Do you think that all these disses and battles are helping the NW music scene?
- Thread starter Mr. D-Sane
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We need to stick together! When you decide to click up wit cat's you have to view your crew not only as a team but as a Family also QUIT DOIN YOUR OWN PEOPLES WRONG. The NorthWest definetly has some talented people and it's only a matter of time before we really get it crackin in the NW. People really need to put ALL BULLSHIT ASIDE and come together to make some tight music and some money. What does that look like when folks in Vegas is sayin: "Oh them NW cat's is always beefin wit each other".......Hmmmm
i think this a forum, a place where beefs get there neutrients...i think everyone walks around thinking they are the tightest, there are the realest of all people and everybody else is hating...most of the times people keeps these feelings in the closet kind of like racist people, but under the right lighting the truth will reveal itself as mold, or better known as a fungas...
for years people have said the NW will blow up, i have managed to stay around to watch the originators come and go, now the next generation is starting to come and go...i think these forums give people a glance into what this business is really about....its plagued with ego, politics, and few genuine people who really want to spread love, and groom new artists.
i think the battles are good entertainment and they do attract attention, that why young krime and shaolin keep trying to become apart of the bullet and dog battle... dog has stated the battle has hurt him if anything, bu8t for me, i am up to 225 hits a day on my mp3 site which obviously means if it is done right it can propell your mission...this a great building block for my next record, but it is time consuming....on the flip side, a lot more people now hear my music, and take me more serious, because before round 1 i think people assumed dog had a easy target...
i think a lot of people outside our region find it ammusing...we are fightening and bickering over shit that don't exist...there is no throne for a washington state rapper to sit on....nobody is sellin enough records...
for years people have said the NW will blow up, i have managed to stay around to watch the originators come and go, now the next generation is starting to come and go...i think these forums give people a glance into what this business is really about....its plagued with ego, politics, and few genuine people who really want to spread love, and groom new artists.
i think the battles are good entertainment and they do attract attention, that why young krime and shaolin keep trying to become apart of the bullet and dog battle... dog has stated the battle has hurt him if anything, bu8t for me, i am up to 225 hits a day on my mp3 site which obviously means if it is done right it can propell your mission...this a great building block for my next record, but it is time consuming....on the flip side, a lot more people now hear my music, and take me more serious, because before round 1 i think people assumed dog had a easy target...
i think a lot of people outside our region find it ammusing...we are fightening and bickering over shit that don't exist...there is no throne for a washington state rapper to sit on....nobody is sellin enough records...
@Bullet ... I feel you & I don't feel you! Your right alot of rappers come and go but I dont feel you on the beef issue...I feel alot of the reasons cats come and go is because of alot of the beef....The Northwest would be sitting on a throne if all the tight cat's from the NW would put down their ego's for a minute, forget about how much money they wanna make, put some straight heart in it, come together and run this shit and just focus on making some GOOD MUSIC...The money will follow, thare aint no denying what is tight! Alot of Artist's want to "GET SIGNED"....Could you emagine what could happen if cats from the NW got together, devoted all their time & money and got REALLY serious about this shit & started a NORTHWEST LABEL....people don't wanna come together it's all about self-gratitude...ME ME ME... what do "I" get out of it...... Then when you get on top keep pullen folks up with you so that when or if you do fall you got someone else on top to pull you back up! I've talked to cat's about comming together and doin shit but either they don't take me serious, bullshit or they only care about themselves.....Personally I don't even want to be from a label that's in another state.......I wanna represent NW to the fullest! We got alot of tight cat's out here WIT STR8 HEAT that aint even being heard.....
The Positive will always Overpower the Negative.. but this is real life. And real life isnt all sunshine and roses.
The Northwest has so many talented artists and being from where I'm from I was never really exposed to how many there are until recently. It would be cool to be able to get everyone together and get some work done.... i just dont know that its really realistic.
You can say to put away the ego's... but every artist has their feathers out, believing in their heart of hearts that THEY ARE THE BEST... sure, I think beefs could be handled differently but unless its MY battle, who am I to judge?
I dont think battles hurt the Northwest unless they are taken to another level and grown ass men starting putting hands on each other...
Kalyn
The Northwest has so many talented artists and being from where I'm from I was never really exposed to how many there are until recently. It would be cool to be able to get everyone together and get some work done.... i just dont know that its really realistic.
You can say to put away the ego's... but every artist has their feathers out, believing in their heart of hearts that THEY ARE THE BEST... sure, I think beefs could be handled differently but unless its MY battle, who am I to judge?
I dont think battles hurt the Northwest unless they are taken to another level and grown ass men starting putting hands on each other...
Kalyn
I chose yes.
The NW elite riide each others' dicks so much, its PATHETIC. All the same producers, all the same Bay area guests....all these cd's look like they're comin from a cookie cutter, with the only difference being another no-name artist with no battle credibility behind it!!
As soon as Bullet and DOG's CDs came out, i would have talked a GANG of shit about how OTHER people "should" buy them....now im actually gonna cop em myself! Within 2-3 day time frames, they had tracks done like it wasnt SHIT....and THATS what i look for!
Not sayin everyone should run out and pick a fight......but this NW game is stale, for real. And a few tight releases wont change that...
The NW elite riide each others' dicks so much, its PATHETIC. All the same producers, all the same Bay area guests....all these cd's look like they're comin from a cookie cutter, with the only difference being another no-name artist with no battle credibility behind it!!
As soon as Bullet and DOG's CDs came out, i would have talked a GANG of shit about how OTHER people "should" buy them....now im actually gonna cop em myself! Within 2-3 day time frames, they had tracks done like it wasnt SHIT....and THATS what i look for!
Not sayin everyone should run out and pick a fight......but this NW game is stale, for real. And a few tight releases wont change that...
You're very wrong here. Success in the music industry isn't about "good music", it's about marketing a total package and the ability to create a demand. Those are completely different things. There is countless amounts good music out there that the money never followed because of what I just said. Business is about peoples ability to hustle products to consumers, not about having the best product to sell.
Most of these cats barely have enough mouthpiece to move club-skanks much less build a successful company in the midst of cutthroats & savages in business suits.
You can't expect people to invest their time & money and then not be concerned with what they get in return. Throwing time & money away is stupid unless you have endless amounts of it (and even then I would still argue that it's stupid). Is this a serious business or just an expensive hobby? Realistically it's the second choice for most people by default because they just don't have the resources and know-how for it to be anything else.
There is only so much room in the spotlight. It's a nice vision to picture everyone on top but in the real world it will never happen. Humans are competitive by nature and there will *always* be someone trying to take what you have. You *have to* watch out for your best interests because if you don't, you are going to get fucked. The only question is when and how hard. Business isn't a place where people hold hands and sing songs around a campfire, it's a world where you either bite or get bit.
Truthfully, most people in this business arn't going to take you serious because female rappers arn't exactly a hot ticket item if you know what I mean. Truthfully, you are going to have to work atleast twice as hard as your male counterpart to accomplish the same thing. The music industry (and the business world in general) is male-dominated. Let the truth be told, rappers in general are not a hot commodity, they come a dime a hundred-dozen. Tight lyrics don't sell albums, an image and packaging does. Just keeping it real, I don't mean you to be offended by it.
Again, it's not about having tight lyrics. It's about having tight hustle and most of these cats just don't have that (as much as they would like to think they do).
I agree that more unity between NW rappers will help but it's not "the answer" by a long shot. Cats need to be more educated about how the game is played, or for that matter what the game *is* in the first place.
Unfortunately I see a lot of these rappers with the attitude that being a rapper is an easy way (in their minds) for them to dodge getting a real education and/or having to work a 9-5. They don't respect the music and they don't respect the game. When you add that together it doesn't equal success. Not everyone can be the superstar rapper/CEO/producer/whatever. Cats needs to accept where they fit in and accept where they don't.
What the NW really needs is for people to start being realistic about things. The problem is that nobody wants to admit (or accept) that they are best as the janitor.
Most of these cats barely have enough mouthpiece to move club-skanks much less build a successful company in the midst of cutthroats & savages in business suits.
You can't expect people to invest their time & money and then not be concerned with what they get in return. Throwing time & money away is stupid unless you have endless amounts of it (and even then I would still argue that it's stupid). Is this a serious business or just an expensive hobby? Realistically it's the second choice for most people by default because they just don't have the resources and know-how for it to be anything else.
There is only so much room in the spotlight. It's a nice vision to picture everyone on top but in the real world it will never happen. Humans are competitive by nature and there will *always* be someone trying to take what you have. You *have to* watch out for your best interests because if you don't, you are going to get fucked. The only question is when and how hard. Business isn't a place where people hold hands and sing songs around a campfire, it's a world where you either bite or get bit.
Truthfully, most people in this business arn't going to take you serious because female rappers arn't exactly a hot ticket item if you know what I mean. Truthfully, you are going to have to work atleast twice as hard as your male counterpart to accomplish the same thing. The music industry (and the business world in general) is male-dominated. Let the truth be told, rappers in general are not a hot commodity, they come a dime a hundred-dozen. Tight lyrics don't sell albums, an image and packaging does. Just keeping it real, I don't mean you to be offended by it.
Again, it's not about having tight lyrics. It's about having tight hustle and most of these cats just don't have that (as much as they would like to think they do).
I agree that more unity between NW rappers will help but it's not "the answer" by a long shot. Cats need to be more educated about how the game is played, or for that matter what the game *is* in the first place.
Unfortunately I see a lot of these rappers with the attitude that being a rapper is an easy way (in their minds) for them to dodge getting a real education and/or having to work a 9-5. They don't respect the music and they don't respect the game. When you add that together it doesn't equal success. Not everyone can be the superstar rapper/CEO/producer/whatever. Cats needs to accept where they fit in and accept where they don't.
What the NW really needs is for people to start being realistic about things. The problem is that nobody wants to admit (or accept) that they are best as the janitor.
@Sic Wit It:
1)Success in the music biz isnt about "GOOD MUSIC" ...* EXACTLLY thats why some artists have an album of 21 songs w/ 3 or 4 good hits.
2)There is countless amounts good music out there that the money never followed because of what I just said. ...*This is why u have 2 be serious about it & devote all u have into doin it.!
3)Business is about peoples ability 2 hustle products 2 consumers, not about having the best product 2 sell.
...*I never said that wasn't apart of it.
4)Most of these cats barely have enough mouthpiece 2 move club-skanks much less build a successful company in the midst of cutthroats & savages in business suits. ...*EXACTLY so why R they even rappen? Isn't rappen about ur mouth peice?
5) U cant expect people 2 invest their time & money & then not be concerned w/ what they get in return. Throwing time & money away is stupid unless u have endless amounts of it...*Did I ever say throw ur money away?
6) Is this a serious business or just an expensive hobby? ...*Did I or did I not say u need 2 be serious about ur shit?
7)Its a nice vision 2 picture everyone on top but in the real world it will never happen. ...*only because people keep tellin themselves that. U can do anything u want 2 as long as u put ur mind 2 it.
8)U *have 2* watch out 4 ur best interests because if u don't, u R going 2 get fucked. ...*U R right about this....
9) Business isnt a place where people hold hands & sing songs around a campfire, its a world where u either bite or get bit....*this is something I never said nor was this the meaning of what I had suggested.
10)Truthfully, most people in this business arnt going 2 take u serious because female rappers arnt exactly a hot ticket item if u know what I mean. Truthfully, u R going 2 have 2 work atleast twice as hard as ur male counterpart 2 accomplish the same thing. ...*Im no newbie 2 the game, I know this & can speak on this from experience.......
11)Tight lyrics dont sell albums, an image & packaging does. Just keeping it real, I dont mean u 2 be offended by it....* no offense takin Im fully aware that thare R 2 many people on the mic that suck.......
12)I agree that more unity between NW rappers will help but its not "the answer" by a long shot. ...* I never claimed that this was the answer IAM ABLE 2 SPEAK UPON MY OWN OPINIONS & VIEWS, AM I NOT?
13)Not everyone can be the superstar rapper/CEO/producer/whatever. Cats needs 2 accept where they fit in & accept where they dont....*AGREE 1000%
14)What the NW really needs is 4 people 2 start being realistic about things. The problem is that nobody wants 2 admit (or accept) that they R best as the janitor....* I also agree 1000%
ON THIS NOTE: I feel u & I both had some good veiws, on the other hand thare was no need 4 u 2 break down my opinion......If u dont agree thats cool but remember I am entitled 2 an opinion also! To live reality "IS" my motto! No matter what u or anyone else says I will always beleive if people stuck together & built a solid foundation......we would rise together.
1)Success in the music biz isnt about "GOOD MUSIC" ...* EXACTLLY thats why some artists have an album of 21 songs w/ 3 or 4 good hits.
2)There is countless amounts good music out there that the money never followed because of what I just said. ...*This is why u have 2 be serious about it & devote all u have into doin it.!
3)Business is about peoples ability 2 hustle products 2 consumers, not about having the best product 2 sell.
...*I never said that wasn't apart of it.
4)Most of these cats barely have enough mouthpiece 2 move club-skanks much less build a successful company in the midst of cutthroats & savages in business suits. ...*EXACTLY so why R they even rappen? Isn't rappen about ur mouth peice?
5) U cant expect people 2 invest their time & money & then not be concerned w/ what they get in return. Throwing time & money away is stupid unless u have endless amounts of it...*Did I ever say throw ur money away?
6) Is this a serious business or just an expensive hobby? ...*Did I or did I not say u need 2 be serious about ur shit?
7)Its a nice vision 2 picture everyone on top but in the real world it will never happen. ...*only because people keep tellin themselves that. U can do anything u want 2 as long as u put ur mind 2 it.
8)U *have 2* watch out 4 ur best interests because if u don't, u R going 2 get fucked. ...*U R right about this....
9) Business isnt a place where people hold hands & sing songs around a campfire, its a world where u either bite or get bit....*this is something I never said nor was this the meaning of what I had suggested.
10)Truthfully, most people in this business arnt going 2 take u serious because female rappers arnt exactly a hot ticket item if u know what I mean. Truthfully, u R going 2 have 2 work atleast twice as hard as ur male counterpart 2 accomplish the same thing. ...*Im no newbie 2 the game, I know this & can speak on this from experience.......
11)Tight lyrics dont sell albums, an image & packaging does. Just keeping it real, I dont mean u 2 be offended by it....* no offense takin Im fully aware that thare R 2 many people on the mic that suck.......
12)I agree that more unity between NW rappers will help but its not "the answer" by a long shot. ...* I never claimed that this was the answer IAM ABLE 2 SPEAK UPON MY OWN OPINIONS & VIEWS, AM I NOT?
13)Not everyone can be the superstar rapper/CEO/producer/whatever. Cats needs 2 accept where they fit in & accept where they dont....*AGREE 1000%
14)What the NW really needs is 4 people 2 start being realistic about things. The problem is that nobody wants 2 admit (or accept) that they R best as the janitor....* I also agree 1000%
ON THIS NOTE: I feel u & I both had some good veiws, on the other hand thare was no need 4 u 2 break down my opinion......If u dont agree thats cool but remember I am entitled 2 an opinion also! To live reality "IS" my motto! No matter what u or anyone else says I will always beleive if people stuck together & built a solid foundation......we would rise together.
I chose yes
Battles are part of hip hop and the NW needs more of them so the cats that have skills can shine. I'm not saying the cats that are put on right now don't have skills, don't get me wrong, but there are quite a few under the underground emcees with an immense amount of talent and no way of getting there music heard. Battling is a way for them to get there music heard. Battling has always been a way for somebody to shine, whether it be a record label and all it's artists, or an artist reppin' a label, or an unknown getting heard.
Battles are part of hip hop and the NW needs more of them so the cats that have skills can shine. I'm not saying the cats that are put on right now don't have skills, don't get me wrong, but there are quite a few under the underground emcees with an immense amount of talent and no way of getting there music heard. Battling is a way for them to get there music heard. Battling has always been a way for somebody to shine, whether it be a record label and all it's artists, or an artist reppin' a label, or an unknown getting heard.
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@@BULLET...IF YOU CAN HEAR HE SPOKE ON ME IN YOUR DISS SONG AND ALSO YEAH YOU RIGHT THIS IS GOOD FOR RAP EVERY BODY THINK WE GOT TO BE COOL WITH EACHOTHER FOR SOME ONE TO PURCHASE MY ALBUM AND GIVE ME MONEY FOR MY TALENTS SO I CAN GIVE A FUCK WHAT RAPPER DON'T LIKE ME IF YOU DOWN TO GET PAID THEN LET IT BE ABOUT SOME MONEY FUCK N/W RAP UNITY THAT DOESN'T MEAN I DISLIKE ANY ONE OF YALL BUT I DO THINK YALL GOT THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF BUSINESS WRONG!!!AND PLUS I'M A HUSTLIN ASS GROWN MAN!!
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@@BULLET...IF YOU CAN HEAR HE SPOKE ON ME IN YOUR DISS SONG AND ALSO YEAH YOU RIGHT THIS IS GOOD FOR RAP EVERY BODY THINK WE GOT TO BE COOL WITH EACHOTHER FOR SOME ONE TO PURCHASE MY ALBUM AND GIVE ME MONEY FOR MY TALENTS SO I CAN GIVE A FUCK WHAT RAPPER DON'T LIKE ME IF YOU DOWN TO GET PAID THEN LET IT BE ABOUT SOME MONEY FUCK N/W RAP UNITY THAT DOESN'T MEAN I DISLIKE ANY ONE OF YALL BUT I DO THINK YALL GOT THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF BUSINESS WRONG!!!AND PLUS I'M A HUSTLIN ASS GROWN MAN!!
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if it were possible i would've voted for yes and no...
i would've voted yes because it will keep artists up-to-date on whats going down with lyrics and what not.. and its a way of solving problems without using guns or violence..
i would've voted no because stuff like this can turn into "street shit" and could result in violence.. and..for whoever loses.. it kinda gives them a bad name... so i think it has its pros and cons.. i cant say whether it is good nor bad
pz
i would've voted yes because it will keep artists up-to-date on whats going down with lyrics and what not.. and its a way of solving problems without using guns or violence..
i would've voted no because stuff like this can turn into "street shit" and could result in violence.. and..for whoever loses.. it kinda gives them a bad name... so i think it has its pros and cons.. i cant say whether it is good nor bad
pz