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naner12

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I know I'm gonna get hate on this, but I didn't think the Sturm fight was that bad of a scorecard. I'll get it out of the way and say I thought Macklin won, BUT in a lot of rounds Macklin was just throwing shots that were getting blocked and Sturm was ripping him with clean counters.

I think Sturm landed much cleaner and Macklin threw more. I even went into it expecting a robbery and I didn't see it that way.

For whatever it's worth I had it 115-113 for Macklin..
 
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I thought Sturm's clean shots were usually too far and inbetween, all the while Macklin was working his ass off attacking the head and body consistently. Even the shots Sturm was blocking were often only partially blocked and many, especially the right hand, was slipping past his gaurd and cracking him on the side of the head/ear. I honestly can't see how anyone could score more than 4 rounds for Sturm. Let alone 8 rounds, which is why it is a worse robbery than Devon Alexander imo. You're telling me it's not that bad of a robbery when two judges gave Sturm 8 rounds and 4 to Macklin?? lol no way man. That's embarrassing to the sport. At least in the alexander fight there were only 10 rounds and I think he won 4 rounds so it's not as absurd as a 12 rounder.

For whatever it's worth I had it 115-113 for Macklin..
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That's 7 rounds for Macklin and 5 for Sturm, right? Now try to figure out how in the world someone could give 8 rounds to Sturm.
 
naner12

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2-0-Sixx said:
I thought Sturm's clean shots were usually too far and inbetween, all the while Macklin was working his ass off attacking the head and body consistently. Even the shots Sturm was blocking were often only partially blocked and many, especially the right hand, was slipping past his gaurd and cracking him on the side of the head/ear. I honestly can't see how anyone could score more than 4 rounds for Sturm. Let alone 8 rounds, which is why it is a worse robbery than Devon Alexander imo. You're telling me there is some slight possibility he won 8 rounds? lol fuck that. Two judges gave Sturm 8 rounds and 4 to Macklin. That's embarrassing to the sport. At least in the alexander fight there were only 10 rounds and I think he won 4 rounds so it's not as absurd as a 12 rounder.
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Nah I don't think it was 8-4. Like I said I don't even think he won I just think he had more quality shots throughout and he popped Macklin's head back when he'd connect clean where Sturm gave the impression that he was barely getting touched.

This isn't even the worst decision that Sturm's won.
 
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naner12 said:
Nah I don't think it was 8-4. Like I said I don't even think he won I just think he had more quality shots throughout and he popped Macklin's head back when he'd connect clean where Sturm gave the impression that he was barely getting touched.

This isn't even the worst decision that Sturm's won.
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I saw Sturm visually hurt a couple times, the body shots were effecting him and he had his mouth open and taking big breathes between rounds, he was worn down (although that last 10 second flurry in the 12 round was his best flurry of the fight).

The other thing is yes Sturm landed occasional sharp clean shots but at the same time Macklin was landing 4-5 punch combos. Even if one believes they weren't hurting Sturm, he was out working him, out landing him and moving him backwards with the pressure and combination punching. If sturm was making him miss, using movement, etc. it would be a different story, but he was just sitting there for the vast majority of the round allowing macklin to work him over
 
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I'd watch the Sturm/Gevor fight if you haven't already. It was basically a carbon copy of this fight with Gevor doing a lot of work but landing mostly on the arms/gloves with Gevor landing cleaner and there was a huge outrage in that fight as well.
 
naner12

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2-0-Sixx said:
I saw Sturm visually hurt a couple times, the body shots were effecting him and he had his mouth open and taking big breathes between rounds, he was worn down (although that last 10 second flurry in the 12 round was his best flurry of the fight).

The other thing is yes Sturm landed occasional sharp clean shots but at the same time Macklin was landing 4-5 punch combos. Even if one believes they weren't hurting Sturm, he was out working him, out landing him and moving him backwards with the pressure and combination punching. If sturm was making him miss, using movement, etc. it would be a different story, but he was just sitting there for the vast majority of the round allowing macklin to work him over
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I didn't see him hurt much at all even though Macklin's body work was class but he gave up on it in the middle of the fight. It's funny how it works, I remember back in the day people were going crazy over Vargas Vs. Winky. Vargas threw a lot landing to the gloves/arms and Winky landed cleaner and people called it the robbery of the century when Vargas won.

I think Macklin won but defense is defense. Macklin didn't land as much as people are claiming he did and what seemed to be a relentless body attack seized early after bruising his rib cage in the very first round with it.

Sturm snapped Macklin's head around more than the other way around. The scorecards being 8-4 is a shame but a draw or close win for Sturm is really not that out of line to me. They had a lot of rounds that I thought were hard to score or close based on what I considered to be more important in that individual round, Macklin's work rate or Sturm's clean shots, and you'd have to imagine that in the judges eyes Sturm would probably get the benefit of the doubt.

Some rounds I scored for Macklin that I was thinking could've gone to Sturm.
 
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Bigface - Harold Letterman (sp?) said it best......"Devon is throwing punches that get the crowd into it. Matlysee is throwing punches that count"

I believe it was letterman or maybe Roy Jones Jr.

Either way it was clear to me that Matlysee was doing the damage in the fight. I just don't see how you saw it was even a close fight.

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JLMACN said:
Bigface - Harold Letterman (sp?) said it best......"Devon is throwing punches that get the crowd into it. Matlysee is throwing punches that count"

I believe it was letterman or maybe Roy Jones Jr.

Either way it was clear to me that Matlysee was doing the damage in the fight. I just don't see how you saw it was even a close fight.

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yeah,, i was pulling for Alexander and at no point in the fight did i feel he won it. he got knocked down for fucks sake.
 
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naner12 said:
Streamed where?

.. and yeah the fights are pretty good tonight. I thought Herrera was doing well in the fight and most of the rounds were close, even though I thought 98-92 was a ridiculous score I got no problem with the draw or 96-94 Herrera.. not sure where the madness and acting like it was a robbery came from.
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I just watched this last night and i thought dallas was robbed...

I went to watch a couple of local pro's at a venue in my city (fairfield) friday night..There is a cat from vacaville named tino avilla and he's preety damn good...They say he's signed with golden boy, his record is 5-0...Sugar Shanes dad was there with a boxer he was training that got KO'd in the 1st round..LOL..
 
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Today Alexander said today he's leaving 140 pounds and going to 147. He's already twitter beefing back and forth with Paulie Malignaggi.

Good luck to him there...I don't see him doing too well because his power isn't really showing lately at 140 so unless he learns to really sit down on his punches he's going to be a feather duster at 147.
 
naner12

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Joey said:
I just watched this last night and i thought dallas was robbed...

I went to watch a couple of local pro's at a venue in my city (fairfield) friday night..There is a cat from vacaville named tino avilla and he's preety damn good...They say he's signed with golden boy, his record is 5-0...Sugar Shanes dad was there with a boxer he was training that got KO'd in the 1st round..LOL..
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A lot of people said the same in his fight with Provodnikov that he got a gift decision. I just don't see it I guess. Out of curiosity what would've been your score?
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
Today Alexander said today he's leaving 140 pounds and going to 147. He's already twitter beefing back and forth with Paulie Malignaggi.

Good luck to him there...I don't see him doing too well because his power isn't really showing lately at 140 so unless he learns to really sit down on his punches he's going to be a feather duster at 147.
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He should just stay at 140 and refuse to take a fight outside of St. Louis and keep making big time money on HBO by never losing no matter what.

Malignaggi wouldn't be bad though. Paul is a moved up because he couldn't make it at 140 welter himself so that shouldn't be too bad of a fight but I agree with you I don't see him making it far at the weight.
 
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lol manipulate the system fuck it. If Boxing ain't gonna step in and correct these robberys why not continue to collect big paydays in ur hometown cuz these judges don't know which way is up or these promoters got them by the balls.

I wish Cotto would fight Alexander at 147, he would kill him. Alexander is a moron if he moves up in weight
 
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there was no compubox but there was something by skysports, many people thought was a joke. It basically had macklin landing on average 11-12 punches per round which is bullshit.

In the 11th round the British channel showed the punch stats as being 139 to 131 (landed) for Macklin. They didn't show amount thrown or any final punch stats after the fight, nor has it been released as far as I know.

Even though Compubox is basically just two guys on a laptop with clickers, I'm sure it's better than this unknown british source as there is no way Macklin landed only 12 punches per round.
 
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JLMACN said:
Bigface - Harold Letterman (sp?) said it best......"Devon is throwing punches that get the crowd into it. Matlysee is throwing punches that count"

I believe it was letterman or maybe Roy Jones Jr.

Either way it was clear to me that Matlysee was doing the damage in the fight. I just don't see how you saw it was even a close fight.

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I understand that Matthyse had more punching power but from round 1 -7 other then the knock down in the fourth round Devon was winning the rounds, by workrate and making Matthyse miss. When Matthyse's body work slowed Devon down in the 7th, is when Matthyse did his best work. Devon won the 9th round. So I just don't see the robbery at all Matthyse gave up too many early rounds just like he did in the Judah fight, just like Maidana did in the Khan fight. You can't gave up a 5 round lead and expect to win a decision.

With that said Devon sucks ass and I'm sick of watching him fight.
 
naner12

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2-0-Sixx said:
there was no compubox but there was something by skysports, many people thought was a joke. It basically had macklin landing on average 11-12 punches per round which is bullshit.

In the 11th round the British channel showed the punch stats as being 139 to 131 (landed) for Macklin. They didn't show amount thrown or any final punch stats after the fight, nor has it been released as far as I know.

Even though Compubox is basically just two guys on a laptop with clickers, I'm sure it's better than this unknown british source as there is no way Macklin landed only 12 punches per round.
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Damn. I know CompuBox didn't do it but I figured they'd have someone doing it as they usually show punch stats on Sky Sports events and none of those are done by CB.

.. on a side note since I didn't mention it at all I think you did though. Kell Brook had a FANTASTIC performance against Ndou, whatever people think of Ndou he's durable tough and usually doesn't back up and Brook had him visibly hurt and backing up most of the fight. Very impressive showing here by Brook.
 
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