CAPITAL PUNISHMENT
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The death penalty is racist
It violates the 8th & 15th Ammendment
It is a cold blooded calculated premeditated murder by the state. It only serves as VENGENCE not justice.
Innocent people are killed every year by the gov't. How many 'guilty' perpatraitors does it take to kill to make it okay to justify the killing of one innocent person every year.
What kind of gov't kills its own citizens, what example does this set for the people?
Doesn't the condemned have family, friends, and loved ones? Don't they become victims of the state?
From a cost analysis, Capital Punishment is more expensive than keeping a prisoner in Jail for life (capital punishment cases, with the appeals process cost 2-3-4 million and above, way more than the cost of a lifer)
The death penalty is racist
It violates the 8th & 15th Ammendment
It is a cold blooded calculated premeditated murder by the state. It only serves as VENGENCE not justice.
Innocent people are killed every year by the gov't. How many 'guilty' perpatraitors does it take to kill to make it okay to justify the killing of one innocent person every year.
What kind of gov't kills its own citizens, what example does this set for the people?
Doesn't the condemned have family, friends, and loved ones? Don't they become victims of the state?
From a cost analysis, Capital Punishment is more expensive than keeping a prisoner in Jail for life (capital punishment cases, with the appeals process cost 2-3-4 million and above, way more than the cost of a lifer)
It can and it has changed, in fact it’s in a constant state of change. If you know your history, which I can only assume you don’t, the Death Penalty has not always existed. There have been time periods where capital punishment was suspended. Not only that, the death penalty differs from state to state. Currently, I believe, there are a total of 38 states that allow executions (although that number might be way off).
If you are for environmental protection, then it is only logical that you would oppose the building of any and all new buildings or developments on previously undeveloped land.
If you are for government taxation of income, it is only logical to support the government taking 100 percent of your paycheck.
If you oppose the War in Iraq, it is only logical that you would have been a pacifist in WW2.
And so on, and so on.
If you are for government taxation of income, it is only logical to support the government taking 100 percent of your paycheck.
If you oppose the War in Iraq, it is only logical that you would have been a pacifist in WW2.
And so on, and so on.
Innocent people are killed every year by Lightning, Electrical Failures, Cars, Dogs, Deer, and Diverticulitis. No robotic, mechanical system that could prove innocence or guilt with a 100% accuracy rate is possible without video cameras in every inch of every city, household, and building in America.
And even then, claims that the 'footage has been doctored!' by liberals and criminal activists would resonate with no small amount of force.
No system of something any more abstract than simple mathematics can be perfect. Are innocent people killed? Of course. However, the alternative is granting life with "humane" benefits such as chess, checkers, and HBO to people who have raped, killed, and slaughtered people, families, etc.
Is the state the causation of death by the death penalty? Of course. However, the state does not force one to kill, the state only forces the death of those who do, or those who the system believes commited the crime. Is the system perfect? No...of course not.
However there is something deeper associated with opposition to the death penalty in America. Most who oppose it often believe that social conditions caused by the state itself forced the hand of the killers, and thus they are victims, not murderers.
I grew up with several gang members. Most of them I knew had killed, some with fully automatic assault weapons,(likely hitting multiple bystanders) and some with brutality such that nothing but the death penalty would have been warranted if they had ever been caught.
Tookie proclaims his innocence, however being the leader of the gang, and one who most likely led by example, we can extrapolate from his legacy; even if the murders he has been accused of are thrown out is that he has likely killed others.
And even then, claims that the 'footage has been doctored!' by liberals and criminal activists would resonate with no small amount of force.
No system of something any more abstract than simple mathematics can be perfect. Are innocent people killed? Of course. However, the alternative is granting life with "humane" benefits such as chess, checkers, and HBO to people who have raped, killed, and slaughtered people, families, etc.
Is the state the causation of death by the death penalty? Of course. However, the state does not force one to kill, the state only forces the death of those who do, or those who the system believes commited the crime. Is the system perfect? No...of course not.
However there is something deeper associated with opposition to the death penalty in America. Most who oppose it often believe that social conditions caused by the state itself forced the hand of the killers, and thus they are victims, not murderers.
I grew up with several gang members. Most of them I knew had killed, some with fully automatic assault weapons,(likely hitting multiple bystanders) and some with brutality such that nothing but the death penalty would have been warranted if they had ever been caught.
Tookie proclaims his innocence, however being the leader of the gang, and one who most likely led by example, we can extrapolate from his legacy; even if the murders he has been accused of are thrown out is that he has likely killed others.
Good point and likely one that kills my logic in that one particular statement, but it doesn't kill the arguement all together.
One thing that comes to mind is that murder seems to be the only crime I can think of where “an eye for an eye” justice applies. If someone steals, the state doesn’t steal from them, if a person physically assaults another, the state doesn’t physically assault them, if a person rapes the state doesn’t hire state sponsored rapists to rape them. All of these cases they go to jail. It’s very consistent. Yet with murder, it’s very erratic and inconsistent. Why do some murderers serve only an average of seven years, others get life, and some get murdered themselves? What is the difference between one murder and the next, and why is the punishment not consistent? How can one serial killer get life while a poor black man gets executed for killing a man for money? How can a man who kills 8 get life and a retarded man who killed when he was a teenager get executed?
There is nothing “humane” about spending 23 hours a day in a 6X9 cell. All the chess and HBO cannot change that.
One thing you haven’t talked about is not whether the person is guilty or not, but whether a person can or cannot be rehabilitated. I'm interested in knowing what you think it would take for a person to become rehabilitated, if you even think it’s possible, or perhaps for only certain crimes.
One thing that comes to mind is that murder seems to be the only crime I can think of where “an eye for an eye” justice applies. If someone steals, the state doesn’t steal from them, if a person physically assaults another, the state doesn’t physically assault them, if a person rapes the state doesn’t hire state sponsored rapists to rape them. All of these cases they go to jail. It’s very consistent. Yet with murder, it’s very erratic and inconsistent. Why do some murderers serve only an average of seven years, others get life, and some get murdered themselves? What is the difference between one murder and the next, and why is the punishment not consistent? How can one serial killer get life while a poor black man gets executed for killing a man for money? How can a man who kills 8 get life and a retarded man who killed when he was a teenager get executed?
There is nothing “humane” about spending 23 hours a day in a 6X9 cell. All the chess and HBO cannot change that.
One thing you haven’t talked about is not whether the person is guilty or not, but whether a person can or cannot be rehabilitated. I'm interested in knowing what you think it would take for a person to become rehabilitated, if you even think it’s possible, or perhaps for only certain crimes.
In the case of murder, rehabilitation is meaningless in my opinion, since no possible act on the face of the earth can heal the wounds caused and the damage done.
Sex crimes can be not erased but overcome, money can be earned again one day, and reckless or negligent behavior can be unlearned. But the finality of murder puts it in another category.
And while there is nothing humane about being placed in a 6X9 cell, it is much more humane than beating, fucking, or strangling someone to death, or crushing the hopes, dreams, and lives of the innocent.
I believe in rehabilitation, but there are some things that can only be atoned for in blood.
I believe the often injudicious adminstration of the death penalty is wrong, but that is the product of something more deeply rooted and endemic in our society - the mass ignorance and idiocy of the american populace. A well educated people will mete out death much more efficiently and rationally.
Also, if your mother or father or sister was killed in a vicious and horrible manner, you would become a quick believer in the death penalty. I've seen street justice like this occur; pacifists who don't wish to cause harm to others can switch up quick when the reality of their loss and the brutality of the act is visited upon them or their families.
Sex crimes can be not erased but overcome, money can be earned again one day, and reckless or negligent behavior can be unlearned. But the finality of murder puts it in another category.
And while there is nothing humane about being placed in a 6X9 cell, it is much more humane than beating, fucking, or strangling someone to death, or crushing the hopes, dreams, and lives of the innocent.
I believe in rehabilitation, but there are some things that can only be atoned for in blood.
I believe the often injudicious adminstration of the death penalty is wrong, but that is the product of something more deeply rooted and endemic in our society - the mass ignorance and idiocy of the american populace. A well educated people will mete out death much more efficiently and rationally.
Also, if your mother or father or sister was killed in a vicious and horrible manner, you would become a quick believer in the death penalty. I've seen street justice like this occur; pacifists who don't wish to cause harm to others can switch up quick when the reality of their loss and the brutality of the act is visited upon them or their families.
heres 3 reasons why the state did the right thing to tookie
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Yea bro, puttin up pics of dead folks that may or may not be the victims of his is cold. As far as the death penalty is concerned, 41% of Death Row inmates are black, so you're numbers about 8 whites executed in Cali as opposed to 2 blacks is misleading. Plus, there's cases where new DNA evidence proves an inmate's evidence right before he's set to die, and other times after he's already been murdered. It's also proven, that executing inmates does NOT deter other people from committing the same crime. We have to face it, state executions do not serve any other purpose other than revenge. I agree with Tucker Carson on this situation. If this country is going to kill its citizens, then at least be real about it. Stop sugarcoating it as some sort of "medical procedure" be real about it. Behead mothafuckas, hang em, line em up for the firing squad. If that's the kind of country you want to be in, then don't dress it up with euphemisms. I agree, certain mothafuckas just don't deserve to live. Who am I to judge? Oh well, that's my opinion and I know if somebody murdered or raped your child you'd feel the same way. I just don't agree with state executions in this country cuz the system is fucked up.
a question for those of you on the right. If you support the death penalty, do you also support abortion? Why or why not? If you're argument against abortion is that all life is precious, what's your argument for the death penalty? This question is especially for the "Christian" right.
a question for those of you on the right. If you support the death penalty, do you also support abortion? Why or why not? If you're argument against abortion is that all life is precious, what's your argument for the death penalty? This question is especially for the "Christian" right.