Droppin Nukes on Japan in WWII

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we are doing a debate for this in history class.... what are yall's opinion of it?


i think we shoulda let them know what kinda weapon we had before we dropped it..... the potsdam declaration said we would totally ruin them, but im sure they were thinkin more along the lines of a mass invasion..... not some bomb with the capability to level whole cities.......

but then again they did send it back and basicaly said fuck you......


what do you think?
 
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Please feel free to correct any innaccurate historical recounts, for its been a while since I've hit the WWII history books.

However, I think that we dropped the A-Bomb in Japan is b/c we had the technology and an excuse to use it.

Meaning, we spent a multitude of years and resources to develope the atom bomb. By the time it was ready for 'practical use' on the Germans, whom it was intended for, Nazi Germany was already liberated. The Japanese invaded 'our soil' w/ the Pearl Harbor attacks, & w/ the right propaganda employed it served as the perfect excuse and/or justification nuke 'em. We had an idea of the magnitude of damage it would cause, but disregarded it in order to self serve our omnipresent global force and power. I could be mistaken, or right on the mark... that's my 2 cents though...


Respect
 
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@Jomodo-

i think it sounds more like we had developed it, and spend sooooo much on the research and testing out in NM, that we basically had to use it... i mean, they spend something like 20 billion or something back in '45 on it, which has got to be close to , what, 100 billion now?


@2-0-sixx

you really think they knew what the effects would be on the future generations before they dropped it? i would have to disagree, they only tested one before they dropped the initial one at Hiroshima, they knew how destructive it would be, yes, but i dont know if they knew the effects the radioactivity would have especially on future generations.... and the second one they dropped on Nagasaki, was a plutonium based bomb which they had'nt even tested.... i guess its hard to say...

those pictures do justice to the suffering of the people tho, you see i am debating against the bomb, so i might have to print those out.... good shit :)

the craziest thing i've ever seen was we were watching a documentary on it, it said at the time of the blast it momentarily reached 1,000,000 degrees fahrenheit.... it was so hot that shadows were permanantly burned into the ground...
 
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another way to think about it:

the US was prepared to invade the mainland of Japan with 2,000,000 soldiers, which would have undoubtebly been the bloodiest battle ever with the highest casualty rates the world has ever seen...... some ppl would argue that the bombings actually SAVED lives as opposed to invasion....
 
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-TiM C- said:
some ppl would argue that the bombings actually SAVED lives as opposed to invasion....
thats the dumbest shit ive heard , truman could of negociated with them ,at the end of the war that was japans main reason for staying in the war so the USA would negociate with them the mentality of the japaneese was not to surrender , if the US government said okay we wanna stop fighting lets talk, the war would of ended.
 
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Jomodo said:
Please feel free to correct any innaccurate historical recounts, for its been a while since I've hit the WWII history books.

However, I think that we dropped the A-Bomb in Japan is b/c we had the technology and an excuse to use it.

Meaning, we spent a multitude of years and resources to develope the atom bomb. By the time it was ready for 'practical use' on the Germans, whom it was intended for, Nazi Germany was already liberated. The Japanese invaded 'our soil' w/ the Pearl Harbor attacks, & w/ the right propaganda employed it served as the perfect excuse and/or justification nuke 'em. We had an idea of the magnitude of damage it would cause, but disregarded it in order to self serve our omnipresent global force and power. I could be mistaken, or right on the mark... that's my 2 cents though...
or we could have used it to save 100's of thousands of our soldiers lives
 
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-TiM C- said:
another way to think about it:

the US was prepared to invade the mainland of Japan with 2,000,000 soldiers, which would have undoubtebly been the bloodiest battle ever with the highest casualty rates the world has ever seen...... some ppl would argue that the bombings actually SAVED lives as opposed to invasion....
ya, that^^^ or at the very least saved alote of American lives
 
Jul 24, 2002
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I think droppin those two H-bombs was the biggest "Bitch Move" in the history of humanity.
I've been sucka-punched before, even attacked from behind, jumped etc....
But all of that takes a backseat to this.

The irony behind this is that America has been paranoid of being attacked by nukes ever since.
Lets not forget that what goes around comes around.
It's only a matter of time before our past comes back to haunt us....
Call this a prophecy, a guess, or prediction. What ever floats your boat, but it's only a matter of time before it happens....
 
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My take on this is that the U.S. should have told Japan they developed a nuke that would wipe out a city, then let them decide their own fate. I'm all for retaliation after the invasion of Pearl Harbor, even if that means nuking them, but they should have made aware of how extreme the circumstances were before they wiped out a couple hundred thousand lives. Innocent civilians died, yes, cry me a fucking river, it wasn't all troops that died in Pearl Harbor you know, a shitload of civilians died during the invasion, but not a damn one of you mentioned that in your retard anti-american posts. And yes, it is anti-american for that exact reason.

2-0-Sixx said:
Not only did the U.S punish innocent Japanese civillians during the war, they punished future generations as well.
The Japanese didn't punish any U.S. civilians during the war? (oops!)

2-0-Sixx said:
They were well aware of the effects the bomb would have.
I'm sure they were fully aware of the damage it would do to the country once detonated. I believe the purpose of it was to cause as much destruction as possible, just like the Japanese did to Pearl Harbor (which you have not mentioned in this thread). I would however, like to see proof that they knew people would be dying of cancer over 50 years later.

YOuNg WiNo said:
thats the dumbest shit ive heard , truman could of negociated with them ,at the end of the war that was japans main reason for staying in the war so the USA would negociate with them the mentality of the japaneese was not to surrender , if the US government said okay we wanna stop fighting lets talk, the war would of ended.
He could have negotiated with them?! They attacked without notice, and they did so to expand their territory, not because they wanted to negotiate. They wanted to take over Hawaii and make it a part of their country, fuck everything else. As far as I am concerned, this entire war was over territory. Germany wanted to take over the world, Japan wanted parts of the U.S.

miggidy said:
I think droppin those two H-bombs was the biggest "Bitch Move" in the history of humanity.
How is that so? On the one hand you have Japan who attacked our soil killing civilians without warning. On the other hand, you have the United States, who in defense of it's own land, sent a message to Japan--and if my memory serves me correctly--which explicitly stated, "surrender now or suffer complete and utter destruction". Japan said fuck off, and 80,000 died. We sent another message and got the same reply. Another, what, 70,000 dead? After that bomb they gave up. How are you going to label this the biggest bitch move when:

1. It was in self defense.
2. They were warned of the consequences.

Seems to me the biggest bitch move in history was either when Japan invaded Pearl Harbor or when those Saudi's slammed planes into the WTC towers.

miggidy said:
The irony behind this is that America has been paranoid of being attacked by nukes ever since.
Lets not forget that what goes around comes around.
It's only a matter of time before our past comes back to haunt us.... Call this a prophecy, a guess, or prediction. What ever floats your boat, but it's only a matter of time before it happens....
BAH. The same can be said for half the worlds nations.







Click here for more images of Japan attacking American soil.
http://gohawaii.about.com/cs/photogalleries/a/pearl_photos.htm
 
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Wow, I didn’t see this coming. Mcleanhatch and Nitro once again defending the slaughter of thousands of civilians.

Umm, Nitro. Can you tell me how many civilians died in Pearl Harbor? Now, can you tell me how many civilians died in Japan? Are American lives worth more the Japanese lives? Did Japan attack a military base for strategic reasons or did they attack a city for maximum casualties?

Nitro, there is a HUGE difference between Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima/Nagasaki and you know it. Don’t try to compare the two. Japanese attacked warships that were manned by American sailors; it did not target civilians. Out of the 2,000 or so that died in Pearl Harbor, how many were civilian? Out of the 200,000+ in Japan, how many were civilian?

The goal for this raid had not been a military installation but rather an entire city. The atomic bomb that exploded over Hiroshima killed civilian women and children in addition to soldiers. Hiroshima's population has been estimated at 350,000; approximately 70,000 died immediately from the explosion and another 70,000 died from radiation within five years and who knows after that.

Do you even know why Hiroshima and Nagasaki were selected as the towns to destroy? Simply because they had been untouched during the war. The Target Committee wanted the first bomb to be "sufficiently spectacular for the importance of the weapon to be internationally recognized when publicity on it was released."

Many people were against dropping bombs on Japan. The Navy and many others proposed that its ongoing blockade of Japan would eventually force them to surrender. No bloodshed required.

I also want to point out that what America did was illegal, not that Nitro ever gave a shit about that. 1) The intentional bombing of civilian populations is illegal;
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
How is that so? On the one hand you have Japan who attacked our soil killing civilians without warning. On the other hand, you have the United States, who in defense of it's own land, sent a message to Japan--and if my memory serves me correctly--which explicitly stated, "surrender now or suffer complete and utter destruction". Japan said fuck off, and 80,000 died. We sent another message and got the same reply. Another, what, 70,000 dead? After that bomb they gave up. How are you going to label this the biggest bitch move when:

1. It was in self defense.
2. They were warned of the consequences.

Seems to me the biggest bitch move in history was either when Japan invaded Pearl Harbor or when those Saudi's slammed planes into the WTC towers.
Aside from the lunacy of comparing both attacks simply because there is no comparison, the Japanese did not attack civilian cities....

You cannot use the excuse that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor with out warning.
"We" knew they were going to attack ahead of time.
The same people who decided to drop 2 hydrogen bombs on thousands of innocent women and children also decided to sacrifice hundreds of their own "boys" (AKA pawns) stationed in Pearl Harbor.

These are the actions of pure "evil"....



Nitro the Guru said:

BAH. The same can be said for half the worlds nations.
Ok name one country who has used nukes on another country and is now paranoid tryin to police the creation of nukes by other countries all over the world?