BRING THE BAY BACK

sav-man · Jul 23, 2003

Keep the length (playing time) of your CDs between 40 and 60 (at the most) minutes. There's too many CDs that run over 70 minutes, with not every song hitting--you have your exceptions (Yukmouth's UGA was basically dope from start to finish), but too often, you get a twenty-track, seventy-seven minute CD, with maybe eight classics and three pretty good songs, but the other nine tracks are either filler (unnecessary or unfunny skits), or mediocre-to-wack songs.

In a situation like that, I'll take eleven tracks over twenty any day.

PEACE!

BIGCHILL · Jul 23, 2003

COME ORIGINAL....NEED SOMETHING NEW.EVERY C.D THAT DROPS 99.9% OF THE TIME THEY BRAGGIN BOUT SHOOTIN,BITCHES, SMOKEN ,AND DRINKIN.IF THATS HOW YOU REALLY LIVE COO,BUT IF THATS ALL YOU GOT TO RAP ABOUT HOW THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT TO BRING THE BAY OR THE WEST BACK WITH THE SAME SHIT THAT WE CAME WIT 10 YEARS AGO?YOULL SELL A FEW COPYS CAUSE ITS STILL NIGGAZ THAT LOVE TO HEAR KILL KILL KILL ALL DAY.BUT AS FAR AS T.V SHOWIN LOVE,DROPPIN C.DS LIKE I BEEN HEARIN LATELY,WE MIGHT AS WELL BRING BACK THE WOP AND THE RUNNIN MAN AND SWEAR UP DOWN ITS THE NEW WEST COAST DANCE.

Mr. Chronic · Jul 23, 2003

Doxx said:

While there are a lotta cats on these sites tryin' to rap, it's a small percentage of the problem. The majority of the boo boo shit is released by people who don't post online. And it's not all just up and coming type guys either. Some people who've been around and dropped quality shit in the past are now droppin' garbage. They are just as much to blame as the newcomers, regardless of their veteran status.

Hmmmm....indeed....you do have a point.

G-ro · Jul 24, 2003

YOUNGMOE said:

as a overseas fan of bay music, I'm give you my thoughts (not about the business part cause I'm way too far to know sumthin about it): why I started listen to bay music was because it was so musical. I didn't care about hip hop and shit because beats were boring but Bay Music was the shit to me: it was MUSIC, you know I mean every track was like a real orchestration (I mean like some G Man Stan, K-lou or Johnny Z's prodz), progressively built, with a musical evolution from the beginning to the end, not a linear beat and that's it. Bay music could be harcore, soft or anything else but it was always melodic.
Nowadayz, for the most part of what's out, you just got a linear beat (boring or not) and that's it: something similar as the east coast sound to me. I'm just wonderin where's the music part is gone?

like D-Mak said in his post: "QUALITY BEFORE QUANTITY"

yung-g · Jul 24, 2003

Doxx said:

exactly what i was thinkin, we need to give our new talent a time to shine, because the quality of our music can be much greater.

and if we could get these catz outta the game that are just in it just because they could release a CD, because them foolz helped flood the Bay Area music scene with garbage.

kontac · Jul 25, 2003

im feeling yall

UKantCMe · Jul 25, 2003

the bay is oversaturated wit wack shit period. just like the dot-com boom in skrilicon valley... if you want to know how this is gonna turn out, then pay attention to what happened wit the hi-tech industry. the same will happen wit tha music industry. the quality shit will survive and the wack shit will eventually fade out. but not no time soon.

to ask the oversaturators to stop, is like askin for black on black violence to stop. its not gonna happen no time soon.. if ever, but that's what it will take.

if you want to know from a consumers point of view... its a risk to buy a cd from the cat standin in front of rasputins. especially when he is lyin about the cats that are featured on the shit.

we need a filter... maybe someone should form a committe that will review anything and everything but only certify shit that is quality. the committe can charge for this service (to pay for operation), but keep it reasonable so there is no excuse for real artists wit talent not to be able to get certified. if you see a cd wit out the stamp it should be consider garbage.

Sick Wid It · Jul 25, 2003

kontac said:

That mentality is a huge part of the problem. If you think the bay will ever shine or 'be on the map' again by duplicating the music from the early 90's then I hope you have a time machine that can travel to the past because the rest of the world is in 2003 and has moved on. The bay won't go anywhere until people start understanding that and ACCEPTING the fact. You can keep fighting it all you want but the game is over, the crowd went home and the stadium lights are shut off. 2003 won.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until it happens... The westcoast needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. We need new faces, new talent and new ideas. We NEED a new sound. Cats NEED to have a vision that looks 10 years into the future, not 10 years into the past.

Pimperoni · Jul 25, 2003

^^^ As a fan I just wanna say this..... give me ways the rap game has changed in the last.... ohh say 10 years

Most records are about partying.... fucking hoes.... or doing street shit..... how are you gonna flip that ? I'm bein' serious here.... I just don't really get how you can "Change the game" and still use the same topics

D-Mak · Jul 25, 2003

^^^^
I know these are not bay albums, but for example Devin's "Just Tryin to Live" & Tech N9NE's "Absolute Power" are great examples of creativity, originality, & something different then the ordinary CD. BUT even though they were a great overall product, they didnt get the attention that they should have.

It sucks to say, but in order for the bay to hit it hard once again we have to hit the attention of the main consumers & right now thats the people buyin the Nellys, P. Diddy's, etc.

UKantCMe · Jul 25, 2003

attention yeah, but that don't mean make music like them... that would be fake... they are only popular cuz they get play and rotation... if it was mac dre (instead of 50) wit a P.I.M.P. video and song in HEAVY ROTATION everybody would be lovin that shit. right?

ya'll don't get it... fans are getting brainwashed into liking a certain flavor, thas all it is. the bay HAS new faces. the bay HAS new talent. but the bay don't get HEAVY ROTATION. if we did, would you still say we need to change our style??? everybody in the bay don't portray a gangster. they do in LA though, and they get more play than we do. they on tv wearin chuck taylors and pendletons. thats even older than the 90's.... bottom line is they get play, we don't. if we did noone would be sayin we need to change anything. niggaz have already changed their style, atleast the bay shit i listen to. mtv and bet and magazines and radio stations have brainwashed so many people, that now bay cats is sayin we need to change.... wtf is that...

Walkin · Jul 25, 2003

MaddDogg said:

*Standing Ovation*, thank you. I guess they forget how back in the day "game recognize game" and "players club" had the bay sound to em. those are just two. Im tired of these people comin in sayin "we have to change with the time" man back then, the bay changed the times, fuck being a follower. Oh yah and stop blamin people (fans, enthusiasts, whatever u wanna call em) for not buyin your shit, stop makin it seem like they are haters cuz they dont wanna adapt to the "changing of the times." take responsibility for your actions. and stop with the million features, the tight bay albums had features but how its been done the past 3 years. shit is getting lame. let me paraphrase dungeon family in a murder dog interview: features are done for money, not necessarily for good music.

D-Mak · Jul 25, 2003

oh yeah man no doubt, i cant even listen to the radio period. They play Em & 50 like five time within the hour.

Im not sure if its brainwash to like a "flavor", a lotta the beats are dope. Like you said if Mac Dre was rippin a Dr. Dre track cats would be lovin it. The Game is gonna blow because he gots Dre behind him. Before that he was on a CD that was split in half with Nas tracks (only to sell more) but even then that got no love.

The music scene is fucked of late.

Walkin · Jul 25, 2003

MC_PM$ said:

The very best year for the bay (in my opinion) was '96. But after pac died, and whack ass Diddy came out, everyone thought they could rap after seeing the kind of paper you can get out of it. It even gets worse when Eminem comes, and now we got all these whack wanna be slim shady whitey white motherfuckers commin out of tha suburbs and trailer parks and tryin to rap and battle and shit.

haha, thats real too

Walkin · Jul 25, 2003

ComputerNerd said:

i cant agree...your home town has to like it first. You cant make the whole world feel you when your doing it underground. Bay has to start from scratch and regain its home base, like how Master P and Jt did, and then off that success go out and get yourself a deal and market to the world.

Sick Wid It · Jul 25, 2003

P. Diddy is nothing but garbage (or rather his staff of producers and musicians) and the only reason bay area rap goes unnoticed today is because of media brainwashing.

I don't know if I should laugh at that or feel sorry for the cats who really believe thats whats up. Look man, I understand that politics are involved but time stands still for no man. People grow and people change. That's why fashion changes, that's why music changes and that's why you've got a ton of cats on here saying they want something new & fresh instead of the same old boring stale shit. You CAN'T keep ignoring that fact so instead of crying and whining about the shit like it's got you really emotionally hurt, come up with something new & fresh....just like the people are asking for. And make it undeniable.

So "wtf is that?" like dude asked. Real simple homie, THAT's whats up.

UKantCMe · Jul 25, 2003

you can laugh, but don't feel sorry for me folks... the bay shit i listen to is new compared to the bay shit i listened to in the 90's. i don't listen to tha same ol' gangsta shit that was hot for the bay in the 90's. i still like 90's rap, fa sho, but i like some of the new shit tooo. my point is that there is new faces, new talent and all that.

if tha bay was in the limelight, all you heard on the radio, all you seen on mtv, niggaz in the east would be tryin to figure out how to get back in the spotlight.... how to shift towards our style... how to

so thas why i feel it is brainwashing... everyone wants to shift to what is "hot". and to me it seems everyone thinks what is "hot" is what gets pushed most by the media. i think the fans/consumers should determine what is hot not the white folks that have monopolized the media.

kontac · Jul 25, 2003

ITS TO EASY FOR CATS TO MAKE ALBUMS KNOW DAYS,WIT PROTOOLS,AND EVERY THING LIKE I SAID BEFORE CATS GOTTA PUT THEY HEART IN IT......

Sick Wid It · Jul 25, 2003

UKantCMe said:

Whats hot today, isn't tomorrow though which is all the more reason to come up with fresh new ideas. Truely talented & creative people arn't afraid of that, they embrace it.

Who do you think the vast majority consumers are though? Whites. Rap music has turned into a billion dollar business because of white people if you really want to hear the truth. The media might be able to control simple-minded people but you should really give cats more credit for being able to think and decide for themselves what they like rather than Carson Daly and A.J. dictating it to them. Yes theres plenty of idiots out there but people arn't as dumb as you think.

Sick Wid It · Jul 25, 2003

kontac said:

Definately. Technology is a blessing and a curse. It allows us to come up with new stuff never heard before but it also makes it easy enough so that the average joe blow can slap something together with little effort. That's a huge part of why everybody and their mama thinks they can be a rapper or producer.

In the end, the only ones who make great albums are the ones who don't rely on technology to do it for them.

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