Do gangs belong in America?

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I was given an Idea for my video production class, to make a 30 minute documentary on why gangs are needed in America. With the right amount of help from the government, with the right amount of leaders, I think gangs can do a whole lot of positive things for a particular community, and on a nation wide scale, can do alot.

Look at the Vice Lords in Chicago, helped created centers for teens to study and do well in school and away from streets. Provided protections in their hood, provided homes for the homeless in their Center. They had power, not the negative type of power that a power hungry man would abuse, but rather the power to make something positive out of their existence and beginning. After all, they started off as a violence Gang from the West Side of Chi-town, mugging and robbing people. Then one day Edward Perry, had enough, he wanted to make a change of scenery and the reputation of the Vice Lords. Mine you that this was also during the civil rights movement.

With the power, the were able to do good for the neighborhood and kids, but as always "white" America, couldn't stand the men of colors to progress in this country, so what happened? They took away the funds for their centers. They passed laws to stop the Vice Lords, in case they became a super Organized Crime Mob, which they didn't, but eventually did, later to come. As the financial status diminished, and as the Vice Lords became frustrated, they resorted to crime to get what they wanted, eventually leading them back down the road where they once came from. The West Side of Chicago, is just as worse as it was, if not better or worse, then when the Vice Lords were first organized. Imagine, what good would have came out of their Positive movement, if the Government allowed their gang to continue.

I wanted to add more, but I'll add more later, continuing with my town's situation, and why Nortenos, Bloods, and Crips, helped prevent the whites from controlling the south side. Why, today's generation, doesn't go coincide with their Struggle. More to come....dun dun dun
 
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I'll add more with the history of my Part of the Town. I agree, the bloods and crips were both panthers before they split apart. The republicans and democrats were all republicans at one time. Nortenos and Surenos were all part of the Same group at one time. Class Starts at 4, so I'll add more.
 
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Dhadnot said:
the first black gangs and I think Mexican gangs in LA was to protect the groups from white gangs attacks.
I've heard that as well... Mexican gangs, In LA, started forming shortly after the 'Zoot Suit' riots in the 40's... I believe...
 
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Nortenos and Surenos are stillt he same person..

You idiots in Cali just aint figured it out yet..
mean awhile a Midwest Mexican MOthafucka...is over here laughin his ass off at you fools...
fighting because one gots hair and the other doesnt..

hahahahaha you Californians crack me the fuck up..

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JLMACN said:
Nortenos and Surenos are stillt he same person..

You idiots in Cali just aint figured it out yet..
mean awhile a Midwest Mexican MOthafucka...is over here laughin his ass off at you fools...
fighting because one gots hair and the other doesnt..

hahahahaha you Californians crack me the fuck up..

5000
why are u speakin on something u dont know about? tell me how any of your opinions are backed with actual facts or first hand experiences
 
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TROLL said:
why are u speakin on something u dont know about? tell me how any of your opinions are backed with actual facts or first hand experiences

tell me what I dont know about Troll..

you are a Norte right? Tell me why you dislike Surenos so much....

give me a real answer...

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A very interesting question. I think it's one that does not have a simple answer. Gangs will always be around, they've always been around. Religion is a gang in a way, people killin and fighting each other cause of a difference in opinion. They try to claim turf(holy land) as well. Just like gangs, religion is big business. So if you think about it, gangs have always been around, just weren't called gangs. I think there are many negative aspects of gangs, but there are positive aspects as well. I just wish more gangs would spend time educating there members and less time fighting each other. The worst part about gangs is the random violence. Some one just bucking off shots at random people to show how gangsta and hard core they are is just fuckin stupid. Any idiot can pull the trigger of a gun.
 

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JLMACN said:
tell me what I dont know about Troll..

you are a Norte right? Tell me why you dislike Surenos so much....

give me a real answer...

5000
how about for the simple fact that ive been harrassed and fucked with by them since jr high?

or perhaps that given the chance,they would harm more then half of all my folx.. since ive grown up and known nothin but homies?

or perhaps they ally them self with nazis?

or maybe the fact that they disrespect my areas?

or even maybe cuz they like causing unwanted racial tensions?

or perhaps i cant find respect for someone whos acting as a proxy to something they have no idea about.. banging something thats on the other side of the state? SMH

i dunno pick one.. but im not here to debate.. i just asked how the fuck you would kno what you were speaking on..
 

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mrrocnron said:
Yes, gangs do belong..

gangs are the best vanguard (sp?) in the community. They are just misguided. If the soldiers understood the mission as well as the results...
DezertEagle said:
A very interesting question. I think it's one that does not have a simple answer. Gangs will always be around, they've always been around. Religion is a gang in a way, people killin and fighting each other cause of a difference in opinion. They try to claim turf(holy land) as well. Just like gangs, religion is big business. So if you think about it, gangs have always been around, just weren't called gangs. I think there are many negative aspects of gangs, but there are positive aspects as well. I just wish more gangs would spend time educating there members and less time fighting each other. The worst part about gangs is the random violence. Some one just bucking off shots at random people to show how gangsta and hard core they are is just fuckin stupid. Any idiot can pull the trigger of a gun.
^^^^
great responses
 
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Do gangs belong in America?

Dubious question. Gangs are inevitable and intrinsic to American society. The country being better off with or without them would require one to examine if the country would be better off with or without the current socio-economic situation.

Gangs need to be separated and distinguished from community organizations. Gangs are criminal enterprises by nature. They may claim to protect a given populace of their home territory from outside forces/intruders, yet they also prey on their area’s populace criminally.

Organized crime rings are a sophisticated and advanced form of gang which, in most cases, developed from a street organization. They may provide a community center or finance the local parade, but they are essentially criminal.

Does the gambino family belong in America?

The bloods might get behind a condom drive, but does that mean they are a positive force while they are out slangin rocks and doing drive bys?
 
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TROLL said:
how about for the simple fact that ive been harrassed and fucked with by them since jr high?

or perhaps that given the chance,they would harm more then half of all my folx.. since ive grown up and known nothin but homies?

or perhaps they ally them self with nazis?

or maybe the fact that they disrespect my areas?

or even maybe cuz they like causing unwanted racial tensions?

or perhaps i cant find respect for someone whos acting as a proxy to something they have no idea about.. banging something thats on the other side of the state? SMH

i dunno pick one.. but im not here to debate.. i just asked how the fuck you would kno what you were speaking on..

thats some childish shit..

how about for the simple fact that ive been harrassed and fucked with by them since jr high?
You think Surenos are the only bullies in school? come on man....that shit is everywhere...not just associated with 1 gang.

or perhaps that given the chance,they would harm more then half of all my folx.. since ive grown up and known nothin but homies?
This is the biggest problem with people and gangs..
Boys should learn to distinguish themselves from their boys...becuase caring about YOUR BOYS to much will lead to your destuction...

or perhaps they ally them self with nazis?
huh?

or maybe the fact that they disrespect my areas?
hahahahahaha grow the fuck up boy....disrespect your areas???? I can see if they are harming your kids...or your mom...or something..
but your "AREAS".......thats some little boy shit..

or even maybe cuz they like causing unwanted racial tensions?
that is life....
you tell me a place in america..where racial tension doesnt exist!?......
Im 26...and am the only minority working in a all white firm..
that shit is here......so tell how your gang shit is so different..


or perhaps i cant find respect for someone whos acting as a proxy to something they have no idea about.. banging something thats on the other side of the state? SMH
welcome to my state of mind...
I see Surs and Norte shit goin on here in KC..
I laugh.....
because fuck you and your territory...
ima go hustle...work....and make $$$...
you boys can worry about what color I wear and how my hair looks...while I do it..
and Ill throw you some $$$ when Im done...

TROLL....I aint trying to knock you homie...
I just wish someone in Cali (mainly mexican person) would step up and start reaching out to these kids...killin eachother cause they are from The Bay or they are from LA......man life is much much much more than that shit...
but they will never see because we got to many boys...worried about that shit influencing this younger generation to focus on these little things......

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JLMACN said:
You think Surenos are the only bullies in school? come on man....that shit is everywhere...not just associated with 1 gang.
i started as a far back as i can remember.. no shit that bullies arent confined to one gang, but its those who happend to have fucked with me, i found respect from the homies..
JLMACN said:
This is the biggest problem with people and gangs..
Boys should learn to distinguish themselves from their boys...becuase caring about YOUR BOYS to much will lead to your destuction...
thats like me telling u "so what if foolz wanna shoot ur friends" some kind of friend u must be lol
JLMACN said:
see, u shouldnt be speaking on something u dont know folx.. they ally them self with the aryian brotherhood..
JLMACN said:
hahahahahaha grow the fuck up boy....disrespect your areas???? I can see if they are harming your kids...or your mom...or something..
but your "AREAS".......thats some little boy shit..
if i cant stand on my own block...


JLMACN said:
that is life....
you tell me a place in america..where racial tension doesnt exist!?......
Im 26...and am the only minority working in a all white firm..
that shit is here......so tell how your gang shit is so different..
so ur response to that is "thats life" ???? why the fuck should i be all hunky dory about it?? i have my own reserve about how to treat someone whos gonna come here and stir shit between foolz.. and u know what "thats life"

JLMACN said:
welcome to my state of mind...
I see Surs and Norte shit goin on here in KC..
I laugh.....
because fuck you and your territory...
ima go hustle...work....and make $$$...
you boys can worry about what color I wear and how my hair looks...while I do it..
and Ill throw you some $$$ when Im done...
lol.. the biggest misconception is that because someone is bout theirs that they arent hustling either.. but why the fuck talk down on the next man because he took up a cause? because u disagree with it?
JLMACN said:
TROLL....I aint trying to knock you homie...
I just wish someone in Cali (mainly mexican person) would step up and start reaching out to these kids...killin eachother cause they are from The Bay or they are from LA......man life is much much much more than that shit...
but they will never see because we got to many boys...worried about that shit influencing this younger generation to focus on these little things......
5000
one little thing is diffrent.. a number of little things makes a problem.. i dont expect for you to understand.. its not anything you have been around so ur on the outside lookin in..
 
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mrrocnron said:
Yes, gangs do belong..

gangs are the best vanguard (sp?) in the community. They are just misguided. If the soldiers understood the mission as well as the results...
Vanguard of what? The crime, violence, exploitation, and drug abuse movement?
 
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TROLL said:
i started as a far back as i can remember.. no shit that bullies arent confined to one gang, but its those who happend to have fucked with me, i found respect from the homies..

thats like me telling u "so what if foolz wanna shoot ur friends" some kind of friend u must be lol

see, u shouldnt be speaking on something u dont know folx.. they ally them self with the aryian brotherhood..

if i cant stand on my own block...



so ur response to that is "thats life" ???? why the fuck should i be all hunky dory about it?? i have my own reserve about how to treat someone whos gonna come here and stir shit between foolz.. and u know what "thats life"


lol.. the biggest misconception is that because someone is bout theirs that they arent hustling either.. but why the fuck talk down on the next man because he took up a cause? because u disagree with it?

one little thing is diffrent.. a number of little things makes a problem.. i dont expect for you to understand.. its not anything you have been around so ur on the outside lookin in..

you are hypnotized..



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