Catholic Nun, Killed by Islamic Etremists

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Its a shame in regards to what is going on right now (burning of churches, and the killing of the nun). Heres what the prophet (SAW) had to say in regards to the people of the book (this was for the christians). He sent a charter of freedom to the St. Catherine Monastery in Mt. Sinai in 628

This is a message from Muhammad bin Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.

Verily, the servants, the helpers, my followers, and I defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.

No compulsion is to be on them.

Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.

No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses.

Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.

No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight.

The Muslims are to fight for them.

If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.

Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.

No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).
 
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shoowilla said:
Its a shame in regards to what is going on right now (burning of churches, and the killing of the nun). Heres what the prophet (SAW) had to say in regards to the people of the book (this was for the christians). He sent a charter of freedom to the St. Catherine Monastery in Mt. Sinai in 628
That's a nice read, it's sad the THE EXTREMISTS DON'T FOLLOW IT.
 

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This is normal, Arab Christians like myself are used to Muslims acting like this. Same shit different day, decade, century etc....
arab christians n arab muslims always have been goin at it.
i visited lebanon for the first time since i came here during june before the war, and i remember there being somethin up wiht the christian west part of beruit and the muslim east.

the west certainly did have newer malls n shit and i went there just to look around and people all over were givin me looks.
not that i look muslim or anything but i was with a guy who had a small beard so they automatically knew.


i blame both sides for being ignorant and not looking past the bullshit onto the bigger picture.
its similar to say if a war is declared between both groups across the world, they will probably blow lebanon the fuck up instead of think "hmm we are both arab lebanese, lets wait it out for the bigger fish to fry, just incase we are actually gettin played into destroying our own country."
at least thats what id do.
 
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if a war is declared between both groups across the world, they will probably blow lebanon
There would be no more world, the World is Dominated by Muslims and Christians, and if they all declared war on each BYE BYE. The Whole Western world is considered by the east the "Christian side" which I don't agree on, and the Eastern World is the "Hethen side" which alot of westerner will ignorantly say.
 

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thats true but i was drawing the picture of the lebanese residers blowin up their own country and destroying their way of life.

i mean when you think about a war between christians and muslims you think the end, so the scenerio isnt that perfect, but they will still hurt their own selves in the process instead of wait it out.


i duno
 
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Now I can't stand the pope, but am I the only one who finds it a tad humoresly ironic that the pope referred to some text referring to the extremists muslims as barbaric and prone to violence, then they go and kill a nun and he apologizes....
 
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Showiila, love for the post but weren't those Mohammed's earlier words? Before there began to be more hostilities and war between Muslims and Christians/Jews? Didn't his outlook change later on in his life?
 
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Showiila, love for the post but weren't those Mohammed's earlier words? Before there began to be more hostilities and war between Muslims and Christians/Jews? Didn't his outlook change later on in his life?
I don't want to offend any one, but how could Islam knock the Teaching of Christianity and say it's teachings are Corrupted, and then Islam Changes it's view on things about Christianity?
 
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Somalia Islamists vow to punish Italian nun's killers

By Sahal Abdulle

MOGADISHU, Sept 18 (Reuters) - Powerful Islamists in Mogadishu vowed on Monday to bring the killers of an Italian nun to justice and said they were confident the shooting would not undermine the unprecedented peace in the capital.

Gunmen shot dead sister Leonella Sgorbati and her bodyguard on Sunday outside a children's hospital in north Mogadishu where she had worked since 2002.

The killings were a blow to Mogadishu's new Islamist rulers' attempts to prove they have pacified one of the world's most lawless cities since chasing out U.S.-backed warlords in June.

The Islamists arrested two men in the attack.

"We will work hard to avoid such incidents from happening again. This will not affect the security of Mogadishu," the Islamists head of foreign relations told Reuters.

The attack drew immediate speculation of links to Muslim anger over Pope Benedict's recent remarks on Islam, but Addou said such incidents happen everywhere in the world.

"We want to reduce the probability of such acts happening again, by making the security tighter and bringing these criminals to justice as soon as the investigation is over," he said.

Sgorbati, born in 1940 in Piacenza in northern Italy, was from the Missionaries of the Consolation order based in Nepi near Rome. Her colleagues and students said they were shocked by the killings.

"Myself and the whole of Somalia is saddened," a sobbing Ibado Muse, who worked with the slain nun, said. "No one will be able to fill the gap she left."

Sgorbati's body was flown to Kenya's capital Nairobi late on Sunday accompanied by her colleagues who had agreed to leave Somalia. An official at the Italian embassy in Nairobi said she had expressed a desire to be buried in Kenya.

The U.N. special representative to Somalia, Francois Fall, condemned the killing and urged the Islamists to ensure such acts are not repeated.

"The taking of innocent civilians lives is unacceptable," he said in a statement.

Sunday's killings were followed on Monday by an assassination attempt on President Abdullahi Yusuf in the provincial capital Baidao, which is outside the control of the Islamists. One person was killed in that blast.

Borne out of local courts practicing strict sharia law, the Islamist movement in June seized Mogadishu from U.S.-backed warlords who had run it for the past 15 years.

The Islamists have brought some order to the capital, which was awash with guns and where assassinations were common.

But critics say the Islamists harbour al Qaeda-linked militants in their ranks. The Islamists deny that, saying the West does not understand them and believes U.S. propaganda.

Top Islamist leader Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys has been accused by Washington of links to terrorism.

But in a televised talk show on Sunday night he said he shared a hotel with U.S. anti-terror officials during a recent trip to Djibouti and was not questioned by them.

"I was staying in the same hotel with them. They did not ask me any thing," Aweys said.

"They were at airport that I landed at and flew from, they didn't look like people who are looking for me," he added.


SOMALIA: Three arrested over nun's killing

NAIROBI, 18 September (IRIN) - The Union of Islamic Courts (UIC), which controls the Somali capital, Mogadishu, has arrested three men in connection with the killing on Sunday of an Italian nun working at a hospital in the south of the city, a security official said.

"We have three men in custody; one is a suspect in the killing and two are being held as witnesses," Sheikh Yusuf Mohamed Siad, the UIC security chief, said on Monday from Mogadishu.

He said security forces were hunting for a "second gunman who is suspected of involvement in the killing".

Unidentified gunmen shot Sister Leonella Sgorbati as she left the Austrian-funded SOS Hospital for her home across the street. They also shot her bodyguard, who died instantly, while "the sister died shortly in surgery from her wounds", a doctor, who declined to be named, said.

Sister Sgorbati was in charge of the school for orphans run by the SOS in the hospital compound.

"She was a kind, compassionate woman, someone who was very close to her students," Asha Abdi Dini, who knew the nun, said. "She loved the Somali people and dedicated her life to them. She will be missed by all of us who knew her and worked with her."

Sister Sgorbati had been in Somalia for the past five years and spoke fluent Somali, Dini said.

The UIC has condemned the killings and sent condolences to the families of Sister Sgorbati and her bodyguard.

"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this criminal act," Shaykh Abdulkadir Ali, UIC vice-chairman, said. "We view it as a direct attack on the Somali people. She was here to help the Somali people."

The United Nations Secretary-General's Special Representative for Somalia, François Fall, also condemned the assassination. "The taking of innocent civilian lives is unacceptable," he said. "Sister Leonella Sgorbati had worked in east Africa for about 38 years. She contributed much to the needs of the population, especially children in the Somali capital."

Witnesses said Sister Sgorbati was shot four times in the back as she walked from the hospital to her home.

Sheikh Siad said the motive for killing remained unclear but believed it was intended to "make the courts look bad".

He added, "We have our suspicions but until we complete our investigation we cannot say for sure what the motive was."

The UIC has been in control of much of southern Somalia, including the capital, since 4 June when it drove out a group of faction leaders who had controlled Mogadishu since 1991 when the administration of Muhammad Siyad Barre was toppled.

The UIC has vowed to restore order in Somalia and has started creating Islamic courts in the areas it controls.
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
Showiila, love for the post but weren't those Mohammed's earlier words? Before there began to be more hostilities and war between Muslims and Christians/Jews? Didn't his outlook change later on in his life?
No his (SAW) outlook never changed in regards with christians or jews they are the people of the book. This letter was written 8 years before his (SAW) death. The conflicts between the christians came later on after his (SAW) death. There was a conflict in his (SAW) time with the jews of Medina after they broke a treaty with the Ansar and the Muslims. It was not because they were jewish, but because they broke a treaty and were working with Quraysh against the muslims.