Do a lot of mutha fuckas go 2 hell?
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«Do a lot of mutha fuckas go to hell?»
I guess so, look at today's society. There is too much moral corruption, kids having kids, indifference towards life (abortion, cloning), and religions being hurt from tha inside as well as tha out (Catholic Church sex scandal, terrorists killing civilians in tha name of Islam, quite a few people showing contempt for religon). There are alot of people going to hell, and it's our society's fault for this.
I guess so, look at today's society. There is too much moral corruption, kids having kids, indifference towards life (abortion, cloning), and religions being hurt from tha inside as well as tha out (Catholic Church sex scandal, terrorists killing civilians in tha name of Islam, quite a few people showing contempt for religon). There are alot of people going to hell, and it's our society's fault for this.
LMAO...
tell me where we are all going again? Should I assume that "hell" in your definition is "McDonalds"?
I felt your post was foolish to pass such judgement on others. If you wish to elaborate on what you said, you are welcome to. But, based on what was written, I replied accordingly..........Now you..........
tell me where we are all going again? Should I assume that "hell" in your definition is "McDonalds"?
I felt your post was foolish to pass such judgement on others. If you wish to elaborate on what you said, you are welcome to. But, based on what was written, I replied accordingly..........Now you..........
hey, If you explain half of what you mean you will get half-witted answers. I have seen that "hell" may be slightly different depending on how its used in the bible. And, no you didnt ever say the word mcdonalds. I was being sarcastic, obviously. Say what you mean. Don't expect others to assume your definitions. And, if "hell" is used differently depending on its context, what definition should I assume? How about just explaining what you are trying to point at? Rather than playing "guess what I'm thinking".....
N9NEWUNSIX,
YOU EVA HEARD OF THE TERM "YOU CAN TAKE A HORSE TO THE WATER BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE THE MUTHA-FUKA DRINK IT?"
I CAN ONLY DIRECT YOU TO THE INFORMATION, NOT ASSUME THAT YOU'RE WITH CONVENTIONAL AND CHURCH DOgMA PERCEPTIONAL VIEWS OR FORCE SHIT DOWN YOUR THROAT.
BUT SINCE YOU'RE QUESTIONIN' THEN I WILL ELABORATE. ALRIgHT, FIRST OFF, HOW IS THE WORD "HELL" USED IN THE gREEK AND HEBREW LANgUAgE THAT WAS USED WHEN THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN? WHAT DOES THE WORD HELL MEAN AND WHAT DOES IT TRANSLATE TO?
YOU EVA HEARD OF THE TERM "YOU CAN TAKE A HORSE TO THE WATER BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE THE MUTHA-FUKA DRINK IT?"
I CAN ONLY DIRECT YOU TO THE INFORMATION, NOT ASSUME THAT YOU'RE WITH CONVENTIONAL AND CHURCH DOgMA PERCEPTIONAL VIEWS OR FORCE SHIT DOWN YOUR THROAT.
BUT SINCE YOU'RE QUESTIONIN' THEN I WILL ELABORATE. ALRIgHT, FIRST OFF, HOW IS THE WORD "HELL" USED IN THE gREEK AND HEBREW LANgUAgE THAT WAS USED WHEN THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN? WHAT DOES THE WORD HELL MEAN AND WHAT DOES IT TRANSLATE TO?
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BUT SINCE YOU'RE QUESTIONIN' THEN I WILL ELABORATE. ALRIgHT, FIRST OFF, HOW IS THE WORD "HELL" USED IN THE gREEK AND HEBREW LANgUAgE THAT WAS USED WHEN THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN? WHAT DOES THE WORD HELL MEAN AND WHAT DOES IT TRANSLATE TO?
you tell me. I thought you were going to elaborate, not ask me questions.
But then, perhaps we are already in hell....
BUT SINCE YOU'RE QUESTIONIN' THEN I WILL ELABORATE. ALRIgHT, FIRST OFF, HOW IS THE WORD "HELL" USED IN THE gREEK AND HEBREW LANgUAgE THAT WAS USED WHEN THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN? WHAT DOES THE WORD HELL MEAN AND WHAT DOES IT TRANSLATE TO?
you tell me. I thought you were going to elaborate, not ask me questions.
But then, perhaps we are already in hell....
MAN, YOU SMART ASS. ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FIRST. FUK IT, SINCE YOU WANT A START PEEP:
HELL IS TRANSLATED FROM THE HEBREW WORD SHE'OHL IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AND IT'S gREEK EQUIVALENT HAI'DES WHICH BOTH INDICATE TO A COMMON gRAVE FOR ALL MANKIND. gE'EN*NA IS ALSO A gREEK WORD USED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT WHICH MEANS ETERNAL DESTRUCTION.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THE WORD(S) THAT WERE ORIgINALLY USED FOR THE WORD "HELL" HAVE BEEN TRANSLATED INCORRECTLY TO FIT CHURCH DOgMA AND DOCTRINES.
HELL IS TRANSLATED FROM THE HEBREW WORD SHE'OHL IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AND IT'S gREEK EQUIVALENT HAI'DES WHICH BOTH INDICATE TO A COMMON gRAVE FOR ALL MANKIND. gE'EN*NA IS ALSO A gREEK WORD USED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT WHICH MEANS ETERNAL DESTRUCTION.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THE WORD(S) THAT WERE ORIgINALLY USED FOR THE WORD "HELL" HAVE BEEN TRANSLATED INCORRECTLY TO FIT CHURCH DOgMA AND DOCTRINES.
what is your take on "eternal destruction"? If it is known that destruction is only physical then how can any one thing be eternally destroyed? I could speculate on this to say that the destruction and creation of our physical reality is an eternal process. In that light one may see an "eternal destruction". But, otherwise it is proposterous. Also, how does one define destruction? There is no absolute destruction. when one "destoys" something material they only convert it to another form of energy. As far as "hell" being the grave or death, I understood this yet I didnt have the Greek or Hebrew translations to bacc it up. Wasn't intending to be a "smart ass"...
@That Playa TL
One may find the divine within oneself but this does not mean that "man created God in his image". If you have any sense for philosophy you will understand the concept of "absolute versus relative truth". There is an absolute, or a first cause. God is this "first cause". Further speculation into what and how God is, is on you to discover. I think you should just keep an open mind to this concept of first cause rather than saying, in vain, that God is man-made...
As far as heaven and hell go:
it depends on how you perceive these concepts. I like to simplify it and translate heaven and hell into life and death. I suppose anything beyond this is for you to speculate for yourself...
One may find the divine within oneself but this does not mean that "man created God in his image". If you have any sense for philosophy you will understand the concept of "absolute versus relative truth". There is an absolute, or a first cause. God is this "first cause". Further speculation into what and how God is, is on you to discover. I think you should just keep an open mind to this concept of first cause rather than saying, in vain, that God is man-made...
As far as heaven and hell go:
it depends on how you perceive these concepts. I like to simplify it and translate heaven and hell into life and death. I suppose anything beyond this is for you to speculate for yourself...
NIN9WUNSIX5150,
YOU ASKED, "what is your take on "eternal destruction"?"
THAT IS ONE DEFINITION OF THE WORD gEHENNA. IT IS ALSO DEFINED AS ETERNAL DAMNATION. TO ME THE WAY IT IS USED AND HOW IT IS BEST LOgICALLY TRANSLATED TO BE IN HARMONY WITH THE REST OF THE BIBLE, ETERNAL DESTRUCTION MEANS THAT YOU ARE gONNA CEASE TO EXIST FOREVA, THAT YOU ARE NOT gONNA EXIST NO MORE, ENERgY OR WHAT NOT, AND THAT YOU ARE NOT gONNA HAVE A HOPE TO LIVE N-E- LONgER SINCE THE gRAVE IS JUST A SLEEPIN' PLACE FOR THOSE WAITIN' TO BE JUDgED.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "If it is known that destruction is only physical then how can any one thing be eternally destroyed?"
NOTHIN' IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR OUR CREATOR.
THEN YOU STRESS, "I could speculate on this to say that the destruction and creation of our physical reality is an eternal process."
YUP, STRAIgHT SPECULATION. BUT MAY I ADD, AN INTELLIgENT ONE.
THEN YOU STRESS, "Also, how does one define destruction?
EASY, THE WAY IT IS DEFINED, BUT THEN AgAIN, IT DEPENDS HOW THE WORD IS USED.
THEN YOU STRESSED, ". As far as "hell" being the grave or death, I understood this yet I didnt have the Greek or Hebrew translations to bacc it up. Wasn't intending to be a "smart ass"...
THANK YOU FOR AKNOWLEDgIN' THIS. THEN YOU AHEAD OF THE gAME KNOWIN' THIS. NOW IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO FEED YOUR NOggIN' AND DISMANTLE THE LIES WITH KNOWLEDgE AND THE ACQUISITION OF ACCURATE KNOWLEDgE.
YOU ASKED, "what is your take on "eternal destruction"?"
THAT IS ONE DEFINITION OF THE WORD gEHENNA. IT IS ALSO DEFINED AS ETERNAL DAMNATION. TO ME THE WAY IT IS USED AND HOW IT IS BEST LOgICALLY TRANSLATED TO BE IN HARMONY WITH THE REST OF THE BIBLE, ETERNAL DESTRUCTION MEANS THAT YOU ARE gONNA CEASE TO EXIST FOREVA, THAT YOU ARE NOT gONNA EXIST NO MORE, ENERgY OR WHAT NOT, AND THAT YOU ARE NOT gONNA HAVE A HOPE TO LIVE N-E- LONgER SINCE THE gRAVE IS JUST A SLEEPIN' PLACE FOR THOSE WAITIN' TO BE JUDgED.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "If it is known that destruction is only physical then how can any one thing be eternally destroyed?"
NOTHIN' IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR OUR CREATOR.
THEN YOU STRESS, "I could speculate on this to say that the destruction and creation of our physical reality is an eternal process."
YUP, STRAIgHT SPECULATION. BUT MAY I ADD, AN INTELLIgENT ONE.
THEN YOU STRESS, "Also, how does one define destruction?
EASY, THE WAY IT IS DEFINED, BUT THEN AgAIN, IT DEPENDS HOW THE WORD IS USED.
THEN YOU STRESSED, ". As far as "hell" being the grave or death, I understood this yet I didnt have the Greek or Hebrew translations to bacc it up. Wasn't intending to be a "smart ass"...
THANK YOU FOR AKNOWLEDgIN' THIS. THEN YOU AHEAD OF THE gAME KNOWIN' THIS. NOW IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO FEED YOUR NOggIN' AND DISMANTLE THE LIES WITH KNOWLEDgE AND THE ACQUISITION OF ACCURATE KNOWLEDgE.
@EDJ
Which part of you is really YOU? and is it this part that is really destroyed? your soul is either eternal or it is not. One cannot be saved and then "acquire" an eternal soul. That makes no sense. Of course God can do anything. But, ask God to destroy a part of Him/Herself. Perhaps what is destroyed is our wordly ego. The ego that we separate from God. Especially many atheists who live entirely in this ego and feel no higher source than themselves. If one is to live only in this ego they will perish. But, I do not believe that people cannot grow, or that people have only this physical life to transcend to heaven. Everyone has a soul and that soul is eternal. You CANNOT acquire eternity. The soul is God-given and it is of God. God does not destroy himself. Perhaps, you (for instance), EDJ, have certain personality traits that may perish once you leave this physical existence. But your soul is eternal. You must see the conflict in believing in the "death" of the eternal soul. That is why I suggest that it is not the soul which is destroyed, but rather, the wordly self-centered ego that is. Just a few thoughts...
Which part of you is really YOU? and is it this part that is really destroyed? your soul is either eternal or it is not. One cannot be saved and then "acquire" an eternal soul. That makes no sense. Of course God can do anything. But, ask God to destroy a part of Him/Herself. Perhaps what is destroyed is our wordly ego. The ego that we separate from God. Especially many atheists who live entirely in this ego and feel no higher source than themselves. If one is to live only in this ego they will perish. But, I do not believe that people cannot grow, or that people have only this physical life to transcend to heaven. Everyone has a soul and that soul is eternal. You CANNOT acquire eternity. The soul is God-given and it is of God. God does not destroy himself. Perhaps, you (for instance), EDJ, have certain personality traits that may perish once you leave this physical existence. But your soul is eternal. You must see the conflict in believing in the "death" of the eternal soul. That is why I suggest that it is not the soul which is destroyed, but rather, the wordly self-centered ego that is. Just a few thoughts...
ALRIgHT N9NEWUNSIX,
BUT WHAT IS THE HUMAN SOUL? THEORETICALLY AND A gENERAL IDEA ACCEPTED IS THAT THE SOUL IS YOUR LIVIN' FORCE WITHIN YOU THAT KEEPS YOU ALIVE. BUT WHERE IS IT? AND THAT IS THE MISTAKE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE MAKE BELIEVIN' THAT THE SOUL IS SOMETHIN' THAT LIVES ON AFTER THE PHYSICAL VANISHES OR WHAT NOT. SO AgtAIN I ASK WHAT IS THE SOUL? HOW DO YOU KNOW? WHERE'S THE PROOF? BREAK IT ON DOWN LOgICALLY AND SHOW SOME REFERENCE TO BAK YOUR CLAIMS AND BELIEFS.
BUT WHAT IS THE HUMAN SOUL? THEORETICALLY AND A gENERAL IDEA ACCEPTED IS THAT THE SOUL IS YOUR LIVIN' FORCE WITHIN YOU THAT KEEPS YOU ALIVE. BUT WHERE IS IT? AND THAT IS THE MISTAKE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE MAKE BELIEVIN' THAT THE SOUL IS SOMETHIN' THAT LIVES ON AFTER THE PHYSICAL VANISHES OR WHAT NOT. SO AgtAIN I ASK WHAT IS THE SOUL? HOW DO YOU KNOW? WHERE'S THE PROOF? BREAK IT ON DOWN LOgICALLY AND SHOW SOME REFERENCE TO BAK YOUR CLAIMS AND BELIEFS.
@EDJ
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"AND THAT IS THE MISTAKE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE MAKE BELIEVIN' THAT THE SOUL IS SOMETHIN' THAT LIVES ON AFTER THE PHYSICAL VANISHES OR WHAT NOT."
So you do not believe that the soul is eternal? May I ask what your religious or spiritual preference is? Also, how can one back up spiritual truth entirely with physical logic? If you do not grasp the idea of the soul then I would suggest you find those answers for yourself. It appears that you do not believe in the soul, or that you don't believe that it lives on after physical death. Your soul isn't something that resides within you and keeps you alive. IT IS YOU. You are not your arms or legs because these things can be taken away. If you lost your limbs would you still be EDJ? I think so. The soul is the real being which a majority of people are not truly aware of. This complete and ignorant separation of ourselves is what will die. Because one who believes he is only a physical being will, in fact, die. Not to say it isn't good to understand the difference between the physical body and the soul, one should. But, if one resides completely in the thought that they are merely flesh they are half wise. I am unsure as to what your preference is. At first I got the idea that you were Christian. Now, I am not sure...
Nevertheless, the concept of the soul is a very vast subject and will become paradoxical at times. I would just say to you that these paradoxes can be reconciled. If you are coming from an atheist perspective then I can not satisfy your worldly logic. Logic won't get you very far on topics of spirituality. It can be a start but it is nothing without faith to go along. Considering that perhaps you do believe in the soul I will say this once more:
Either the soul is eternal or it is not. If we see it is then we have established something and can embellish on it. If we see it isn't then we have not yet realized it...
quote:
"AND THAT IS THE MISTAKE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE MAKE BELIEVIN' THAT THE SOUL IS SOMETHIN' THAT LIVES ON AFTER THE PHYSICAL VANISHES OR WHAT NOT."
So you do not believe that the soul is eternal? May I ask what your religious or spiritual preference is? Also, how can one back up spiritual truth entirely with physical logic? If you do not grasp the idea of the soul then I would suggest you find those answers for yourself. It appears that you do not believe in the soul, or that you don't believe that it lives on after physical death. Your soul isn't something that resides within you and keeps you alive. IT IS YOU. You are not your arms or legs because these things can be taken away. If you lost your limbs would you still be EDJ? I think so. The soul is the real being which a majority of people are not truly aware of. This complete and ignorant separation of ourselves is what will die. Because one who believes he is only a physical being will, in fact, die. Not to say it isn't good to understand the difference between the physical body and the soul, one should. But, if one resides completely in the thought that they are merely flesh they are half wise. I am unsure as to what your preference is. At first I got the idea that you were Christian. Now, I am not sure...
Nevertheless, the concept of the soul is a very vast subject and will become paradoxical at times. I would just say to you that these paradoxes can be reconciled. If you are coming from an atheist perspective then I can not satisfy your worldly logic. Logic won't get you very far on topics of spirituality. It can be a start but it is nothing without faith to go along. Considering that perhaps you do believe in the soul I will say this once more:
Either the soul is eternal or it is not. If we see it is then we have established something and can embellish on it. If we see it isn't then we have not yet realized it...
N9NEWUNSIXX,
YOU STRESSED, "So you do not believe that the soul is eternal?"
WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE THAT THE SOUL IS ETERNAL? THAT BRINgS US BAK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE SOUL IS. SO AgAIN I ASK YOU, "WHAT IS THE HUMAN SOUL?" "WHAT HAPPENS TO IT WHEN YOU DIE?"
THEN YOU STRESSED, "? May I ask what your religious or spiritual preference is?"
YOU JUST DID. BUT I'M JUST ME. AN EVERY DAY JOE IN SEARCH OF TRUTH.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Also, how can one back up spiritual truth entirely with physical logic?
WITH ACCURATE KNOWLEDgE.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "It appears that you do not believe in the soul, or that you don't believe that it lives on after physical death."
YOUR SOUL DOESN'T LIVE BEYOND DEATH CAUSE YOUR SOUL IS YOUR BODY. IF YOU BELIEVE IN HOLY SCRIPTURE THEN YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE BIBLE DOESN'T SUPPORT THE FACT THAT THE SOUL SURVIVES DEATH.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "If you lost your limbs would you still be EDJ?"
OF COURSE I WOULD.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Your soul isn't something that resides within you and keeps you alive."
AND THIS INFORMATION IS BASED ON WHAT? SO IF YOU SAY IS TRUE, THEN WHAT IS?
THEN YOU STRESSED, ". I am unsure as to what your preference is. At first I got the idea that you were Christian. Now, I am not sure...
SO NOW YOU TRYIN' TO PERCEIVE ME? SO WHAT ARE YOU?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Logic won't get you very far on topics of spirituality."
UNTRUE. BUT WHAT WILL THEN?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "It can be a start but it is nothing without faith to go along.
NOW THIS IS TRUE. BUT WHEN YOU STRESS LOgIC, WHAT KIND ARE YOU REFERRIN' TO? CAUSE LOgIC VARIES FROM CULTURE TO CULTURE AND THIS IS KNOWN TO BE MAN-MADE LOgIC AND KNOWLEDgE.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Either the soul is eternal or it is not. If we see it is then we have established something and can embellish on it. If we see it isn't then we have not yet realized it...
THIS KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE AN OXYMORON.
BUT LET ME gO ON TO STRESS THAT YOU MIgHT BE CONFUSIN' THE SOUL TO YOUR SPIRIT. YOUR SPIRIT IS YOUR ESSENCE AND WHAT YOU ARE LIKE. THE SOUL IS YOUR LIFE FORCE. BUT IF YOU WANT SCRIPTURES TO SEE ABOUT THE FACTS I'M STRESSIN' THEN PEEP ECLESIASTES 9:5 FOR STARTERS.
YOU STRESSED, "So you do not believe that the soul is eternal?"
WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE THAT THE SOUL IS ETERNAL? THAT BRINgS US BAK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE SOUL IS. SO AgAIN I ASK YOU, "WHAT IS THE HUMAN SOUL?" "WHAT HAPPENS TO IT WHEN YOU DIE?"
THEN YOU STRESSED, "? May I ask what your religious or spiritual preference is?"
YOU JUST DID. BUT I'M JUST ME. AN EVERY DAY JOE IN SEARCH OF TRUTH.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Also, how can one back up spiritual truth entirely with physical logic?
WITH ACCURATE KNOWLEDgE.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "It appears that you do not believe in the soul, or that you don't believe that it lives on after physical death."
YOUR SOUL DOESN'T LIVE BEYOND DEATH CAUSE YOUR SOUL IS YOUR BODY. IF YOU BELIEVE IN HOLY SCRIPTURE THEN YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE BIBLE DOESN'T SUPPORT THE FACT THAT THE SOUL SURVIVES DEATH.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "If you lost your limbs would you still be EDJ?"
OF COURSE I WOULD.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Your soul isn't something that resides within you and keeps you alive."
AND THIS INFORMATION IS BASED ON WHAT? SO IF YOU SAY IS TRUE, THEN WHAT IS?
THEN YOU STRESSED, ". I am unsure as to what your preference is. At first I got the idea that you were Christian. Now, I am not sure...
SO NOW YOU TRYIN' TO PERCEIVE ME? SO WHAT ARE YOU?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Logic won't get you very far on topics of spirituality."
UNTRUE. BUT WHAT WILL THEN?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "It can be a start but it is nothing without faith to go along.
NOW THIS IS TRUE. BUT WHEN YOU STRESS LOgIC, WHAT KIND ARE YOU REFERRIN' TO? CAUSE LOgIC VARIES FROM CULTURE TO CULTURE AND THIS IS KNOWN TO BE MAN-MADE LOgIC AND KNOWLEDgE.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Either the soul is eternal or it is not. If we see it is then we have established something and can embellish on it. If we see it isn't then we have not yet realized it...
THIS KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE AN OXYMORON.
BUT LET ME gO ON TO STRESS THAT YOU MIgHT BE CONFUSIN' THE SOUL TO YOUR SPIRIT. YOUR SPIRIT IS YOUR ESSENCE AND WHAT YOU ARE LIKE. THE SOUL IS YOUR LIFE FORCE. BUT IF YOU WANT SCRIPTURES TO SEE ABOUT THE FACTS I'M STRESSIN' THEN PEEP ECLESIASTES 9:5 FOR STARTERS.