Does anyone disbelieve in God but believe in the Spiritual Realm?
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I have always believed in God, divinity, higher power, all knowing unseen force, universal connectivity, whatever you want to call it.
Lately I've been learning more (a lot from this board, but also from other sources) about different approaches to religion, spirituality, and accepting the absence of.
I had an experience lately that reinforced my belief in a further dimension, the spiritual realm. I believe there are forces (entities or energies) at work that we cannot under normal circumstances perceive, and will not ever be able to perceive or detect with any scientific rationality.
Have any of the atheists on here had out of body or transcendental experiences in the supernatural? Would you say the experience was merely psychosomatic?
Lately I've been learning more (a lot from this board, but also from other sources) about different approaches to religion, spirituality, and accepting the absence of.
I had an experience lately that reinforced my belief in a further dimension, the spiritual realm. I believe there are forces (entities or energies) at work that we cannot under normal circumstances perceive, and will not ever be able to perceive or detect with any scientific rationality.
Have any of the atheists on here had out of body or transcendental experiences in the supernatural? Would you say the experience was merely psychosomatic?
no reliable records of "out of body" and "transcendental" experiences are available as far as I know
even if there were such observations, the simplest explanation will always be that nothing like that happened and these are "artefacts" arising in the brain under certain conditions
end of discussion
even if there were such observations, the simplest explanation will always be that nothing like that happened and these are "artefacts" arising in the brain under certain conditions
end of discussion
99.99% of people who I have ever met in my life who have had 'mystical' experiences were the type who were prone to believe in them anyway. That shit never occurs on its own.
"Well if they are more open to it of course it is more likely to happen"
Bullshit. I see the same thing with Christians about "the voice of God". You want to believe in it, you have been taught it exists, you tell yourself it exists AND (this is the "glue" of supernatural experiences) you believe that only if you open yourself up to it (give yourself to Jesus, open your mind with meditation, etc etc) will you experience it.
So you sit around and "spiritually seek" these sort of experiences - the whole time all you are basically doing is having a contest between the side of you that knows the truth (this is all bullshit) and what you want to believe (it isnt).
That is what having faith is all about; letting the side of you that says "This is obviously bullshit" subordinate to the side that says "If only I have faith and try, I think I can" like Thomas the religious tank engine.
"Well if they are more open to it of course it is more likely to happen"
Bullshit. I see the same thing with Christians about "the voice of God". You want to believe in it, you have been taught it exists, you tell yourself it exists AND (this is the "glue" of supernatural experiences) you believe that only if you open yourself up to it (give yourself to Jesus, open your mind with meditation, etc etc) will you experience it.
So you sit around and "spiritually seek" these sort of experiences - the whole time all you are basically doing is having a contest between the side of you that knows the truth (this is all bullshit) and what you want to believe (it isnt).
That is what having faith is all about; letting the side of you that says "This is obviously bullshit" subordinate to the side that says "If only I have faith and try, I think I can" like Thomas the religious tank engine.
Just like when you believed in GOD/Jesus for a short amount when you had cancer? Now that the cancer has either been eliminated or been limited, you choose to live freely and deny him. *smh*
You know God's there, some people choose to reject Jesus/God when all things are good. When all things are bad, they come back to him praying. Some people leave the faith because they feel they are subjected to something they know is there, but because it's not of the 5 senses they think it's stupid or illogical to feel subjected the to invisible.
PS:ThaG, don't even reply in this thread or you will contradict what you have stated in my sig!
You know God's there, some people choose to reject Jesus/God when all things are good. When all things are bad, they come back to him praying. Some people leave the faith because they feel they are subjected to something they know is there, but because it's not of the 5 senses they think it's stupid or illogical to feel subjected the to invisible.
PS:ThaG, don't even reply in this thread or you will contradict what you have stated in my sig!
Yes and No. I believe if God made weed, there was a purpose for it, maybe it was to make people happy in leave them is a state of self bliss. Maybe there's a more spiritual aspect to it. No because some drugs make people delusional, thinking they have a spiritual connection when it's toxins in the brain making them believe so.
Yeah God made weed because it was going to the Adams and Eves reward...
I think if hey would have obyed in the garden of eden.
They would have been allowed to eat from the tree of life..and live forever..
THEN god would tell them they could eat from the knowledge of good and bad tree.. BUT only after they past the test..
BUT THen since they were such good little kids.. God would bless them with the magical tree of WEED.. and the magic leaf of coke.. Then they would always be in a state of high bliss.. and since they would be perfect and eternal. they would never get health probs or get old and die...
After wards God would introduce.. the magic potion of the mystical wine.. that when combined with weed would elevate adam and eve and their offspring to the level of angels. and live happily ever after in castles in the sky.. and fly all over the world. and be high off weed.. and live foever.. and never have problems like war.. hate or.. poverty....
But NO they damm devil has to ruin it all and then make people get old and die..!
I will be happy when the devils head gets cut off on the last day. It will be a sight to behold! Cause once he died we can go back to being eternal like we were supposed to in the first place. and just kick back and smoke weed everday.. like god intended.
One thing I always thought was funny is how Jehovah's witnesses say the DEVIL made weed.. and that's its evil since the devil created that plant...
Yeah like the devil can create plants.. he ONLY has desctrutive poweres..he can't create anything.. expect slight of hand.. magical illusions...
thanks.
And I believe in god. And also the devil. But the devil was a dummy and totally ruined the balance of the universe...
I think if hey would have obyed in the garden of eden.
They would have been allowed to eat from the tree of life..and live forever..
THEN god would tell them they could eat from the knowledge of good and bad tree.. BUT only after they past the test..
BUT THen since they were such good little kids.. God would bless them with the magical tree of WEED.. and the magic leaf of coke.. Then they would always be in a state of high bliss.. and since they would be perfect and eternal. they would never get health probs or get old and die...
After wards God would introduce.. the magic potion of the mystical wine.. that when combined with weed would elevate adam and eve and their offspring to the level of angels. and live happily ever after in castles in the sky.. and fly all over the world. and be high off weed.. and live foever.. and never have problems like war.. hate or.. poverty....
But NO they damm devil has to ruin it all and then make people get old and die..!
I will be happy when the devils head gets cut off on the last day. It will be a sight to behold! Cause once he died we can go back to being eternal like we were supposed to in the first place. and just kick back and smoke weed everday.. like god intended.
One thing I always thought was funny is how Jehovah's witnesses say the DEVIL made weed.. and that's its evil since the devil created that plant...
Yeah like the devil can create plants.. he ONLY has desctrutive poweres..he can't create anything.. expect slight of hand.. magical illusions...
thanks.
And I believe in god. And also the devil. But the devil was a dummy and totally ruined the balance of the universe...
then everything you see through your eyes is subjective anyway, life, the universe, so you sayin this planet doesn't exist too because i know some people who have had outta body experiences and they could touch shit and it wasn't some "magical hocus pocus" for them at least.
i do'nt believe in god, but there's a thing called ENERGY which is in EVERY LIVING ORGANISM in the universe. that's the force that tends the light at the end of the tunnle. what's the SUN made of? ENERGY. i think certain things are connected, and others aren't. i'm somewhat "spiritual" but i would never consider myself religious...
i just...well...I AM...lol...
i do'nt believe in god, but there's a thing called ENERGY which is in EVERY LIVING ORGANISM in the universe. that's the force that tends the light at the end of the tunnle. what's the SUN made of? ENERGY. i think certain things are connected, and others aren't. i'm somewhat "spiritual" but i would never consider myself religious...
i just...well...I AM...lol...
You need evidence, that's the most fundamental scientific principle, I don't know why it's so hard to understand
What you can do is record the pattern of activity in the brain during these "experiences"
The next step would be (we don't have the technology to do it in humans yet) to artificially reproduce this pattern and see whether the experiences are the same
This would strongly argue against any supernatural explanation which is not plausible anyway as of now.
P.S: You can have such "spiritual experiences" after you take LSD. The mechanism of action is known: LSD is agonist of 5-HT1A, 5-HT2A, 5-HT2C, 5-HT5A, 5-HT5B, and 5-HT6 - all of these are G-protein coupled serotonin receptors
As you can see everything with LSD is entirely material...
Why do we need supernatural explanations for these phenomena when we have examples of them being chemically based?
What you can do is record the pattern of activity in the brain during these "experiences"
The next step would be (we don't have the technology to do it in humans yet) to artificially reproduce this pattern and see whether the experiences are the same
This would strongly argue against any supernatural explanation which is not plausible anyway as of now.
P.S: You can have such "spiritual experiences" after you take LSD. The mechanism of action is known: LSD is agonist of 5-HT1A, 5-HT2A, 5-HT2C, 5-HT5A, 5-HT5B, and 5-HT6 - all of these are G-protein coupled serotonin receptors
As you can see everything with LSD is entirely material...
Why do we need supernatural explanations for these phenomena when we have examples of them being chemically based?
