CRICET: THE MOST SECRETLY HATED ON IN DAGO

[50cal]

i also want to ask this, say you want a certain instrument, and u have someone play it for you, but he has no say in how the melody will go, u hum it out or mouth it until he gets it exactly the way u want it, now this might be what 50cal was implying, sorry im not sure, now is this produced by yourself, im leaning more towards yes, but if the other person has a say in what the shits gonna sound like, then i wouldnt say ITS YOUR OWN production.

thats exactly what Im talking about, and for me making beats as a hobby the first thing I learned was I had the mind of a battlecat, and quik, but somewhere between my mind and my fingertips i sounded nothing like that.My real point is,Its a gift to make beats, so if you hum a beat and someone else plays it for you,then you play the drum part(wich is the easiest part) You still are the producer(kind of???), but I would be humble and would never even put myself in contention of being the best beatmaker.

 

[DuceTheTruth]

Now if you hum a melody out and someone else plays it, Id pretty much say that the person doin the playing out of the melody would be more like the co-producer of the beat, IF the beatmaker wanted to give him that title or not.

 

[50cal]

Now if you hum a melody out and someone else plays it, Id pretty much say that the person doin the playing out of the melody would be more like the co-producer of the beat, IF the beatmaker wanted to give him that title or not.

you right sort of??? It depends if they have a written agreement.Typically the person playing the instruments is work for hire and dont receive credits unless the producer states so in the contract.They ususally work for a hourly rate or flat fee wich aint bad cause alot of beats go by the wayside, but there is a chance of big royalties on a big hit.

 

[KeG]

O.k a beat(cause this is what we really talkin about) is made with a triton or a fantom x I have my friend play the melody and baseline, I throw on a kick, a snare, and some hihats, then my friend plays some electric piano for some atmosphere and the beat is complete.Did I make this beat? or is it a collaboration

Depends. Did this friend of yours just play what he wanted? or did you tell him specifically what you want him to do and how you want him to do it? Assuming that were the case, then you would still be the producer of that beat because the ideas are yours. It'd be a collaboration if your friend gave his own two cents and the beat changed as a result of that input. I would think a duo like the Neptunes probably work in this manner in which, together, they work out how the beat should sound.

 

[50cal]

Depends. Did this friend of yours just play what he wanted? or did you tell him specifically what you want him to do and how you want him to do it? Assuming that were the case, then you would still be the producer of that beat because the ideas are yours. It'd be a collaboration if your friend gave his own two cents and the beat changed as a result of that input. I would think a duo like the Neptunes probably work in this manner in which, together, they work out how the beat should sound.[/Q

I already know the answers to questions Ive asked, Im just sparkin up conversation and seeing what others think.the neptunes are a production team, kind of like my friend touch tone and raw steel who are the demolition men( not the ones in the bay makin mixtapes) they have done alot but the biggest was on the flip mode first c.d. and Imx they did if you wanna stay the night.
on a smaller level lets say you are makin an album and cant play keys or dont no anyone, you will hire someone who can, he will usually charge an hourly rate unless he beleives in your project he may work for a percentage of the production credits.wich if he is smart he will work hourly cause your a nobody there aint gonna be no money, and if you get a deal they may scrap those songs anyways.so you hum your melody is he gonna do it to your hum to a T? no he is gonna be in tune and is gonna adjust to make sure it plays where it needs to be played and he is gonna add a lil extra on it and make it slap.If he was gonna do exactly your hum then you wouldnt need him you can hum and play the keys yourself making several passes note by note.

 

[HeaterVille]

yall niggas got it twisted up bad.... first of all there is a difference between makin a beat and producin a track....makin a beat has to do with songwriting...if more than one person is makin a beat they all get songwriting credit... but as far as production, alot more roles take place...whos recording it...whos mixin it...whos paying for it... whos singin or rappin on it with who's lyrics...etc., and whoever has the most responsibility for the particular song is the producer. Then you got producer and executive producer...those are two different roles as well... what yall are talkin about is beatmakin... one person is makin the drums and the other person puts the music in... well if thats the case you gotta ask yourself can the person that put the drums in do the music part as well... and is it vice versa? most of the time it aint.. but i tell you this...if cricet is jus doin the beat and steve vicious is puttin the music down... im pretty sure steve vicious dont need cricet to make a beat....bottomline is beatmakin is not producin... its a part of it..

 

[50cal]

well put ,cause in hip hop the word producer is thrown out very loosely, but majority of time the producer is a beatmaker, dr dre is a producer, dj quik is a producer, my homies I get beats from are beatmakers( even though they can run the boards and outboard gear).There was once a conversation where daz was sayin during those deathrow days I was producin most of the hits etc, question is if you was doin all that then it wouldnt be nothin to do it now.I think he makes cool beats,but it was dre that made them hits(along with other factors.
another scenario. I make a beat( for this example lets just say its hot) I engineer the vocals etc to the finished product.Now dj quik takes that same beat(not altering the sequences) and engineers the same rapper same lyrics to the finidhed product
I guarantee you will almost think they were two different songs with only the same structure.There are to many people who are good at many things but dont want to be a master at one, and again not everyone is capable,its a gift.look at the dave moss beat on young sicc album, yes it was a remake of a beat used often but not only is it in tune,he didnt overplay it, it has a distinctive sound that sets it apart from the otthers in the past who tried to do it.Again my questions were to more or less get an answer from cricet as far as him saying he dont play the instrument parts he just does the beat, and I mean no disrespect, shit do what you do,Me personally I think he is a better rapper then beatmaker, Its not that he excells lyrically its just he knows how to get his point across on the mic and its convincing

 

[WT SAVAGE]

never even heard of dude b4

 

[50cal]

Look about one post of yours thats him heaterville, I aint gonna front if not the best one of the best in dago

 

[M-1]

Cricet never responds to threads he starts

 

[Rasan]

trigeration station best beats was e-low haNDS DOWN Cricets beats on independence day was his tightest
Speakin on beats on that anger management what was up with that bass that shit was cranked up, still tight though

which beat?
i did the beat with young droop on it
my boy did the beat with young holly and r beta on there...
i didn't think rocc and them was gone use it...he just came to my house last year and just put the beat ona cd for him real fast didn't have time to mix it like i wanted to...
as for joe's beat same thing, we was in the studio years ago, and young holly liked that beat so we just recorded it real fast. so i apologize mr 50 cal!

 

[50cal]

which beat?
i did the beat with young droop on it
my boy did the beat with young holly and r beta on there...
i didn't think rocc and them was gone use it...he just came to my house last year and just put the beat ona cd for him real fast didn't have time to mix it like i wanted to...
as for joe's beat same thing, we was in the studio years ago, and young holly liked that beat so we just recorded it real fast. so i apologize mr 50 cal!

No offense..I knew that was probably be the reason, it was the beat with young holly I was talkin about, dont get me wrong I like the bass sound as did the guy mixing it down, oh thats right you said you did years ago. reminds me of the beat my homie did on thuglords 44 mag glock, when my homie hears the finished project he is like damn I should have mixed that song for them, the beat was distorted in the hook, also on gangsta from the comrads c,d the song me and my bitch, my homie wasnt feelin that either.I guess for beatmakers its cool to get broke off some chips for some beats, especially on a major project, its good promotion for you, but if it is mixed poorly then your beat is gonna sound like shit.If possible and time permits beatmakers should sit in on the mixdown to make sure shits right( even though that shit rarely happens, especially when you sellin beats on the east coast and shit

 

[Rasan]

man it was mainey in the sideways studio back in the day!
and plus to defend joe, his drum machine was on its last leg at the time so sometimes when ya recorded a beat the vloume would jump unexpectedly...
but that was back in 2002 when the jetsons first arrived! so its definitely a different story now.

 

[50cal]

Im already knowin the jetsons have great potential, the rock is in your hand what you gonna do with it.I never tell anyone what they should do, but I feel, some producers are initially trippin off the money, I think your resumer is important get out there and network, it costs money to make money, sometimes the artist you may network with aint necessarily gonna make any noise but he may have connects to get you closer to a bigger source, if you in dago and stay in dago tryin to sell beats your gonn a be spinnin your wheels.If I was talented like that I would probably build up my resume then maybe after you get a lil name sell some beats and at the same time work on a project of your own, you can even slide tracks for verses etc

 

[DuceTheTruth]

Man..the beats on that anger Management was SMASHIN. That was the first cd in a while that I could mash from front to back.

 

[Rasan]

oh mr 50 cal thats what i'm doing mayne!!!
and i got my beats for cheap too and i can make anyhing you want any style.
...i guess this thread is dead huh cuz cricet ain't gonna respond to you guys.

 

[FREAKS]

oh mr 50 cal thats what i'm doing mayne!!!
and i got my beats for cheap too and i can make anyhing you want any style.
...i guess this thread is dead huh cuz cricet ain't gonna respond to you guys.

imma check your ish when i get to the pad.

 

[50cal]

oh mr 50 cal thats what i'm doing mayne!!!
and i got my beats for cheap too and i can make anyhing you want any style.
...i guess this thread is dead huh cuz cricet ain't gonna respond to you guys.

he responde in the other thread and i think, he was a lil upset

 

[50cal]

imma check your ish when i get to the pad.

freaks whats up yeah i vouch for the jetsons, being i already bought my beats I didnt get any from them, one time I was with bossman and I said who you fuckin with and he said slikk rikk, dave moss, the jetsons, I was like yeah cool not really knowin that the jetsons are tight, you may not like everything the artists picked to rap to but I heard some shit and I was made a beleiver that there are more then 3 beatmakers in dago

 

[CoopDVill]

Im already knowin the jetsons have great potential, the rock is in your hand what you gonna do with it.I never tell anyone what they should do, but I feel, some producers are initially trippin off the money, I think your resumer is important get out there and network, it costs money to make money, sometimes the artist you may network with aint necessarily gonna make any noise but he may have connects to get you closer to a bigger source, if you in dago and stay in dago tryin to sell beats your gonn a be spinnin your wheels.If I was talented like that I would probably build up my resume then maybe after you get a lil name sell some beats and at the same time work on a project of your own, you can even slide tracks for verses etc

i been saying the same shit for the longest...just thought i throw my 2cents in there...lol