Don't like Unions? I hope you'll be going to work tomorrow to support your opinion.
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Labour Day has been celebrated on the first Monday in September in Canada since the 1880s. The origins of Labour Day in Canada can be traced back to April 14, 1872 when a parade was staged in support of the Toronto Typographical Union's strike for a 58-hour work-week.[1] The Toronto Trades Assembly (TTA) called its 27 unions to demonstrate in support of the Typographical Union who had been on strike since March 25.[1] George Brown, Canadian politician and editor of the Toronto Globe hit back at his striking employees, pressing police to charge the Typographical Union with "conspiracy."[1] Although the laws criminalising union activity were outdated and had already been abolished in Great Britain, they were still on books in Canada and police arrested 24 leaders of the Typographical Union. Labour leaders decided to call another similar demonstration on September 3 to protest the arrests. Seven unions marched in Ottawa, prompting a promise by Canadian Prime Minister Sir John A. Macdonald to repeal the "barbarous" anti-union laws.[1] Parliament passed the Trade Union Act on June 14 the following year, and soon all unions were demanding a 54-hour work-week.
The Toronto Trades and Labour Council (successor to the TTA) held similar celebrations every spring. American Peter J. McGuire, co-founder of the American Federation of Labor, was asked to speak at a labour festival in Toronto, Canada on July 22, 1882. Returning to the United States, McGuire and the Knights of Labor organised a similar parade based on the Canadian event on September 5, 1882 in New York City, USA. On July 23, 1894, Canadian Prime Minister John Thompson and his government made Labour Day, to be held in September, an official holiday. In the United States, the New York parade became an annual event that year, and in 1894 was adopted by American president Grover Cleveland to compete with International Workers' Day (May Day).
While Labour Day parades and picnics are organised by unions, many Canadians regard Labour Day as the Monday of the last long weekend of summer. Non-union celebrations include picnics, fireworks displays, water activities, and public art events. Since the new school year generally starts right after Labour Day, families with school-age children take it as the last chance to travel before the end of summer.
An old custom prohibits the wearing of white after Labour Day. The explanations for this tradition range from the fact that white clothes are worse protection against cold weather in the winter to the fact that the rule was intended as a status symbol for new members of the middle class in the late 19th century and early 20th century.[1][2]
A Labour Day tradition in Atlantic Canada would be the Wharf Rat Rally, while the rest of Canada is watching Labour Day Classic, Canadian Football League event where rivals like Calgary Stampeders and Edmonton Eskimos, Hamilton Tiger-Cats and Toronto Argonauts, and Saskatchewan Roughriders and Winnipeg Blue Bombers play on Labour Day weekend. Before the demise of the Ottawa Renegades after the 2005 season, that team played the nearby Montreal Alouettes on Labour Day weekend. Since then, the Alouettes have played the remaining team in the league, the BC Lions.
Labour Day parade in Grand Falls-Windsor Newfoundland started in 1910 and still continues today, 99 years later. The celebrations go on for three days with the parade on Labour Day Monday.
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The Toronto Trades and Labour Council (successor to the TTA) held similar celebrations every spring. American Peter J. McGuire, co-founder of the American Federation of Labor, was asked to speak at a labour festival in Toronto, Canada on July 22, 1882. Returning to the United States, McGuire and the Knights of Labor organised a similar parade based on the Canadian event on September 5, 1882 in New York City, USA. On July 23, 1894, Canadian Prime Minister John Thompson and his government made Labour Day, to be held in September, an official holiday. In the United States, the New York parade became an annual event that year, and in 1894 was adopted by American president Grover Cleveland to compete with International Workers' Day (May Day).
While Labour Day parades and picnics are organised by unions, many Canadians regard Labour Day as the Monday of the last long weekend of summer. Non-union celebrations include picnics, fireworks displays, water activities, and public art events. Since the new school year generally starts right after Labour Day, families with school-age children take it as the last chance to travel before the end of summer.
An old custom prohibits the wearing of white after Labour Day. The explanations for this tradition range from the fact that white clothes are worse protection against cold weather in the winter to the fact that the rule was intended as a status symbol for new members of the middle class in the late 19th century and early 20th century.[1][2]
A Labour Day tradition in Atlantic Canada would be the Wharf Rat Rally, while the rest of Canada is watching Labour Day Classic, Canadian Football League event where rivals like Calgary Stampeders and Edmonton Eskimos, Hamilton Tiger-Cats and Toronto Argonauts, and Saskatchewan Roughriders and Winnipeg Blue Bombers play on Labour Day weekend. Before the demise of the Ottawa Renegades after the 2005 season, that team played the nearby Montreal Alouettes on Labour Day weekend. Since then, the Alouettes have played the remaining team in the league, the BC Lions.
Labour Day parade in Grand Falls-Windsor Newfoundland started in 1910 and still continues today, 99 years later. The celebrations go on for three days with the parade on Labour Day Monday.
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My company is cool with vacation and personal time. I'm currently sitting at 208 fucking hours banked. Next year I'm taking a long road trip. I don't have to work Christmas Day or Thanksgiving but they are paid which is cool. We still get double time for Christmas Eve, as well as the day before thanksgiving too which I don't mind working either. We also get paid extra for 4th of july, labor day, new years day and a few others that I cannot remember right now. Whatever makes them checks fatter is cool with me.
Unions for profitable companies....good thing. Keeps management honest, and makes sure that Employee Salaries don't go down just so Dividends can go up. Its funny when companies like FedEx complain about the "threat" of being Unionized and simultaneously point to how hugely successful a unionized UPS is, but yet, bitch openly about how being unionized will give them a severe disadvantage. (So Which one is it, cocksuckers?)
Unions for unprofitable companies....recipe for disaster. It makes it absolutely critical to negotiate lower per-hour rates and other concessions, but even that should only be a temporary measure to ensure the company returns to profitability....at which point, again, employee salaries should go back up before the dividend is restored.
I say these things as both a Union employee at one of my jobs, and non-Union at the other. My Part-time benefits are possibly better than most people on this board's Full Time ones...and it would be more or less impossible for a non-Union PT job to match.
If you are considering joining a company that is unionized, and you don't like the fact that it is...here's an idea: Go Fuck Yourself. Eat a fat dick. Have your fill at the all-you-can-fellate buffet.
You motherfuckers are worse than the pussy asses that, every year, say "If so-and-so is elected, or if such-and-such legislation is passed, I'm moving to another country"...and here you still are...same talentless, gutless nobody that no other country would even want.
Get your skills up, and get the fuck out. Don't like seeing titties, don't read Playboy. Don't like sweating--stay the fuck out of the gym. Don't like unions, don't work for a unionized company.
I'd rather be overpaid than try to pay for my rent with Pride--which, by the way, is not an accepted form of currency for most landlords.
Unions for unprofitable companies....recipe for disaster. It makes it absolutely critical to negotiate lower per-hour rates and other concessions, but even that should only be a temporary measure to ensure the company returns to profitability....at which point, again, employee salaries should go back up before the dividend is restored.
I say these things as both a Union employee at one of my jobs, and non-Union at the other. My Part-time benefits are possibly better than most people on this board's Full Time ones...and it would be more or less impossible for a non-Union PT job to match.
If you are considering joining a company that is unionized, and you don't like the fact that it is...here's an idea: Go Fuck Yourself. Eat a fat dick. Have your fill at the all-you-can-fellate buffet.
You motherfuckers are worse than the pussy asses that, every year, say "If so-and-so is elected, or if such-and-such legislation is passed, I'm moving to another country"...and here you still are...same talentless, gutless nobody that no other country would even want.
Get your skills up, and get the fuck out. Don't like seeing titties, don't read Playboy. Don't like sweating--stay the fuck out of the gym. Don't like unions, don't work for a unionized company.
I'd rather be overpaid than try to pay for my rent with Pride--which, by the way, is not an accepted form of currency for most landlords.
It's likely they made less.
This I dont understand also - wouldn't someone making more be more incentivized to work harder and get more done?
I think in some cases unionization leads to seniority and your ability to "get with the program" superceding the quality of work you perform.
Of course I've held the majority of my jobs in San Francisco - definitely a union stronghold and a city extremely deferential to bureacracy and whistle-blowing as opposed to results.
This I dont understand also - wouldn't someone making more be more incentivized to work harder and get more done?
I think in some cases unionization leads to seniority and your ability to "get with the program" superceding the quality of work you perform.
Of course I've held the majority of my jobs in San Francisco - definitely a union stronghold and a city extremely deferential to bureacracy and whistle-blowing as opposed to results.
i work at a union heavy job, and it's sickening to see the amount of fucking laziness from people who are basically stealing their money every day. taking fucking a cigarette pack's worth of breaks, every fucking day. i cannot wait to get out of there to a place that pays for performance, get that real cash.
unions can, and do, make businesses less profitable. unions make the end product for a business more expensive, adding labor costs. in a global economy, we cannot compete if the fat and lazy workers insist on being fat and lazy. there are mothafuckas in asia RIGHT NOW that are hungrier than you and i. and it's showing, and will continue showing for years to come.
unions, personally speaking, symbolize the bloated entitlement that has infected some Americans' mind sets. their purpose is nil in this day and age.
unions can, and do, make businesses less profitable. unions make the end product for a business more expensive, adding labor costs. in a global economy, we cannot compete if the fat and lazy workers insist on being fat and lazy. there are mothafuckas in asia RIGHT NOW that are hungrier than you and i. and it's showing, and will continue showing for years to come.
unions, personally speaking, symbolize the bloated entitlement that has infected some Americans' mind sets. their purpose is nil in this day and age.
Care to explain how a Union-overloaded UPS is so highly profitable and monstrously large, while non-union FedEx can barely get a foothold in Ground shipments, surviving almost exclusively on the rapidly-declining Overnight market?
And of course, there are many more examples. When companies like GM and Chrysler fail, its not so much that the Unions are driving them out of business.....it's that they are being run by complete morons. They're so infatuated with SUVs and other $30K automobiles that they've lost touch with the average American consumer.
Perfect example of large corporations having absolutely no foresight. After the dot-com bubble burst in 2000 and the market took HEAVY losses, leading to a recession....they should have known then and there to start shrinking the cars/trucks and making them more fuel efficient. But what did they do instead? Same ol' shit. Fast forward to the housing bubble bursting, and then they act shocked--SHOCKED!--that 2000-2001 happened all over again.
This thread isn't really about Union vs Non-Union, its about poorly-managed companies vs intelligent ones. Poorly-managed companies do infinitely better with non-union labor because they can convince people they're a part of something larger, and at the same time, pay them SUBSTANTIALLY LESS than what they are worth.
You may feel like Union jobs pay too much, but the real question you should be asking is, why don't non-Union jobs pay more? Whats the difference between a low-paying salary with performance incentives.....and a fair, guaranteed salary? You're telling me you'd rather be T.O. than Revis because it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?
Might I suggest that you, blunt_hogg559, work at a what I like to call "30 year pace", instead of being (naturally) the biggest hogg and hardest worker ever, ever in the history of the company you work for? Only a naive moron would give 150% when 60% or more will keep you from being written up. From there, its up to management to convince you that working hard is good for EVERYONE....not just for their checkbook.
And of course, there are many more examples. When companies like GM and Chrysler fail, its not so much that the Unions are driving them out of business.....it's that they are being run by complete morons. They're so infatuated with SUVs and other $30K automobiles that they've lost touch with the average American consumer.
Perfect example of large corporations having absolutely no foresight. After the dot-com bubble burst in 2000 and the market took HEAVY losses, leading to a recession....they should have known then and there to start shrinking the cars/trucks and making them more fuel efficient. But what did they do instead? Same ol' shit. Fast forward to the housing bubble bursting, and then they act shocked--SHOCKED!--that 2000-2001 happened all over again.
This thread isn't really about Union vs Non-Union, its about poorly-managed companies vs intelligent ones. Poorly-managed companies do infinitely better with non-union labor because they can convince people they're a part of something larger, and at the same time, pay them SUBSTANTIALLY LESS than what they are worth.
You may feel like Union jobs pay too much, but the real question you should be asking is, why don't non-Union jobs pay more? Whats the difference between a low-paying salary with performance incentives.....and a fair, guaranteed salary? You're telling me you'd rather be T.O. than Revis because it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?
Might I suggest that you, blunt_hogg559, work at a what I like to call "30 year pace", instead of being (naturally) the biggest hogg and hardest worker ever, ever in the history of the company you work for? Only a naive moron would give 150% when 60% or more will keep you from being written up. From there, its up to management to convince you that working hard is good for EVERYONE....not just for their checkbook.
