Definition of "Right" and "Wrong"?

[EDJ]

JLMACN,
THANK YOU FOR ANSWERIN'. JUST ONE THANg STUK OUT FOR THE MOST PART, WHICH WAS:

"If he died at 8-9 years old, I would know that he went to Heaven."

WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU THINK THIS?

AND WOULD IT CHANgE N-E-THANg IF YOUR SON WAS gUNNED DOWN OR RAN OVER OR KILLED IN SOME EXCRUCIATIN' PAIN NATURE?

 

[JLMACN]

JLMACN,
THANK YOU FOR ANSWERIN'. JUST ONE THANg STUK OUT FOR THE MOST PART, WHICH WAS:

"If he died at 8-9 years old, I would know that he went to Heaven."

WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU THINK THIS?

no problem.

I was saying that IF there was a Heaven ...then thats where he would go cuase he actually believes in Jesus and prays all on his own. Not that I believe in heaven, But according to scripture (if its true) then thats where he would be, right?

AND WOULD IT CHANgE N-E-THANg IF YOUR SON WAS gUNNED DOWN OR RAN OVER OR KILLED IN SOME EXCRUCIATIN' PAIN NATURE?

No it wouldnt. I have realized throughout my 25 years of living the only thing promised is death. Even to the Christians we have on board. Just cause you believe in enternal life doesnt mean you wont face getting shot, Stabbed, Choked out, drowned, or any other form of Violent death. Death is gonna come for us all and instead of us being focused on a life after death and how we are gonna be "living" or not. We should be focused on this life and what we can do to better everything for everyone, especially the people that we love the most.

5000

 

[EDJ]

no problem.

I was saying that IF there was a Heaven ...then thats where he would go cuase he actually believes in Jesus and prays all on his own. Not that I believe in heaven, But according to scripture (if its true) then thats where he would be, right?

NO. THAT'S A gENERALIZED PERCEPTION. EVEN YOU, A NON-BELIEVER BELIEVE THAT HEAVEN MUST BE A REWARD IF YOU BELIEVE. THEN WHY WERE WE EVEN CREATED(OR EXISTIN', SINCE YOU DON'T BELIEVE YOU WERE CREATED) HERE ON EARTH, IF HEAVEN SUPPOSED TO BE WHERE WE gO?

No it wouldnt. I have realized throughout my 25 years of living the only thing promised is death. Even to the Christians we have on board. Just cause you believe in enternal life doesnt mean you wont face getting shot, Stabbed, Choked out, drowned, or any other form of Violent death. Death is gonna come for us all and instead of us being focused on a life after death and how we are gonna be "living" or not. We should be focused on this life and what we can do to better everything for everyone, especially the people that we love the most.

5000

THAT'S TRUE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. BUT THIS TEMPORARY BULLSHIT AIN'T SHIT. WHY DO WE DIE? WHY DOES IT FEEL LIKE WE CAN LIVE FOREVA? IF MY LIFE IS TEMPORARY AND I KNOW DEATH IS AROUND THE CORNER, WHY DO I FEAR DEATH AND WANT TO KEEP ON LIVIN'?

 

[Doberman]

no problem.

I was saying that IF there was a Heaven ...then thats where he would go cuase he actually believes in Jesus and prays all on his own. Not that I believe in heaven, But according to scripture (if its true) then thats where he would be, right?



No it wouldnt. I have realized throughout my 25 years of living the only thing promised is death. Even to the Christians we have on board. Just cause you believe in enternal life doesnt mean you wont face getting shot, Stabbed, Choked out, drowned, or any other form of Violent death. Death is gonna come for us all and instead of us being focused on a life after death and how we are gonna be "living" or not. We should be focused on this life and what we can do to better everything for everyone, especially the people that we love the most.

5000

You're right! death is part of living. Just look at the very first stages of becoming what you are now. you've gone from a zygote, embryo, fetus, baby,toddler, kid, teenager, a man, then senior citizen, then death comes. Do you notice the progression here? From each stage, you have gone on to, you have become something better than what you were in the previous stage. See what I'm sayin. Why would this upward progression end with death? My opinion is that we go on after death to be something better than what we were on earth. This time though ...there's a fork in the road.. Heaven or Hell.

 

[EDJ]

^HOW CAN YOU BE SO SURE(HEAVEN AND HELL)? BUT I DISAgREE ABOUT THE PROgRESSION PART. CAUSE YOU ONLY PROgRESS(gROW) TO A CERTAIN POINT AND THEN IT'S BAK TO HOW YOU WERE. IT'S LIKE A HILL. YOU REACH A POINT OR CLIMAX AND THEN YOU DRIFT DOWN TO HOW YOU WERE. THINK ABOUT IT. YOU gET OLD, YOU START DEPENDIN' ON OTHAS LIKE YOU WAS A BABY. EVEN USIN' PAMPERS AgAIN.

 

[Doberman]

^HOW CAN YOU BE SO SURE(HEAVEN AND HELL)? BUT I DISAgREE ABOUT THE PROgRESSION PART. CAUSE YOU ONLY PROgRESS(gROW) TO A CERTAIN POINT AND THEN IT'S BAK TO HOW YOU WERE. IT'S LIKE A HILL. YOU REACH A POINT OR CLIMAX AND THEN YOU DRIFT DOWN TO HOW YOU WERE. THINK ABOUT IT. YOU gET OLD, YOU START DEPENDIN' ON OTHAS LIKE YOU WAS A BABY. EVEN USIN' PAMPERS AgAIN.

I'm not talkin about physical growth.

 

[EDJ]

^I'VE SEEN OLD FOLK ACT LIKE BABY'S TOO, ALL gRUMPY AND SELFISH. AND VERY IMMATURE.

 

[JLMACN]

NO. THAT'S A gENERALIZED PERCEPTION. EVEN YOU, A NON-BELIEVER BELIEVE THAT HEAVEN MUST BE A REWARD IF YOU BELIEVE. THEN WHY WERE WE EVEN CREATED(OR EXISTIN', SINCE YOU DON'T BELIEVE YOU WERE CREATED) HERE ON EARTH, IF HEAVEN SUPPOSED TO BE WHERE WE gO?

I dont know why we are here on earth. I dont think there is a Heaven. I was just simply stating that IF there is one based on my sons beliefs and according to scripture he would be there. I think Heaven is something made up for people to have a reason to wanna be accepted into. Something like when you are younger...you make a "play club" with your friends and it doesnt mean shit in reality but to you it means the world at the time. Or like a gang, to where you have to act, dress, talk, walk, and everything else a certain way for you to be Totally accepted into...

Thats how I see heaven.....it doesnt mean shit to me like (crips and bloods) but It means something to Christians.

THAT'S TRUE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. BUT THIS TEMPORARY BULLSHIT AIN'T SHIT. WHY DO WE DIE? WHY DOES IT FEEL LIKE WE CAN LIVE FOREVA? IF MY LIFE IS TEMPORARY AND I KNOW DEATH IS AROUND THE CORNER, WHY DO I FEAR DEATH AND WANT TO KEEP ON LIVIN'?

who says this is temporary? God? Come on....this is as real as you are ever gonna feel, EDJ.

We die because our bodies are built to age. And with Age our bodies organs that make the body work, start to fail and fall apart on us. No one can help Murder and violent deaths. That has been going on forever and will continue to go on. One question to you: Why do you think dogs and cats die? Or any other animal? I think us feeling like we can live forever is fake. I know Im not gonna live forever. I think everyone wants to live forever, which I also think is one of the main reasons that people become christians or entertain the thought of GOD. I mean if you are buddist you reincarnate, right? Who the fuck wouldnt want to believe that? I mean shit man, If I did believe in a GOD I would believe in reincarnation wayyyyyy before I believe I have to go to Heaven and worship "Jesus" or "God" for thousands of years.

fearing death is one of the most natural feelings in the world. You cant tell me that these so called "godly" people dont fear death. I mean everyone I know religious (all forms) or not, they all fear death. Why do we fear death? Well thats simple...for the simple fact that NO ONE and I MEAN NO ONE knows what really happens when that time comes that your heart stops pumping blood through your body. If we all knew what was going to happen imagine what this world would be like man......
DAMN!

You're right! death is part of living. Just look at the very first stages of becoming what you are now. you've gone from a zygote, embryo, fetus, baby,toddler, kid, teenager, a man, then senior citizen, then death comes. Do you notice the progression here? From each stage, you have gone on to, you have become something better than what you were in the previous stage. See what I'm sayin. Why would this upward progression end with death? My opinion is that we go on after death to be something better than what we were on earth. This time though ...there's a fork in the road.. Heaven or Hell.

I dont agree. Heaven or Hell is not a progression in either one of those places. How is Heaven a progression?

5000

 

[EDJ]

"I dont know why we are here on earth. I dont think there is a Heaven. I was just simply stating that IF there is one based on my sons beliefs and according to scripture he would be there."

HOW DO YOU KNOW YOUR SON'S BELIEFS ARE BASED ON SCRIPTURE? WHAT YOU'RE BASIN' SHIT ON SOUNDS LIKE gENERALIZED PERCEPTION.

, STILL STRESSIN',]"I think Heaven is something made up for people to have a reason to wanna be accepted into. Something like when you are younger...you make a "play club" with your friends and it doesnt mean shit in reality but to you it means the world at the time."

YOU'RE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION AND I BELIEVE WHAT YOU STRESSED IS A REASON WHY PEOPLE BELIEVE IN A HEAVEN AS A REWARD.

"Or like a gang, to where you have to act, dress, talk, walk, and everything else a certain way for you to be Totally accepted into...

Thats how I see heaven.....it doesnt mean shit to me like (crips and bloods) but It means something to Christians."

CORRECTION, "SUPPOSED CHRISTIANS".

"who says this is temporary? God? Come on....this is as real as you are ever gonna feel, EDJ."

NO SHIT. AS FAR AS WE ALL CONCERNED, THIS IS IT. BUT THIS IS SOME TEMPORARY BULLSHIT. IF NOT, WE WOULD LIVE FOREVA AND THAT'S MY POINT. WE HERE ON EARTH FOR A LIMITED TIME TO gO THRU PAIN, SUFFERIN', AND A BUNCH OF OTHA BULLSHIT.

"We die because our bodies are built to age. And with Age our bodies organs that make the body work, start to fail and fall apart on us. No one can help Murder and violent deaths. That has been going on forever and will continue to go on."

YEAH, BUT WHY DO WE HAVE A FEELIN' THAT WE COULD KEEP gOIN'?

"One question to you: Why do you think dogs and cats die? Or any other animal?"

SAME REASON WE ALL DIE. WE ALL IMPERFECT AND INHERITED SIN.

"I think us feeling like we can live forever is fake. I know Im not gonna live forever. I think everyone wants to live forever, which I also think is one of the main reasons that people become christians or entertain the thought of GOD."

TRUE AND WE WERE ALL MADE WITH SPIRITUALITY. NO SCIENCE CAN EXPLAIN THAT. YOU SAY IT'S FAKE, BUT YET AND STILL WE HAVE THAT. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

"I mean if you are buddist you reincarnate, right? Who the fuck wouldnt want to believe that? I mean shit man, If I did believe in a GOD I would believe in reincarnation wayyyyyy before I believe I have to go to Heaven and worship "Jesus" or "God" for thousands of years."

WHO SAID IT WAS FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS? BUT WHY WOULD YOU BELIEVE IN REINCARNATION(COMIN' BAK TO THIS BULLSHIT) BEFORE YOU BELIEVE IN A CELESTIAL REWARD(I AIN'T SAYIN' HEAVEN IS A REWARD FOR HUMANS BUT gOIN' ALONg WITH YOUR QUESTION)? SO WOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT WE WERE MADE TO BE ON EARTH THEN, RIgHT(ASSUMIN' YOU BELIEVED IN A CREATOR)?

"fearing death is one of the most natural feelings in the world. You cant tell me that these so called "godly" people dont fear death. I mean everyone I know religious (all forms) or not, they all fear death. Why do we fear death? Well thats simple...for the simple fact that NO ONE and I MEAN NO ONE knows what really happens when that time comes that your heart stops pumping blood through your body. If we all knew what was going to happen imagine what this world would be like man......
DAMN!"

EXACTLY! WE ALL FEAR THE UNKNOWN.

 

[JLMACN]

HOW DO YOU KNOW YOUR SON'S BELIEFS ARE BASED ON SCRIPTURE? WHAT YOU'RE BASIN' SHIT ON SOUNDS LIKE gENERALIZED PERCEPTION.

Becuase at his tender age of 8, he knows that he has to believe in Jesus in order to believe go to Heaven. Or is this wrong? What does a 8 year old have to do to enter into Heaven?

What do you mean Im basing shit on a generalization? im lost there.

YOU'RE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION AND I BELIEVE WHAT YOU STRESSED IS A REASON WHY PEOPLE BELIEVE IN A HEAVEN AS A REWARD.

Yep.

CORRECTION, "SUPPOSED CHRISTIANS".

Thanks.

NO SHIT. AS FAR AS WE ALL CONCERNED, THIS IS IT. BUT THIS IS SOME TEMPORARY BULLSHIT. IF NOT, WE WOULD LIVE FOREVA AND THAT'S MY POINT. WE HERE ON EARTH FOR A LIMITED TIME TO gO THRU PAIN, SUFFERIN', AND A BUNCH OF OTHA BULLSHIT.

So do you believe, this is our hell?

YEAH, BUT WHY DO WE HAVE A FEELIN' THAT WE COULD KEEP gOIN'?

I think your young and are in your prime. Now when you are 85-90 and can hardly walk or breathe or constantly in and outta the hospital. It will hit you that you can not go on, forever. It has already hit me with seeing my pops Dying of Diabetes. Watching his body get ate up within the last 6-7 years has totally awoke me from this "DREAM" that I will live forever.

SAME REASON WE ALL DIE. WE ALL IMPERFECT AND INHERITED SIN.

So you think that animals sin? Or just that adam and eve sinned so they fucked us all? even animals?

TRUE AND WE WERE ALL MADE WITH SPIRITUALITY. NO SCIENCE CAN EXPLAIN THAT. YOU SAY IT'S FAKE, BUT YET AND STILL WE HAVE THAT. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

I dont believe in Spirituality. I think its a religous term for Concious(sp?).

WHO SAID IT WAS FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS? BUT WHY WOULD YOU BELIEVE IN REINCARNATION(COMIN' BAK TO THIS BULLSHIT) BEFORE YOU BELIEVE IN A CELESTIAL REWARD(I AIN'T SAYIN' HEAVEN IS A REWARD FOR HUMANS BUT gOIN' ALONg WITH YOUR QUESTION)? SO WOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT WE WERE MADE TO BE ON EARTH THEN, RIgHT(ASSUMIN' YOU BELIEVED IN A CREATOR)?

So how long are we in heaven if its not for eternity?
I would believe in reincarnation because thats the greediness in me.

Like biggie put it: When I die fuck it i wanna go to hell (in my terms this is earth)/ cause ima piece of shit it aint hard to fuckin tell/ it dont make sense goin to heaven with the goodie-goodies,dressed in white/ I like black tims and black hoodies/ God'll prolly have me on some real strick shit/ no sleepin all day no getting my dick licked/ hangin with the goodie-goodies, loungin in paradise/ fuck that shit I wanna tote guns and shoot dice.....

I guess what Im saying is. I dont wanna serve no one (assuming I had a choice) Id rather come back and play the field. yep.

SO WOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT WE WERE MADE TO BE ON EARTH THEN, RIgHT(ASSUMIN' YOU BELIEVED IN A CREATOR)?

Assuming I believed in a creator...i would say we were made to be apart of the game that the devil/satan/licifer/God/Jesus all play. It doesnt make sense for like to be the way it is and still believe in a creator.

EXACTLY! WE ALL FEAR THE UNKNOWN.

YES!


5000

 

[EDJ]

Becuase at his tender age of 8, he knows that he has to believe in Jesus in order to believe go to Heaven. Or is this wrong? What does a 8 year old have to do to enter into Heaven?

THAT'S THE THANg, YOUR 8 YEAR OLD IS gOIN' OFF OF WHAT HE IS TOLD. TO EVEN ASK WHAT IT IS TO gO TO A "SUPPOSED" PLACE IS WHAT'S WRONg CAUSE YOU ASSUMIN' THAT THAT PLACE IS WHERE YOU SUPPOSED TO gO OFF TOP.

What do you mean Im basing shit on a generalization? im lost there.

LIKE I SAID, HEAVEN AND HELL IS THE gENERAL PERCEPTION AND CONCEPT OF MOST, EVEN FOR THOSE THAT DON'T BELIEVE OR READ SCRIPTURE.

So do you believe, this is our hell?

EXACTLY. LOOK AT IT. THIS WORLD IS REALLY FUCCED UP.

I think your young and are in your prime. Now when you are 85-90 and can hardly walk or breathe or constantly in and outta the hospital. It will hit you that you can not go on, forever. It has already hit me with seeing my pops Dying of Diabetes. Watching his body get ate up within the last 6-7 years has totally awoke me from this "DREAM" that I will live forever.

I AIN'T THAT YOUNg. MY POINT IS THAT WE ALL OPTIMISTIC THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE FOREVA AND DEATH AIN'T REAL TIL WE OLD AND ABOUT TO DIE, OR WE SEEN DEATH IN OUR FAMILY. BUT YET AND STILL THE WILL TO LIVE IS THERE. WE DON'T WANNA LET gO. IF YOU HAD A CHOICE OF LIVIN' FOREVA IF YOU COULD(WITH PERFECT HEALTH AND YOUR LOVED ONES ALONg WITH YOU), YOU WOULD CHOOSE THAT AUTOMATICALLY OVER DEATH. WHO WOULDN'T?

So you think that animals sin? Or just that adam and eve sinned so they fucked us all? even animals?

YUP, ADAM INTRODUCED SIN.

I dont believe in Spirituality. I think its a religous term for Concious(sp?).

REgARDLESS OF SYMANTECS, YOU KNOW WE ALL HAVE THAT WITHIN US. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT?

So how long are we in heaven if its not for eternity?
I would believe in reincarnation because thats the greediness in me.

WHO SAID WE IN HEAVEN? BUT YEAH, YOU CAN'T BECOME A VICTIM OF YOUR OWN gREED. I gOT A SONg ABOUT THAT SHIT PLAYA.

Like biggie put it: When I die fuck it i wanna go to hell (in my terms this is earth)/ cause ima piece of shit it aint hard to fuckin tell/ it dont make sense goin to heaven with the goodie-goodies,dressed in white/ I like black tims and black hoodies/ God'll prolly have me on some real strick shit/ no sleepin all day no getting my dick licked/ hangin with the goodie-goodies, loungin in paradise/ fuck that shit I wanna tote guns and shoot dice.....

I guess what Im saying is. I dont wanna serve no one (assuming I had a choice) Id rather come back and play the field. yep.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU TOO CAUgHT UP IN THE FRUITS OF THE FLESH.

Assuming I believed in a creator...i would say we were made to be apart of the game that the devil/satan/licifer/God/Jesus all play. It doesnt make sense for like to be the way it is and still believe in a creator.

YEAH, SHIT IS FUCCED UP. THANgS WEREN'T MEANT TO BE THIS WAY, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. I HIgHLY RECCOMEND THAT YOU READ THE STORY OF JOB IF YOU DON'T KNOW IT ALREADY. MY POINT WAS THAT WOULDN'T IT BE MORE LOgICAL TO THINK THAT WE WERE MADE TO BE HERE ON EARTH INSTEAD OF WAITIN' TO gO TO A PLACE THAT YOU NEVA BEEN BEFORE?