Droppin Nukes on Japan in WWII

[Ethereal]

You must be blinded from being drunken with patriotism if you honestly believe that men who were in the MILITARY were civilians. Come on Nitro, you can do better then that.

ZzZzZz... Isn't it strange how in one thread I am defending America on an invasion, then in another thread your defending a country invading America. You must be drunken with anti-Americanism. zZzZzZz...

Why didn’t the U.S get involved in the war prior to Pearl Harbor? Can you answer that smart guy? If there was such an evil man and the U.S didn’t want Hitler to “take over the world”, then why did they wait so long before joining the war? If Japan never attacked Pearl Harbor and they invaded Russia from the East, as Hitler wanted them to, you would probably be defending Fascism right now.

zZzZzZzZ... Isn't it strange how in one thread your bashing America for entering a country to take out an evil dictator, and in another you're whining and crying about America staying out of the war? Can you answer that smart guy? zZzZzZzZzZz...

Oh yeah, you're right, America was not jusitifed in killing civilians in Japan or Viet Nam. That should take care of the rest of your post.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

lol, WTF kind of reply was that? Looks like a bitch way out of responding.

" you're whining and crying about America staying out of the war?"

When did I whine and cry? I asked you simple questions and this is how you respond?

 

[Snubnoze]

I never said the United States killing Japanese civilians was justified by what the axis did. I am saying that in light of what the axis' were doing to the world, we had to protect our nation by any means neccessary. So you managed to argue a false reply, that I never made. Congratulations you fucking retard.

If you hadn't noticed, the japanese had NOTHING to do with the holocaust. That was Germany. I made a comment saying that killing japanese citizens was dishonerable, and you come in trying to pull some spin, saying AXIS killed the jews to make it imply that the japanese had something to do with this. Stop making fucking excuses.

 

[Ethereal]

lol, WTF kind of reply was that? Looks like a bitch way out of responding.

I'm just tired of talking about civilian this and civilian that when either way mass civilians are going to die. Because of that, I'm no longer going to argue which method would have been better. I do not support the bombings in Nam or the atomic bomb in Japan. I do support protecting our country--in self defense--by *any* means neccessary.

You play with fire, you get burned. Japan found that out the hard way.

If you hadn't noticed, the japanese had NOTHING to do with the holocaust. That was Germany. I made a comment saying that killing japanese citizens was dishonerable, and you come in trying to pull some spin, saying AXIS killed the jews to make it imply that the japanese had something to do with this. Stop making fucking excuses.

It was Japan and Germany vs. The United States. I would have to believe that a country willing to join forces with someone who has killed off millions of civilians jews would have to bear the consequences of fighting a war on their side. And so they did.

Hey fellas, lets not worry about the countries that the United States saved in this world war (and the first). Lets not worry about how the United States was invaded. Lets not worry about how the United States tried to stay out of the war. No, lets not worry about everything they accomplished, lets just find any and everything that the United States did that was bad, and discuss how evil they were. Because we wouldn't truely be anti-American if we acknowledged positive things they did, it would defeat the purpose.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Nitro, you're going to far with this "America saved the world" crap. First off, Germany was loosing the battle before America stepped in.

Second, it was NOT Germany and Japan against america, it was Germany, Japan, Italy, Iran, Hungary, Bulgaria, Rumania, Finland, Slovakia, Bohemia & Moravia, Occupied Holland, Occupied Belgium, Occupied Norway, Vichy France, Croatia, and others AGAINST Britian, Poland, Canada, France, Australia, the Soviet Union, New Zealand and others. This is why it was called a WORLD war.
Remember, america was NEUTRAL when these nations declared war on Germany. Germany didn't even consider america an enemy until after pearl harbor. America was making huge profits from this war. Look up Prescott Bush and learn how the Bush family made it's millions from Hitler along with other US companies.

 

[miggidy]

But what if this "him" was comprised of more than just one person. And what if these people are responsible for killing those who you are supposed to protect, maybe your family? What if they were relentless, posessing the ability to kill themselves just to kill you or one of your loved ones. What if they showed no mercy and no sign of surrender under any circumstances. Are you going to let them kill off your own one by one? Either way your responsible for civilian deaths, whether that be your own, or your enemies. It is to hard to simulate this scenario out with one man punching you, compared to a hoard of planes bombing a country.

What ever the case is, dropping a nuke over a city is wrong.
Just as wrong as the World Trade Center attacks of 911.
It is inexcusable to attack innocent civilians....

I can not tell you I agree with the killing of civilians. But what were we supposed to do, do you think Japan wouldn't have sent planes over California and started bombing civilians if we handeled it routinley? I have heard stories of Japanese armies walking off cliffs before they surrendered to America. I don't think there is anything they would not have done..

How about droppin the nuke at a military site away from the public at the very least????

There is one difference here. We took the offensive first against Saddam, so asking them to surrender would sound dumb. Japan however, invaded us, so we raided Tokyo and caused mass destruction, then told them to surrender before we dropped the a-bomb. A lot of the things in this war sound dumb miggidy, and it's easy for us to say that when it's all over and we read about it in our history books. It is easy for us to find where America flawed, or how we could have done this to save lives, or did that to save money, but who the fuck are we?

I was implying that we were gonna attack regardless, asking them to surrender was phony.

What we did to Japanese civilians was horrible wrong, I can not begin to detail the horror of it. But I don't care how you look at it, or from what angle you do, one thing stands true, and that is, through all of these atrocius acts the United States committed in this war, they saved everyone. Simply put, they saved the world. People can laugh their anti-american ass off at the comment, but its so fucking true and deep down inside, everyone knows it. Can you honestly sit there and say we didn't? If we never entered Germany or fought off Japan, who the fuck do you think would have? Look at what Hitler was doing to those countries around him, he was beating them down like they were punks. I don't care how many of what articles are pulled out of where, I believe the United States, by what they did in WWII saved FAR more lives then it destroyed. They saved country after country. Because of this; I won't agree with the deaths the a-bomb cost, but I will rest assured that many more lives were saved. There is no way to say whether it was truely right or wrong, so I just void it and let God deal with them accordingly.

This is still up in the air, it is too early to tell whether this will make things better, or even worse.

My personal opinion? It wasn't even about slaying evil and making the world a better place to begin with. It is about globalization.... And that itself has it's own agenda....

There is no justification for killing civilians, not even to save civilians. Knowing this it is pointless to argue any further about it. Your going to believe that we could have solved it in a better manner, I'm telling you that many more civilians would have died in the process. If I were the president, I would not have ordered the bomb, no way in hell.

I'm not arguing against helping those in need during WW2.
I think that is the only time in history where going to war was justified. Hitler was killing millions and someone had to stop him. I'm just questionning the deliberate attack on civilians in Japan.
The way I look at it, our government had a new toy in their hands. They couldn't wait to pop its cherry. So they jumped at the first chance they got....

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

In an invasion of Japan, there is no "military area". That's about as compressed a country as it gets.

They also predicted that a land invasion would have more casualties than bombing raids.

The napalming before the nukes actually caused more casualties than the nukes did.

 

[Ethereal]

Nitro, you're going to far with this "America saved the world" crap. First off, Germany was loosing the battle before America stepped in.

We'll leave this as a difference of opinion.

Second, it was NOT Germany and Japan against america, it was Germany, Japan, Italy, Iran, Hungary, Bulgaria, Rumania, Finland, Slovakia, Bohemia & Moravia, Occupied Holland, Occupied Belgium, Occupied Norway, Vichy France, Croatia, and others AGAINST Britian, Poland, Canada, France, Australia, the Soviet Union, New Zealand and others. This is why it was called a WORLD war. Remember, america was NEUTRAL when these nations declared war on Germany.

Uhhhh, why are you even typing this out? Wow, 2-0-Sixx, in other news, the sun is hot, ice is cold, and people die. Why don't you save these little 8th grade history lessons for someone who could use them, I don't need to read through your google'd list of countries involved in the second world war. I pointed out that Japan joined forces with Adolf Hitler and Germany, who was the most destructive in their effort to take over the world, that is why I mentioned them. America's involvement in the second world war was focused on Japan and Germany, not Bohemia & Moravia. The United States has saved *many* countries (silent in your ranting), and yes, even the entire world, believe it or not, I don't really give a fuck, your entitled to your own biased opinion.

 

[Ethereal]

In an invasion of Japan, there is no "military area". That's about as compressed a country as it gets.

They also predicted that a land invasion would have more casualties than bombing raids.

The napalming before the nukes actually caused more casualties than the nukes did.

Everything we did caused more damage than the nukes, but some of these fuckdicks don't understand that. If we didn't bomb Japan, they would be on here bitching "Well why the fuck didn't the U.S. just drop the a-bomb, it would have saved so many more lives". Bah.

What ever the case is, dropping a nuke over a city is wrong.
Just as wrong as the World Trade Center attacks of 911.
It is inexcusable to attack innocent civilians....

I agree. This entire war was wrong.

How about droppin the nuke at a military site away from the public at the very least????

I agree. I got a question for you. If we didn't drop the nukes, and we continued with a massive land and air invasion, do you think we would have more than 50 states in the U.S. today?

I was implying that we were gonna attack regardless, asking them to surrender was phony.

Well they had to, so I can sit here are argue with you guys that, hey, we warned them! No, seriously though, it's better than nothing. Maybe the U.S. avoided any hint that would have Japan surrender, I think you had a good point with your last claim towards the bottom.

My personal opinion? It wasn't even about slaying evil and making the world a better place to begin with. It is about globalization.... And that itself has it's own agenda....

Trickery, huh? What better way to commit an evil act than to make yourself look good in the process. This is something that makes it very hard for me to stand by my country. In almost everything they do, there is good and evil, and more often then not the goodness is outweighed, especially in recent history. Thats the case with Iraq, and the point I was previously trying to make. America entered Iraq to find oil by faking WMD claims. Evil. But at the same time, they were liberating Iraqi civilians (maybe this was not on their agenda, but does it matter?). Goodness. So I am in support of this liberation, and against America's real agenda, so where do I stand in my support for America? Thats where some people mislabel and confuse my political stance on many issues involving America. I'm sorry that I am changing the subject here, but I want to make this point. The U.S. invading Iraq was against all the rules and served no solid purpose other then liberating the country. So what is the alternative, we keep Saddam in control of Iraq and all of it's oil (after he alread tried to steal the oil in Kuwait) and let him continue his evil dictatorship. Anti-Americans on this site will tell you; they broke section xxxx and section xxxx of the United Nations. While I, on the other hand, don't really care what laws they broke, just so long as what they are accomplishing is built on high moral grounds. So does America controlling Iraq's oil, implimenting a new government, saving civilians from torture and death sound better than the latter? Its a tough decision in this instance alone, but hopefully your getting an understanding of where I'm coming from. That is what seperates me from some of the other dummies on this board. People think it's always one way or the other, and never examine it from other perspectives. I often find myself watching the actions of the U.S. and (weighing out the goodness with evil) and asking myself, is it worth it? Sometimes I don't know. But when people jump on one side, I offer them perspective, and they take it as drunkin patriotism. So long as goodness prevails, I'm down for the cause. Are you?

I'm not arguing against helping those in need during WW2.
I think that is the only time in history where going to war was justified. Hitler was killing millions and someone had to stop him. I'm just questionning the deliberate attack on civilians in Japan.
The way I look at it, our government had a new toy in their hands. They couldn't wait to pop its cherry. So they jumped at the first chance they got....

Your probably right man.

 

[miggidy]

Nitro,

I'll make this real short, America did not go to war with Iraq over oil.
Oil was only a perk to something much bigger.
The purpose was to bring Capitalism to the Arab/Muslim world.
It's all globalization, Saddam kind of slowed us down there a bit.
Now that Saddam has fallen, everyone else will follow suit....

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

That last quote wasnt me.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

One question Nitro: Who did the Japanese get the idea/motive to attack and expand from?

 

[Ethereal]

Nitro,
I'll make this real short, America did not go to war with Iraq over oil.
Oil was only a perk to something much bigger.
The purpose was to bring Capitalism to the Arab/Muslim world.
It's all globalization, Saddam kind of slowed us down there a bit.
Now that Saddam has fallen, everyone else will follow suit....

Well I'm sort of going off what many of your guys opposing the invasion have said, I'm sure it was a little more complex than oil.

One question Nitro: Who did the Japanese get the idea/motive to attack and expand from?

Germany.

 

[mExIcaNox4]

Japan attacked China 1st which cause China to lose its civil war n become a communist country