Central District oporation crackdown
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No offense, but how can you even speak on something more than I have, when Ive been in the town almost 30 years? I lived in the Central at one point, I dont even think you were BORN yet now that I think about it.
All I know is, I came BACK there last year, and thought I had accidentally made a wrong turn into Magnolia. Just wait, when they finaly push Ezelles OUT of there, then people will REALLY be up in arms.
All I know is, I came BACK there last year, and thought I had accidentally made a wrong turn into Magnolia. Just wait, when they finaly push Ezelles OUT of there, then people will REALLY be up in arms.
I dont mind diversion of neighborhoods, but I do mind when the city is intentially "whitening" the city.I would rather pride myself on living ina city that has much more flattened numbers as a whole. Look at Vancouver BC, one of the most, if not THE most, ethnic diverse cities in the WORLD. And it SHOWS when you walk down the streets. I see more interacial couples in Vanny than I EVER see in Seattle.
Vancouver BC is not even close to being one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. Up there you have a huge white influence and a huge Asian influence but relatively small pockets of anything else. That's 2 of 6 populated continents you've got covered there.
Can't even begin to compare Seattle and Vancouver. Vancouver is less white than Seattle, that is true (49% compared to 67%). Vancouver BC is also a hell of a lot less black than Seattle (2% to 9%) and a hell of a lot less Latino than Seattle (3% to 6%).
You can't compare a huge melting pot of Asian ethnicities to an American city with African Americans and Latinos. Different histories, different social status, different a lot of things. Portland is the city that's fair to compare Seattle to.
Can't even begin to compare Seattle and Vancouver. Vancouver is less white than Seattle, that is true (49% compared to 67%). Vancouver BC is also a hell of a lot less black than Seattle (2% to 9%) and a hell of a lot less Latino than Seattle (3% to 6%).
You can't compare a huge melting pot of Asian ethnicities to an American city with African Americans and Latinos. Different histories, different social status, different a lot of things. Portland is the city that's fair to compare Seattle to.
xpanther is right we are very cultually diverse but the Black community is very small here. The majority of the ethnic make-up here consists of east indians, asians, and whites. We are still one of the most diverse city's in the world though.
Back in the 60's we did have a fairly populous black community that got gentrified(Hogan's Alley) the mojoriry of them got dispursed to other nearby cities, or simply headed back to America.
Now the majority of blacks in the Lowermainland consists of African and Carribean immigrints. Most of the black population now lives in cities such as New Westminster, Burnaby, Surrey.
Vancouver and Seattle, although alike in alot of ways, they very different too.
Back in the 60's we did have a fairly populous black community that got gentrified(Hogan's Alley) the mojoriry of them got dispursed to other nearby cities, or simply headed back to America.
Now the majority of blacks in the Lowermainland consists of African and Carribean immigrints. Most of the black population now lives in cities such as New Westminster, Burnaby, Surrey.
Vancouver and Seattle, although alike in alot of ways, they very different too.
Good points. That's interesting about having a black population that got gentrified in the 60s, I didn't know that. Do you know what percentage of the city they represented at their peak?
W/ Seattle and any Canadian city, the keyword is RELATIVITY
Seattle is viewed as having very few black people and a very low crime rate, and by American standards, those are both true statements.
By Canadian standards, Seattle is a very black city with a very high crime rate.
Anybody interested in this idea should read a book that came out in the 1990s called "A Tale of Two Cities" by Morton Beebe and J. Kingston Pierce. Basically the whole work centers around how despite very close location, climate and even political culture, Seattle and Vancouver are worlds apart in terms of demographics and violent crimes, but each of those cities is viewed entirely differently by citizens of their own countries, b/c of this whole America vs. Canada relativity idea. Very good reading.
So Jesse stick to Seattle vs. other American cities, particularly Portland b/c of similar demographics, histories and location. You can't even bring Vancouver into this.
W/ Seattle and any Canadian city, the keyword is RELATIVITY
Seattle is viewed as having very few black people and a very low crime rate, and by American standards, those are both true statements.
By Canadian standards, Seattle is a very black city with a very high crime rate.
Anybody interested in this idea should read a book that came out in the 1990s called "A Tale of Two Cities" by Morton Beebe and J. Kingston Pierce. Basically the whole work centers around how despite very close location, climate and even political culture, Seattle and Vancouver are worlds apart in terms of demographics and violent crimes, but each of those cities is viewed entirely differently by citizens of their own countries, b/c of this whole America vs. Canada relativity idea. Very good reading.
So Jesse stick to Seattle vs. other American cities, particularly Portland b/c of similar demographics, histories and location. You can't even bring Vancouver into this.
Not sure of the exact numbers but I'm sure it was still very small compared to other major cities. But there was definatly a presense, alot of black owned businesses etc. Another Gentrification is going on in the same area of what is left of Hogans Alley now called "Strathcona". The area which is the poorest neighborhood in Canada is slowly becoming yuppified. Which is a good thing, the area needs it, anyone thats been to the downtown eastside of Vancouver knows how bad it is. Main & Hastings is drenched in homelessness and drugs. I would compare it to San francisco's Tenderloin.
A picture of a Strathcona neighborhood
Here is a site that shows what they are turning the neighborhood into.
http://www.greenclub.bc.ca/Regions/Vancouver/Downtown/Strathcona/strathcona.html
Info on Hogans Alley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogan's_Alley_(Vancouver)
A picture of a Strathcona neighborhood
Here is a site that shows what they are turning the neighborhood into.
http://www.greenclub.bc.ca/Regions/Vancouver/Downtown/Strathcona/strathcona.html
Info on Hogans Alley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogan's_Alley_(Vancouver)
When you metion Asian, you also have to mention Punjabi and many Middle Eastern countries. Vancouver is more diverse than Seattle is my point and the city houses many more ethnicities than Seattle does.
BTW, Seattle is over 70% white, not 67%.
White persons, percent, 2000 (a) 70.1% 81.8%
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/53/5363000.html
51% of Vancouver is Caucasian...
BTW, Seattle is over 70% white, not 67%.
White persons, percent, 2000 (a) 70.1% 81.8%
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/53/5363000.html
51% of Vancouver is Caucasian...
Toxsick said:
Not sure of the exact numbers but I'm sure it was still very small compared to other major cities. But there was definatly a presense, alot of black owned businesses etc. Another Gentrification is going on in the same area of what is left of Hogans Alley now called "Strathcona". The area which is the poorest neighborhood in Canada is slowly becoming yuppified. Which is a good thing, the area needs it, anyone thats been to the downtown eastside of Vancouver knows how bad it is. Main & Hastings is drenched in homelessness and drugs. I would compare it to San francisco's Tenderloin.
A picture of a Strathcona neighborhood
Here is a site that shows what they are turning the neighborhood into.
http://www.greenclub.bc.ca/Regions/Vancouver/Downtown/Strathcona/strathcona.html
Info on Hogans Alley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogan's_Alley_(Vancouver)
A picture of a Strathcona neighborhood
Here is a site that shows what they are turning the neighborhood into.
http://www.greenclub.bc.ca/Regions/Vancouver/Downtown/Strathcona/strathcona.html
Info on Hogans Alley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogan's_Alley_(Vancouver)
Thanks for replying that's interesting, I had heard of the Downtown Eastside before and read a little about it b/c that was the spot that sick fuck picked all those women up who he killed.
I also remember driving through an area that looked pretty working class on my way to a Foo Fighters concert at the old hockey arena, it was driving straight north towards the water, then we made a right and eventually ended up in a nice area nearby the arena.
Vancouver & Seattle = Different.
Portland & Seattle = not different
You've made your point and nobody has disputed it. Vancouver is less white than Seattle. But two things:
1) For the purposes of this discussion on black gentrification, Seattle is the more diverse place b/c Seattle has roughly quintuple the black population that Vancouver has. Furthermore if you are saying that even if they did somehow have the black population Seattle did that any outcomes would be different up there, well we have a VanCity native Toxsick who has enlightened us that even despite their tiny black population up there, the exact same thing happened.
The grass is not always greener on the other side, Seattle is a great place to be a minority economically speaking, but where a lot of the hardships come in is on the cultural side of things, which is what we're talking about right now.
2) "Racial diversity" is an opinion thing. My own opinion is that diversity doesn't = Non-White population. Non-White population is an important component but not an end all be all.
I'm gonna try to establish your personal definition for you, I'll just ask you a few direct questions and I want a direct answer:
Which city is more diverse in your opinion:
A) Memphis TN or B) Las Vegas NV?
A) Cincinnati OH or B) Minneapolis MN?
A) St. Louis MO or B) Toronto ON?
Don't look up White, look up "Non-Hispanic White." I know what I'm doing w/ the Census, I would be working for them if I wasn't doing my thing here in the MIL.
1) For the purposes of this discussion on black gentrification, Seattle is the more diverse place b/c Seattle has roughly quintuple the black population that Vancouver has. Furthermore if you are saying that even if they did somehow have the black population Seattle did that any outcomes would be different up there, well we have a VanCity native Toxsick who has enlightened us that even despite their tiny black population up there, the exact same thing happened.
The grass is not always greener on the other side, Seattle is a great place to be a minority economically speaking, but where a lot of the hardships come in is on the cultural side of things, which is what we're talking about right now.
2) "Racial diversity" is an opinion thing. My own opinion is that diversity doesn't = Non-White population. Non-White population is an important component but not an end all be all.
I'm gonna try to establish your personal definition for you, I'll just ask you a few direct questions and I want a direct answer:
Which city is more diverse in your opinion:
A) Memphis TN or B) Las Vegas NV?
A) Cincinnati OH or B) Minneapolis MN?
A) St. Louis MO or B) Toronto ON?
Don't look up White, look up "Non-Hispanic White." I know what I'm doing w/ the Census, I would be working for them if I wasn't doing my thing here in the MIL.
XPanther, no disrespect, but in that post where you said you were afraid of getting out of your car in the city you now live in hoods...c'mon, dude. Me personally, I'll go wherever the fuck I want and I ain't afraid of any neighborhood. Ofcourse I ain't just gonna start shit with fools in every neighborhood I go to, but being afraid to get out the ride is nonsense.
I've been to alot of cities, and not one hood has had me to scared to park my car, stop at a light, or take a stroll there if I wanted. Doesn't matter where you go, sometimes cats want to talk shit, but MAJORITY of the time, noone starts shit no matter where it's at unless you give them a reason.
I've been to alot of cities, and not one hood has had me to scared to park my car, stop at a light, or take a stroll there if I wanted. Doesn't matter where you go, sometimes cats want to talk shit, but MAJORITY of the time, noone starts shit no matter where it's at unless you give them a reason.
Couldn't agree with you more on the underlined point. Key phrase, "majority of the time." Hell I'll even give you "vast majority of the time" on that one.
But the right blocks at the right times of the week, it's just not happening. I'm estimating about 1-5% of the city I'd make that statement about, so keep that in mind and take what I wrote w/ a grain of salt b/c it's not redlining an entire side of the city, I've already got my North Side streets memorized here, already gone digging for local businesses to explore & music to buy etc.
I don't want to play this card too much b/c I don't know where you may have stayed outside Seattle during your life, but this is not Seattle this is Milwaukee we are talking about here.
But the right blocks at the right times of the week, it's just not happening. I'm estimating about 1-5% of the city I'd make that statement about, so keep that in mind and take what I wrote w/ a grain of salt b/c it's not redlining an entire side of the city, I've already got my North Side streets memorized here, already gone digging for local businesses to explore & music to buy etc.
I don't want to play this card too much b/c I don't know where you may have stayed outside Seattle during your life, but this is not Seattle this is Milwaukee we are talking about here.
I understand homie. Never been to Milawaukee so I wouldn't know about that city in particular. I've stayed in Seattle, Tacoma, Phoenix, Portland and the L.A. to Riverside areas of SoCal. I see your point, bro. I'd be more worried in certain areas in Seattle and Tacoma then those other cities I mentioned, only because I'm known and have a shitload more rivals out there than the other towns.
I have no clue, but I know that Toronto is seen as "the most diverse city in the world"...
And as far as blacks in Vancouver and Seattle, there are hardly ANY African-Canadian's in Canada....PERIOD. Most of the "dark skinned" folks are from the Bahamas/Carribean/Trinidad. My ex is from Canada (i cant remember what Providence), and she alwways talked about the HUGE Trinidadian population there. There just isnt very many African-Canadians compared to African-Americans...so that may have been an unfair comparison by myself.
It says "white"...not "non-hispanic white"...but ill let you tell it.
And as far as blacks in Vancouver and Seattle, there are hardly ANY African-Canadian's in Canada....PERIOD. Most of the "dark skinned" folks are from the Bahamas/Carribean/Trinidad. My ex is from Canada (i cant remember what Providence), and she alwways talked about the HUGE Trinidadian population there. There just isnt very many African-Canadians compared to African-Americans...so that may have been an unfair comparison by myself.
It says "white"...not "non-hispanic white"...but ill let you tell it.
Yes, Toronto has a very large african canadian population, alot escpaed up there during slavery and alot of carribean's migrated there. More so culturally diverse than Vancouver as far of the ammount of black people, Vancouver having more of an asian population than Toronto though.
Halifax, you wouldnt think it but has a very large black population as well most of the families are linked to the slave days.
Halifax, you wouldnt think it but has a very large black population as well most of the families are linked to the slave days.