, because despite all the intent and effort, and many good reasons, I could never love her in the same way she loved me.
ok

Homosexuality can help fight overpopulation, it can decrease in-fighting and competition for sexual partners, and if we're still talking evolution, it creates a small minority target for everyone to direct their anger towards, thus helping to ensure the survival of the rest of the species. Designed or not, homosexuality is useful and not made-up.
Please list the cons of homosexuality.

It is sad that gay men are bullied into straight relationships and are at grave physical risk in a large portion of the world, even the United States, if they do not expend all conscious effort to pretend to be straight. Let's not forget the fact that "gay" is everybody's new favorite word, which isn't degrading at all, it's not like they have feelings, and "faggot" is probably the most overused insult since "your mama." Plus, nobody benefits from doomed relationships formed between gay men and straight women, and especially not the women who gets lied to every day of her life for her happiness.
ok

Most people are too proud to change their minds. After all, if they were wrong all along, all the gay people they've mocked, harassed and threatened aren't the immoral monsters, THEY are. Plus, it's practically human nature to hate. Think about it, everybody either hates fags (or the sub-sections, "queens," "dykes"), or spics, or niggers, or "terrorists"/sandniggers, or chinks, or wops, or jews, or retards, or republicans, or lefties, or commies, or hobos, or junkies, or fat people, junkies, or more recently, straight edge, goths, emos, trannies, scientologists ETC. EVERYONE judges, only Jesus couldn't judge, if you believe his claims. So I guess only non-sinners are calling 'fags' immoral as per John 8:7 "Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
Seriously, if you do NOT understand the bible, don't go quoting scriptures in hopes of proving a point. When Yeshi said "Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her" you do know the people were sinning and in violation of THE LAW they professed to have believed in right? It has NOTHING to do with calling a spade a spade. Also, I would not say it is human nature to hate. NOT ONE PERSON ON THIS PLANET IS ASCRIBED HATE (at birth.) It is a product of agents of socialization, economics, history etc.

All the evidence in the world suggests that being gay is not a choice, there are numerous studies that have noticed chemical and neurological differences among straight and gay men, such as "a report in 1991 by Dr. Simon LeVay that a small region of the hypothalamus is twice as large in straight men as in women or gay" (nytimes through google, also was in my intro psychology textbook 2006 edition). Hell, who would CHOOSE to be gay anyway. I certainly didn't and I tried for many years to choose to be straight but it's f-ing impossible and has literally driven me crazy, I mean mental disorder, drug addiction, because I tried to choose NOT to be what I have no control over.
All the evidence in the world suggests that being gay is not a choice? So, if I cite five credible sources stating it IS a choice, what will you do? Also, you have misconstrued the studies of Dr. Simon LeVay. LeVay said, "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality was genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain. INAH-3 is less likely to be the sole gay nucleus of the brain than a part of a chain of nuclei engaged in men and women's sexual behavior...Since I looked at adult brains we don't know if the differences I found were there at birth, or if they appeared later"

(emphasis mine)

Nobody says, "I think all stupid people are lazy. They could be as successful and intelligent as Einstein but they simply choose not to be smart. They put no effort into all the tests they take or everyday thinking. Even though their brain has substantially fewer dendrites. They want to be hated for their stupidity. Being stupid is immoral because God gave us the gift of intelligence and this is what they give in return/quote wisdom-related bible passage." But they do for gays.
How is this important?

The good news is, scientists aren't blind to the evidence, and the great majority of educated people aren't either, especially the younger generations. As older folks who are unwilling to change their opinion (and never have looked up the new evidence) go the way of their ancestors, eventually being gay will be about as taboo as being left handed. For now, my life is considerably more difficult than it should be if everyone was as "moral" as they claim.
The good news is many scientist still feel homosexuality is a choice, and the great majority of educated people tend to read and understand what they are reading before they misconstrue facts and statements in hopes of pursuing their own agenda. What evidence should old people look up if homosexual men can't comprehend the evidence presented thus far? In addition, won't the homosexuals go the way of their ancestors if they never procreate? In american society being gay will probably be about as taboo as being left handed in a couple of years, but as Yeshi said, "If thy hand offends thee cut it off."
 

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@Insolent1
you are correct that its human nature for us to be judgemental. Fact is, we are constantly judging our every moment according to our preconceived notions of reality.

You said "Designed or not, homosexuality is useful and not made-up."
You see how you are so sure of your position? thats because you have thought in a certain direction many times and have been updated with more details and a better understanding. So when you are stating something such as this, the picture you are painting in your mind is a much more detailed and complex perception than the picture that gets painted in the readers heads with the 2 sentences you used.
So while you are positive of your arguement, so are they and nothing will change.
This is why nobody will understand anybodys POV .


this is just one of the dozens of obstacles in the way of finding truth.
 

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Hemp said:
@Insolent1
you are correct that its human nature for us to be judgemental. Fact is, we are constantly judging our every moment according to our preconceived notions of reality.

You said "Designed or not, homosexuality is useful and not made-up."
You see how you are so sure of your position? thats because you have thought in a certain direction many times and have been updated with more details and a better understanding. So when you are stating something such as this, the picture you are painting in your mind is a much more detailed and complex perception than the picture that gets painted in the readers heads with the 2 sentences you used.
So while you are positive of your arguement, so are they and nothing will change.
This is why nobody will understand anybodys POV .


this is just one of the dozens of obstacles in the way of finding truth.
Pathetic.....
 

Hemp

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AHAHAHAH MAN, i have answered this many times.
im tired of this, REALLY.
right now im basically sure that you are a gimp, and i will therefore let you continue talking to yourself.
 

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HERESY said:
Thanks for proving me correct.

:dead:
how does that prove you correct?

if its human nature then it means God must have created us with it, which means God doesnt care about if man can find a way or not, since he is most likely not going to with this flaw.
 

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Lets go over this. You made the claim that being judgemental is human nature. In order for something to be human nature the human has to be born with it. It must be inherent or something that is done on instinct. However, being judgemental is NOT something you are born with. Being judgemental is NOT ascribed at birth. Being judgemental comes from the way you are SOCIALIZED. It can come from your family, your peers, your religion, the media etc. Being judgmental comes from what you EXPERIENCE in life.

It is human nature to EAT, BREATH, SLEEP etc. These things are not something humans have to learn. Being judgemental IS something you learn, and how do you learn to be judgemental? Experience or socialization.
 

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Definitions of judgmental on the Web:

* depending on judgment; "a judgmental error"; "I think that she is too judgmental to be a good therapist"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn


this is how humans make sense of what they are given, its Natural.
they judge it based on what they already know...