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XxtraManish said:
I would have to say so. The conecpts and guidlines that you are supposed to live by as a Christian are not all that difficult, especially if you ACTUALLY, WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE in the Bible. Failing to adhere to those principles would indicate that one in fact does not believe what the Bible says.
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It's been a while bro, How ya been. But back to the topic, are you serious? So if a woman entices me to lay down with her in bed and I refuse yet lust in my mind, I do not believe what the bible says? Just because you wholeheartedly believe in the bible, does that automatically mean we are impervious to sin?

Hemp said:
just to admit that we all sin automatically conditions ones self into sinning.
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Yet denying that you are not a sinner means you are not sinning? Then what's the purpose of asking Allah for forgiveness.

NuttKase said:
I love how there are so many "other explanations" for what things "really ment" that are written in the bible. I guess the author(s) weren't good at getting their point across clearly or something.

lol
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I guess you guys are taking it a bit too literal. Like JLMACN said any man that takes the bible in it's entirety literally is not getting the real picture. The bible as a whole is not or was not created to be taken literally, some parts are to be while others not.

 
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The Red Sin said:
Yet denying that you are not a sinner means you are not sinning? Then what's the purpose of asking Allah for forgiveness.
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its not about denying that you are a sinner, its about INTENDING on not sinning when the time comes.
i know many pious muslims who never sin according to their knowledge.
asking god for forgiveness is when one has sinned knowingly.

i didnt say all muslims dont sin, i said not all humans are automatically sinners like you believe and been conditioned to do.
 
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exactly, and come to think of it stockton, you are actually one of the people that take it literally, word for word, unless it was something so obvious such as jesus saying he came to fight.
quit being such a pushover, this will not get you accepted by the crowd.
 
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HERESY said:
Stockton what part of the bible do you feel should be taken literally? What parts do you feel should be taken figuratively/allegorically?
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Figuratively, the verse 2-0-SIXX gave, revelation, Psalms, many of Jesus' Parables, proverbs,

Literally, The Torah, and many parts of the Tanakh, Stories like the Flood, the creation, the resurrection of Y'shua, the return, the raptures of Moses Bones, Enoch and Elijah, Jonah and the whale.

Do you want me to give you each parts? Or do you see where I'm at?
 
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Sicc OG
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Hemp said:
exactly, and come to think of it stockton, you are actually one of the people that take it literally, word for word, unless it was something so obvious such as jesus saying he came to fight.
quit being such a pushover, this will not get you accepted by the crowd.
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What makes you think I accept the entire bible literally?
 
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Sicc OG
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i never said you took it all literally, maybe i did but i meant with the current beliefs that you learned from the bible is proof you took it literally.

and about your reply ro heresy, ok then so you are saying that its up to each individual to pick n choose which parts of the bible sound like they should be taken literally and which dont?


this is of no help to any new christian converts.
too bad for their ignorance they shall suffer eternally
 
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Sicc OG
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Hemp said:
i never said you took it all literally, maybe i did but i meant with the current beliefs that you learned from the bible is proof you took it literally.

and about your reply ro heresy, ok then so you are saying that its up to each individual to pick n choose which parts of the bible sound like they should be taken literally and which dont?


this is of no help to any new christian converts.
too bad for their ignorance they shall suffer eternally
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Nah Hemp Like I've stated in the pass ignorance along with benevolence are passes IMO, and is up to God to judge and Not me.

I'm not trying to convert anyone Brother
 
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Sicc OG
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i never said you were trying to convert people but isnt conversion the GOAL ?
isnt that what all people of religion want everybody to do?

so i wasnt saying your statement is flawed , but instead that your religion is.
 
XxtraMannish

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The Red Sin said:
It's been a while bro, How ya been. But back to the topic, are you serious? So if a woman entices me to lay down with her in bed and I refuse yet lust in my mind, I do not believe what the bible says? Just because you wholeheartedly believe in the bible, does that automatically mean we are impervious to sin?
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Exactly. If you have lust in your mind, and you consider it to be against your belief, but you say you wholeheartedly agree with everything in the Bible, that doesn't make sense.
 
Nuttkase

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The Red Sin said:
I guess you guys are taking it a bit too literal. Like JLMACN said any man that takes the bible in it's entirety literally is not getting the real picture. The bible as a whole is not or was not created to be taken literally, some parts are to be while others not.
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Okay, if you say so.

So how do you know which parts are which and if you are to take that part literally or not? To me that sounds like people just want to twist things to fit what they/others want it to mean. It must get pretty confusing. I've read the bible a few times and for the most part it seems to flow pretty coherently and I would have a hard time telling what to take as fact or truth (haha) and what I'd have to interpret.
 
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Nuttkase said:
Okay, if you say so.

So how do you know which parts are which and if you are to take that part literally or not?
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You go back and you attempt to study the original languages the verses were written in. In addition, you pay attention to breaks, how new verses are introduced and the words being used. You also take head to the writing style and voice being used. Another thing you do is take the political climate at the time the piece was written into consideration and break down what the author is trying to convey.
 
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HERESY said:
You go back and you attempt to study the original languages the verses were written in. In addition, you pay attention to breaks, how new verses are introduced and the words being used. You also take head to the writing style and voice being used. Another thing you do is take the political climate at the time the piece was written into consideration and break down what the author is trying to convey.
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i mean its hard enough trying to convince somebody to even believe that the bible is the truth, let alone convince them to study it thoroughly.

most people who already believe the bible is bs like my parents will never ever go through all that.
instead, they will just take the whole thing literally like they did with the koran.

i feel what you are saying tho but i guess one must have motivation to do all that.
 
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