No you're missing the point, it was not a good comparison, because the history of Scicly and Italy and its neighboring islands as a whole is fraught with conquering other peoples especially the group that you are trying to make the point with. How can you make that comparison when Europeans as a whole have conquered and treated everybody like shit for centuries, and only portions of other races, have conquered portions of European lands/territory? The analogy is bad, it sucks and no one who knows a thing or two about a thing or two would be able to see your comparison because the history behind Artistic's culprits and others is vastly different then the history of yours. The moors got theirs from Spain, and other mediterranean Europeans, Latins, Blacks, Natives haven't expelled white peiple from The Americas or Africa, they haven't reclaimed all the lost revenue Europeans have taken, filed wrongful death etc. Suits, made Europeans pay interest for the 100 of yrs of anguish they have suffered and continue to suffer at their hands, sohow da fuck does that compare to the moors in Scicilia, and why the fuck would they feel bad. DO YOU GET THAT?
do black people ever feel bad about the social order they've created in Sicily?
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I don't think you get it. You're so caught up on the example that you're missing the point. And you're getting real bent out of shape about it. And you're being a stan. And you're saying most of the people on this board can enter into a debate respectfully. And you call other people trolls. You're really just a dense hypocrit. I find it hilarious. And I know you're gonna reply, because you can't help yourself. It's funny dude. You seem really intelligent. But you obviously get pissed off about race issues. Which was the point of this thread. Which you continue to prove. And you avoid that subject by continuously bringing up completely irrelevant information to make me look stupid. Do you think I care how many times you write the word fail or rehash your knowledge of Sicily? Your opinion means dick to me. You're the only person on this entire 5 page thread that's fighting or offended or angry or whatever. It's fucking pathetic. I could give a fuck about you or your opinion, so TRY HARDER! Or explain yourself better and try to be respectful. Or just keep calling me dumbass, dummy, and typing FAIL and DO YOU GET THAT in caps lock. And then pass yourself off as the enlightened one. Or pass yourself off as enlightned and then get hung up on the fact that I dared post a thread with the word "black" in the title.
Regardless of all the "let's examine yourself" bullshit you posted, you still haven't shown that you understand why your comparsion is ineffectual. Why don't you post a good comparison, that makes sense that will really help people see what you're going for? And stop changing your point to be right. Oh, its to show the hypocrisy, its to show that you get mad about race, man shut it wit that bullshit. I don't let no one come in and post mis-information about race or film ( same thing with 2-0-sixx, and CB when it comes to communism, and how the Bible used to be for Heresy) and you're not an exception. Don't worry about Timmy jr. At least that fool is a bona-fide troll, you're willfully ignorant, the worst kind.
You're an idiot. Of course if you group sicilians into the group of all europeans, all italians, all whites, then you can extrapolate and hold sicily responsible for all of the wrongs of the white man. But that would be a very broad grouping. You just do it to prove your point. Oh, sicilians are white, therefore they have had their hand in all negative things white man has ever done. Seriously dude...that's some simplistic fucking thinking. Using your logic, if I grouped blacks, latinos, and whites in the group called "humans", I could stop a black man on the street and yell at him for the role that his species had in slavery. Do you get how dumb that sounds?
Regardless, like I said, this was never about me actually thinking black people should feel bad. But you missed that point, and now you're just trying to save face by consistently arguing it was a bad example. Well, too bad buddy, its a good example and you're just butt hurt.
Regardless, like I said, this was never about me actually thinking black people should feel bad. But you missed that point, and now you're just trying to save face by consistently arguing it was a bad example. Well, too bad buddy, its a good example and you're just butt hurt.
Waah waaah waaaah. This is a seriously pathetic attempt to distinguish. How am i supposed to argue against "Europeans as a whole have conquered and treated everyone like shit for centuries". What a flippant, baseless accusation. You come in here arguing people need to come with more facts, and then pull a statement like that out of your ass. If you want to group Sicilians as Europeans as a whole, then you can pretty much hold all whites accountable for things that had nothing to do with them. The English killed native americans? Well, let's hold Sicilians responsible for that, because English and Sicilians are both caucasian. You took the easy way out...
LOL man everything that you're trying to prove or say, or say you didn't mean it that way but this way, you destroy. Really, look at what you're typing. you asked us do blacks feel bad that the moors created a social order in Sicily,(which is faulty in the first place that's why you need to get a historically correct analogy) but then get mad and say i'm at fault for grouping Scicilians with Italians (I didn't even group them with the rest of Europe or white people in General until I had to spell the point out to you that your analogy is grossly off -until then I only related Scicily to Italy which it is related to even though having it's own separate identity like Hawaii or Puerto Rico to the US). Simply your confused and you've mired yourself in a bad position because you picked a bad analogy for a stupid reason because you don't know what you're talking about.
Waah waaah waaah (the idiotic sounds of someone who knows he's wrong and an idiotic fool) How did I take the easy way out? You implicated blacks (presumably African Americans) for the Moors northern/northwestern muslim Afircan blacks actions, when Artistic implicated whites (American whites) for what their ancestors from the different European countries did to people of color in the U.S. and how they benefit from it. You tell me how does your analogy line up with his? You tell me why I wouldn't compare Sicily to all of Europe when you say blacks (AA's), and use an analogy of one group of blacks to juxtapose a question implicating many different kind of whites? Why are you arguing with me? You're the one who picked a bad example.
African colonies listed by colonizing power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_for_Africa#African_colonies_listed_by_colonizing_power
I'll put this one up for you:
Italy:
Italian North Africa (now Libya)
Italian Eritrea
Italian Somaliland (now part of Somalia)
For the people of the Americas and a few more Europeans who might of missed out on Africa but wanted to get their dibs in on the Americas you can check this website out for some brief info: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Russian_colonization_of_the_Americas
Now what was that you were saying, about baseless and flippant accusations. And how do the moors out of wide ol' Africa in Spain and Italy and Sicily and Portugal compare to the British, and German, and French, and Belgium, and the Italians, and Russians, and Danish, and Polish, and Portuguesse, and Spanish, and oh fuck it... you get my drift.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_for_Africa#African_colonies_listed_by_colonizing_power
I'll put this one up for you:
Italy:
Italian North Africa (now Libya)
Italian Eritrea
Italian Somaliland (now part of Somalia)
For the people of the Americas and a few more Europeans who might of missed out on Africa but wanted to get their dibs in on the Americas you can check this website out for some brief info: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Russian_colonization_of_the_Americas
Now what was that you were saying, about baseless and flippant accusations. And how do the moors out of wide ol' Africa in Spain and Italy and Sicily and Portugal compare to the British, and German, and French, and Belgium, and the Italians, and Russians, and Danish, and Polish, and Portuguesse, and Spanish, and oh fuck it... you get my drift.
I think we clarified everything in the other thread, but this was my basic premise:
If whites have influenced a society in such a way that they should feel responsible, that's fine. But if "minorities" have influenced another society in the same way, then however you feel about whites should be analogously applied to minorities. If you think whites should be responsible in the first situation, then you ought to think minorities should be responsible in the second situation. If you think whites shouldn't feel responsible in the first situation, then you ought to feel the same way in the second situation.
All I wanted to do was pose the same question in reverse order, and see how many people maintained their consistency.
My personal belief is that whites shouldn't feel responsible solely because they are white. I was hoping by reversing the question, it might highlight my point.
The way this thread blew up, it seemed to me like a double standard existed.
Now, if you think that there is an inherent difference between whites and minorities, and based on the inherent difference, you think whites ought to feel responsible for the social order they created, but minorities shouldn't feel responsible for any social order that they created, that's fine. Just articulate your belief so I can see why my point is wrong.
If whites have influenced a society in such a way that they should feel responsible, that's fine. But if "minorities" have influenced another society in the same way, then however you feel about whites should be analogously applied to minorities. If you think whites should be responsible in the first situation, then you ought to think minorities should be responsible in the second situation. If you think whites shouldn't feel responsible in the first situation, then you ought to feel the same way in the second situation.
All I wanted to do was pose the same question in reverse order, and see how many people maintained their consistency.
My personal belief is that whites shouldn't feel responsible solely because they are white. I was hoping by reversing the question, it might highlight my point.
The way this thread blew up, it seemed to me like a double standard existed.
Now, if you think that there is an inherent difference between whites and minorities, and based on the inherent difference, you think whites ought to feel responsible for the social order they created, but minorities shouldn't feel responsible for any social order that they created, that's fine. Just articulate your belief so I can see why my point is wrong.