Catholic Nun, Killed by Islamic Etremists
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damn then them christians must have had some wealthy ass politicians on their side cuz the christian part looks completely rebuilt with security guards all over the malls and theaters.
but i totally know about the ignorance that comes from muslims towards everybody else and i can see how they might have started it.
From the link:
ISLAMIC TERRORISM UPON MUSLIMS WHO LEAVE ISLAM
Muhammad was not content to conquer by force, or kill those who merely opposed him verbally. Muhammad also taught that Muslims who leave the Islamic faith are to be murdered as well. Here are some quotes from Bukhari's collection of Hadith. Remember, Bukhari's Hadith is the second, following the Qur'an, most important writing in Islam,.
Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17
"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57,
Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."
Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 64
Narrated Ali, "Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's messenger, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky, then ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you, (not a Hadith), then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's messenger saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people, who will say the best words, but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will leave the faith) and will go out from their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."
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explain something to me shoowilla, now i know "Al-Bukhari" is one of the if not THE most trusted source for the prophets quotes.
now this site says "Bukhari Volume etc", but before each number it has "Narrated by some other name".
does that still mean that these are bukharis words and just spread by these new narrators or is there a flaw in what the link says?
ISLAMIC TERRORISM UPON MUSLIMS WHO LEAVE ISLAM
Muhammad was not content to conquer by force, or kill those who merely opposed him verbally. Muhammad also taught that Muslims who leave the Islamic faith are to be murdered as well. Here are some quotes from Bukhari's collection of Hadith. Remember, Bukhari's Hadith is the second, following the Qur'an, most important writing in Islam,.
Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17
"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57,
Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."
Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 64
Narrated Ali, "Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's messenger, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky, then ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you, (not a Hadith), then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's messenger saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people, who will say the best words, but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will leave the faith) and will go out from their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."
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explain something to me shoowilla, now i know "Al-Bukhari" is one of the if not THE most trusted source for the prophets quotes.
now this site says "Bukhari Volume etc", but before each number it has "Narrated by some other name".
does that still mean that these are bukharis words and just spread by these new narrators or is there a flaw in what the link says?
Hemp how about you move on? Nine out ten of your posts contain a phrase similar to this "when i was a muslim...." If you hate islam so much and "we all know its not the truth" then move on. Your knowledge about islam is very minimal and i proved that in previous posts, and on top of all that you were a sufi. Now for those reading this read, about the first two hadiths it is regarding those who apostate from Islam. There is nothing to hide here, one who called himself a muslim then apostates is to be killed under the sharia law(only if living in a land that is goverened by the sharia). This is something everybody knows before accepting islam, yet, peeple still convert in huge numbers.
The last hadith is regarding the Khawarij. These are the people/groups like Al-Qaeda, death squads in Iraq etc...This is the view of the scholars of today and the sahabbah (companions of the prophet (SAW)). The khawarij aka Islamic extremists have been around since the time of the prophet (SAW) and they were the ones who killed Uthman ibn Affan (r.a) and Ali bin Abi-Talib (r.a)
The last hadith is regarding the Khawarij. These are the people/groups like Al-Qaeda, death squads in Iraq etc...This is the view of the scholars of today and the sahabbah (companions of the prophet (SAW)). The khawarij aka Islamic extremists have been around since the time of the prophet (SAW) and they were the ones who killed Uthman ibn Affan (r.a) and Ali bin Abi-Talib (r.a)
I didnt see this earlier
There is a science of Hadith which is pretty complicated but ill try to simplify. Bukhari was a hadith collector, he travelled all over the middle east and gathered hadiths from people who had them memorized. But many hadiths at that time were fabricated (a way to make money, because some charged to teach hadith). But with every hadith a chain of narraration had to be given. So bukhari, along with Muslim would learn hadiths and weed out the fabricated, weak, sahih (these are the major categories). They would do this by lookin at the chain of narraration. So thats where the science of hadith comes, for instance if the chain listed person number 4 told to person number 5, and person number 5 was not a student of person number 4, or they were unheard of, the hadith would get a fabricated label. If for instance one person was missing in the chain it might be labeled weak. Now with Bukhari and Muslim they only published sahih (true) hadiths. Other sources of hadith are Abi Dawood, Nisai, Ibn Maja and Tirmithi, but they had a mix of weak and true hadiths in their publications of hadith.
There is a science of Hadith which is pretty complicated but ill try to simplify. Bukhari was a hadith collector, he travelled all over the middle east and gathered hadiths from people who had them memorized. But many hadiths at that time were fabricated (a way to make money, because some charged to teach hadith). But with every hadith a chain of narraration had to be given. So bukhari, along with Muslim would learn hadiths and weed out the fabricated, weak, sahih (these are the major categories). They would do this by lookin at the chain of narraration. So thats where the science of hadith comes, for instance if the chain listed person number 4 told to person number 5, and person number 5 was not a student of person number 4, or they were unheard of, the hadith would get a fabricated label. If for instance one person was missing in the chain it might be labeled weak. Now with Bukhari and Muslim they only published sahih (true) hadiths. Other sources of hadith are Abi Dawood, Nisai, Ibn Maja and Tirmithi, but they had a mix of weak and true hadiths in their publications of hadith.
i am not looking for you to answer all of the questions, i hope u dont cuz im sick of typing. But you should respond to my replies to your thread.
Oh and by the way, i havent gone to bed in a while so i mean, it all made sense to me as i typed it, the rest up to your to reply to the important points made, and not the my tangent that my sleepy self didnt pay attention too so just answer the important ones.
my posts are about islam because just like there are several Ex-christians in here feeling like its up to them to disprove christianity, i am the only ex muslim who shall stand against what i am positive is morally incorrect.
listen man, i want you to figure out that, if i have put time and effort into argueing against christianity only for claiming of an eternal punishment which i can never grasp as morally correct, then how much MORE do you think i have to say against islam, where morals only matter between muslims and the rest can fuck off and die? not only that but muslims , or at least I, was taught such things as to watch out from calling a nonmuslim "Friend" and such. Also, what about how hard the islamic belief has been shaped to make you a muslim and keep you one?
a muslim who converts to another religion loses all his good deeds but his bad deeds remain, while the nonmuslim that converts to islam gets all of his bad deeds erased.
what about homosexuality? i am not gay at all but from all the people i have met or the things i have read , claim that homosexuality has to do with a hormonal issue rather than it being a brain disease? Why are there way many more gay arabs and peverted arabs who try to cam with you while stating they are female all over Paltalk?
Why Do Men Have Nipples?(google it for report) "Although females have the mammary glands, we all start out in a similar way in the embryo. During development, the embryo follows a female template until about six weeks, when the male sex chromosome kicks in for a male embryo. The embryo then begins to develop all of its male characteristics. Men are thus left with nipples and also with some breast tissue."
so wouldnt that make homosexuality just a product of nature and not of a mental sickness or a personal choice?
i even had a friend of mine from all the way since middle school who just came out this summer to me and attempted to explain it by saying that he has NO CONTROL over his affection for men and not women. He said "its like i was born with a mind of a female", which is the same exact explaination many gays attempt to give, attempt only because they dont really know whats going on but that they are attracted to the wrong sex..
look into it you shall see homosexuality isnt a choice that deserves punishment like religions teach.. but back to your thread.
I aint no sufi and never was one. Theres a difference in the sunni sect that i followed when compared with the majority of sunnis as the ones you follow.
since to my dad i am still a muslim a white friend of mine asked me to ask him if i can become a sufi thinkin that because it was "islam" it was all the same thing, but i knew it wasnt.
I still went to my dad n asked him "whats up with sufis" he started crackin up all like "nooo , the sufis you see around today arent even muslims, he he he". So there you go. And i have already given you the link to the organization whos teachings i followed. You will see it says it is Sunni , and thats where you can see the conflicting Sects.
so tell me man, do you honestly see nothing wrong with ending a mans life , simply because he wasnt convinced well enough with what islam teaches, but believes to have found REAL God and REAL Religion, by converting to another religion, while his intent was simply to worship what he believed to be was a real God?
why should one even end the apostates life when he will suffer for his own actions on judgement day? why not just let the apostate live in hope that he rediscovers islam and converts? Like christians sit and pray for somebody to find the light instead of enforce it with harm/hate/division/death/ all the same.
Lets assume that as i converted out of islam, i had also traveled to a christian dominated country where islam is never thought of or spoken about or reminded of in anyway shape or form.
and then a year later i die.
So according to islam im going to suffer in hell for eternity when it is REALLY OBVIOUS that i had done nothing wrong but trust my parents misconception of what Real islam was.
and not just that but my sect actually warned about the other sects including other sunni sects, and claiming that they are NOT true islam.
how do you expect a man with a situation as that to succeed in the many many obstacles placed in his way which conflict with things such as , him needing to find the only One Religion from the thousands, then when he finnally somehow finds the correct belief, he will then need to find the correct Sect, and just like you claim to be sunni as i have claimed to be one too only proves how difficult the whole process is for people.
i know you dont understand what is so important about any of the things i mentioned up there and thats because your own mind has closed its own self up by believing and "carving" into your subconscious mind that reality is the one way you follow which automatically denies anything else being True.
So basically my friend, all you have really done is create a false hope for yourself and threw away the ability to ever understand anything other than what you believe, meaning if christianity was the Truth, you will remain an ignorant muslim, with no chance for survival.
yup thats true there are many extremists who arent completely to blame for being wrong, but for being ignorant enough to do the same thing you and most followers of A One Way have done, which is shut out what little chance u had of being able to ever understand or grasp the concept of something Other than what you believe, and what does that do in return to you?
do you see how the biggest threat to their success is there own IGNORANCE and not the acts they commit, since their acts are governed by their ignorance, and on top of that, the extremist actually believes every single part of what he was taught is true, and in reality he enforces blowing shit up only because he wants to succeed in Gods eyes.
again, all humans want heaven not hell, God not satan, happinesss not sadness, to succeed not to fail, and all WILL put in all of the effort they can to succeed IF ONLY the truth was made obvious as the All-Powerful God somehow couldnt clear things up a little for humanity. Shit, The all powerful couldnt just simply will for satan to just roll over and die when he revolted against him but instead sent him to earth to keep US busy and make the ever conflicting and confusing life even more difficult, just what we need.
and dont forget the effect of Satans existance has on men, notice how many times stockton has somehow given Satan lots of power and for anything that seems to make sense but isnt of christianity he claims "That is what Satan WANTS you to believe", or "this is how satan WANTS you to think!"
So obviously we can see how satan affects ones reality if believe in his existance and intent.
so , we know that Stockton is a christian, and that he fears satan lots.
What does that say about his chance to EVER find islam, "the true religion"?.
Ill let ya know what is likely to occur, "hmm islam seems to make sense for some reason, probably satan trying to get me to follow the wrong path, i better stay christian and prove satan wrong."
so if islam was some how the correct religion then a person such as Stockton will be doomed for sure because he has "Felt it in his heart" that christianity is real, and believes it to be the truth, so he will try his hardest to remain a christian and deny Satan his goal.
Now do you see how there are too many confllicts that mostly oringinate from ones own mind? I have given like 3-4 types of people or situations and how they are affected. So dont forgot about the billions of other people and just how difficult their situation might really be, and if the chance of success for the one with a horrible situation is less than 50%, will leave you with at LEAST 10 people with totally fucked up no way out situations, and no real God will do somethin like that.
Oh and by the way, i havent gone to bed in a while so i mean, it all made sense to me as i typed it, the rest up to your to reply to the important points made, and not the my tangent that my sleepy self didnt pay attention too so just answer the important ones.
my posts are about islam because just like there are several Ex-christians in here feeling like its up to them to disprove christianity, i am the only ex muslim who shall stand against what i am positive is morally incorrect.
listen man, i want you to figure out that, if i have put time and effort into argueing against christianity only for claiming of an eternal punishment which i can never grasp as morally correct, then how much MORE do you think i have to say against islam, where morals only matter between muslims and the rest can fuck off and die? not only that but muslims , or at least I, was taught such things as to watch out from calling a nonmuslim "Friend" and such. Also, what about how hard the islamic belief has been shaped to make you a muslim and keep you one?
a muslim who converts to another religion loses all his good deeds but his bad deeds remain, while the nonmuslim that converts to islam gets all of his bad deeds erased.
what about homosexuality? i am not gay at all but from all the people i have met or the things i have read , claim that homosexuality has to do with a hormonal issue rather than it being a brain disease? Why are there way many more gay arabs and peverted arabs who try to cam with you while stating they are female all over Paltalk?
Why Do Men Have Nipples?(google it for report) "Although females have the mammary glands, we all start out in a similar way in the embryo. During development, the embryo follows a female template until about six weeks, when the male sex chromosome kicks in for a male embryo. The embryo then begins to develop all of its male characteristics. Men are thus left with nipples and also with some breast tissue."
so wouldnt that make homosexuality just a product of nature and not of a mental sickness or a personal choice?
i even had a friend of mine from all the way since middle school who just came out this summer to me and attempted to explain it by saying that he has NO CONTROL over his affection for men and not women. He said "its like i was born with a mind of a female", which is the same exact explaination many gays attempt to give, attempt only because they dont really know whats going on but that they are attracted to the wrong sex..
look into it you shall see homosexuality isnt a choice that deserves punishment like religions teach.. but back to your thread.
I aint no sufi and never was one. Theres a difference in the sunni sect that i followed when compared with the majority of sunnis as the ones you follow.
since to my dad i am still a muslim a white friend of mine asked me to ask him if i can become a sufi thinkin that because it was "islam" it was all the same thing, but i knew it wasnt.
I still went to my dad n asked him "whats up with sufis" he started crackin up all like "nooo , the sufis you see around today arent even muslims, he he he". So there you go. And i have already given you the link to the organization whos teachings i followed. You will see it says it is Sunni , and thats where you can see the conflicting Sects.
so tell me man, do you honestly see nothing wrong with ending a mans life , simply because he wasnt convinced well enough with what islam teaches, but believes to have found REAL God and REAL Religion, by converting to another religion, while his intent was simply to worship what he believed to be was a real God?
why should one even end the apostates life when he will suffer for his own actions on judgement day? why not just let the apostate live in hope that he rediscovers islam and converts? Like christians sit and pray for somebody to find the light instead of enforce it with harm/hate/division/death/ all the same.
Lets assume that as i converted out of islam, i had also traveled to a christian dominated country where islam is never thought of or spoken about or reminded of in anyway shape or form.
and then a year later i die.
So according to islam im going to suffer in hell for eternity when it is REALLY OBVIOUS that i had done nothing wrong but trust my parents misconception of what Real islam was.
and not just that but my sect actually warned about the other sects including other sunni sects, and claiming that they are NOT true islam.
how do you expect a man with a situation as that to succeed in the many many obstacles placed in his way which conflict with things such as , him needing to find the only One Religion from the thousands, then when he finnally somehow finds the correct belief, he will then need to find the correct Sect, and just like you claim to be sunni as i have claimed to be one too only proves how difficult the whole process is for people.
i know you dont understand what is so important about any of the things i mentioned up there and thats because your own mind has closed its own self up by believing and "carving" into your subconscious mind that reality is the one way you follow which automatically denies anything else being True.
So basically my friend, all you have really done is create a false hope for yourself and threw away the ability to ever understand anything other than what you believe, meaning if christianity was the Truth, you will remain an ignorant muslim, with no chance for survival.
yup thats true there are many extremists who arent completely to blame for being wrong, but for being ignorant enough to do the same thing you and most followers of A One Way have done, which is shut out what little chance u had of being able to ever understand or grasp the concept of something Other than what you believe, and what does that do in return to you?
do you see how the biggest threat to their success is there own IGNORANCE and not the acts they commit, since their acts are governed by their ignorance, and on top of that, the extremist actually believes every single part of what he was taught is true, and in reality he enforces blowing shit up only because he wants to succeed in Gods eyes.
again, all humans want heaven not hell, God not satan, happinesss not sadness, to succeed not to fail, and all WILL put in all of the effort they can to succeed IF ONLY the truth was made obvious as the All-Powerful God somehow couldnt clear things up a little for humanity. Shit, The all powerful couldnt just simply will for satan to just roll over and die when he revolted against him but instead sent him to earth to keep US busy and make the ever conflicting and confusing life even more difficult, just what we need.
and dont forget the effect of Satans existance has on men, notice how many times stockton has somehow given Satan lots of power and for anything that seems to make sense but isnt of christianity he claims "That is what Satan WANTS you to believe", or "this is how satan WANTS you to think!"
So obviously we can see how satan affects ones reality if believe in his existance and intent.
so , we know that Stockton is a christian, and that he fears satan lots.
What does that say about his chance to EVER find islam, "the true religion"?.
Ill let ya know what is likely to occur, "hmm islam seems to make sense for some reason, probably satan trying to get me to follow the wrong path, i better stay christian and prove satan wrong."
so if islam was some how the correct religion then a person such as Stockton will be doomed for sure because he has "Felt it in his heart" that christianity is real, and believes it to be the truth, so he will try his hardest to remain a christian and deny Satan his goal.
Now do you see how there are too many confllicts that mostly oringinate from ones own mind? I have given like 3-4 types of people or situations and how they are affected. So dont forgot about the billions of other people and just how difficult their situation might really be, and if the chance of success for the one with a horrible situation is less than 50%, will leave you with at LEAST 10 people with totally fucked up no way out situations, and no real God will do somethin like that.
Y-S said:
lmaooo i understand.
i mean i just sat here and kept commin up with things to bring up and kept fixing grammar n shit, and in the end i had tried to shorten it a little but without the part before the next point i bring up will seem out of no where.
anyway tho you aint the one replyin so umm
shoowilla, yeah i guess this page is huge and having to reply to your reply will suck, i would still like you to answer me at least 4 of the questions if you could.
lolol dont get mad bro i wasnt implying or saying anything. I was just trying to show him how dificult the situation is to people, and gave you as an example and twisted it around because its not the persons that matter or that i am trying to point out, but the SITUATION
so i was just provin how some ppl out there will not ever convert to Islam because they can easily claim something that you have said, which is "Satan WANTS to you believe that"
so i was just showing him how there are so many things that block our paths, including our own minds
damn i forgot but even I was questioning if Satan was changing my belief to trick me to enter hell back when i was muslim, but ive grown out of that mindset and i know the only real satan is the negative aspects of Mans self, including selfishness, greed, hate, etc.
All of those are supposed to stop man from knowing God or reaching God or somethin, when those aspects are also known to hold one back from becomming enlightened and "divine"
so i dunno, i got too many books ill need to start readin soon , hopefully shits more interesting than last time
All of those are supposed to stop man from knowing God or reaching God or somethin, when those aspects are also known to hold one back from becomming enlightened and "divine"
so i dunno, i got too many books ill need to start readin soon , hopefully shits more interesting than last time
but something else that is also real is called being paranoid of what u believe is true.
Now im positive if you were to get a tiny ass bit convinced and then think to yourself like "hmm satans a pussy" while you still beleived he was powerful and after you then i am positive that you will have something occur that might be scary, might be weird, but will never be holy, just because the same way Hutch will never see or be affected by satan, only because to his own mind, Satan doesnt exist, therefor its impossible for him to get a response. If a response does occur , than because he doesnt believe in Satan, the response is likely to be funny or just weird.
How I am paranoid of Satan? Because I know he's real?
Believe me bro, I have things happen to me, not physically, but I've seen things, and came face to face with demons, that you won't believe. Did I use a Street Fighter attack no, prayer and by God's Grace. I know he's weak, but don't underestimate his power, it's far weaker and not even compariable to God's power, but don't get me wrong here. He may be weaker than God by Lots, but he can influence you in so much ways, that you'll be in denial.
Believe me bro, I have things happen to me, not physically, but I've seen things, and came face to face with demons, that you won't believe. Did I use a Street Fighter attack no, prayer and by God's Grace. I know he's weak, but don't underestimate his power, it's far weaker and not even compariable to God's power, but don't get me wrong here. He may be weaker than God by Lots, but he can influence you in so much ways, that you'll be in denial.
i never stated you were paranoid of anything, I did say that being paranoid of satan will in its own way have you believing theres another force around you and such n such.
yes yet i have never seen satan, while my grandma who is scared shitless of what islam said about devils n shit and she always thinkin she seeing somethin or hearing somebody. She brought these onto her own self by being so paranoid. but i find it funny how your prayer, and the muslims prayer, both defeated satans will. i wonder what that says.
i hope you arent thinkin "that means satan killed himself when the muslim did it, just to fool us" lol im jk man
yes yet i have never seen satan, while my grandma who is scared shitless of what islam said about devils n shit and she always thinkin she seeing somethin or hearing somebody. She brought these onto her own self by being so paranoid. but i find it funny how your prayer, and the muslims prayer, both defeated satans will. i wonder what that says.
i hope you arent thinkin "that means satan killed himself when the muslim did it, just to fool us" lol im jk man