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I fucking told y'all Stevenson was leaving! HBO tries its best to not put up with Al Haymon. and now more mismatching fights to come we can only imagine how showtime will suffer this year. Now, Main Events might not fuck with Showtime no more either
Stevenson just pulled off one of the greatest ducks of all time. The complexity of it all, genius. Top 10 p4p duck of all time. Legendary. Makes Riddick Bowe's duck of Lennox Lewis look like childs play.
 
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But fuck it, it might be better for Kovalev. A fight with Pascal, Chavez jr, GGG (when he decides to move up), even Andre Ward can be in the mix for this or next year. While all Stevenson has is B Hop, which B Hop will win. Im actually hoping B Hop loses his next fight now so Stevenson vs B Hop won't Happen in HBO. And whats up with Keith Thurman getting screwed again? If he were in HBO, he would have been main carding homie! Good thing I don't have Showtime
 
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You should hope Stevenson loses his next fight not Hopkins. Hopkins is just doing his thing. Stevenson could have had Kovalev now, instead he's fighting that Polish kid from Chicago. Also if Hopkins loses to Shumonev, keep in mind Shumonev is an Al Haymon fighter just like Stevenson so it still works out for team Haymon.

Btw, Stevenson vs Hopkins would be on Showtime not HBO. Hopkins is with Golden Boy so he can only fight on Showtime.
 

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It's time to call a duck a duck....
You are one of the top three hypocrites of this forum, maybe even top 2.

Hopkins calls out Kovalev because he was gonna get stripped of his belt.

Kovalev takes an easy way out and fights another fighter.

Stevenson calls out Hopkins numerous times.

Kovalev calls out Stevenson and Stevenson answers saying he will fight him but not for pennies.

Stevenson makes the moves to fight the person he called out, AFTER HBO failed to take up his fight and contract, yet he is ducking?

LMAO. The hypocrisy and Stevenson hate that you have shown since day one is showing. You're an extremist to the highest degree. Pac can do no wrong and BHOP can shit golden turds.

And then we have Czar, another contender for the P4P biggest hypocrite. Czar, it's ok for Floyd to not fight his mandatory and consider a fight with a guy who is shitty simply because hsi mandatory, according to you, "has no fanbase?"
 
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You should hope Stevenson loses his next fight not Hopkins. Hopkins is just doing his thing. Stevenson could have had Kovalev now, instead he's fighting that Polish kid from Chicago. Also if Hopkins loses to Shumonev, keep in mind Shumonev is an Al Haymon fighter just like Stevenson so it still works out for team Haymon.

Btw, Stevenson vs Hopkins would be on Showtime not HBO. Hopkins is with Golden Boy so he can only fight on Showtime.
And where were you when Kovalev could have had Hopkins but turned down the fight?
 

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Stevenson just pulled off one of the greatest ducks of all time. The complexity of it all, genius. Top 10 p4p duck of all time. Legendary. Makes Riddick Bowe's duck of Lennox Lewis look like childs play.
Here ya go, genius.

HBO chose not to renegotiate a contract with WBC light heavyweight champion Adonis Stevenson (23-1, 20 KO’s), who is fighting Andrzej Fonfara (25-2, 15 KO’s) on May 4th at the Bell Centre, Montreal, Quebec, Canada. HBO had the option of taking this fight and keeping Stevenson with their network, but they passed up on the deal, according to Yahoo Sports. It’s possible that the asking price was too much to keep the 36-year-old Stevenson, who is now being managed by Al Haymon.
 

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Richard Schaefer Chimes in on Stevenson/Kovalev/Duva - Boxing News

By Rick Reeno

BoxingScene.com spoke to Golden Boy Promotions CEO, Richard Schaefer, who chimed in on the escalating situation involving WBC light heavyweight champion Adonis Stevenson (23-1, 20KOs).

In an earlier interview conducted by BoxingScene's Bill "Two Scoops" Emes, Main Events CEO Kathy Duva , who promotes WBO light heavyweight champion Sergey Kovalev (23-0-1, 21KOs), unleashed some verbal fury in the direction of Stevenson and his new adviser Al Haymon.

For the better part of 2013, HBO was showcasing both Stevenson and Kovalev on their network - hoping to eventually match them up in 2014.

Earlier this year, it appeared that HBO, Duva and Stevenson's promoter Yvon Michel had reached a verbal agreement for a fall fight.

But then a few weeks ago, Stevenson was unexpectedly announced as the latest addition to Haymon's vast stable of fighters. At the time of this announcement, HBO was attempting to sign Stevenson to a multi-fight agreement - which involved a unification with Kovalev.

Kovalev returns on Saturday night against Cedric Agnew in Atlantic City.

Stevenson is back on May 24 against Andrzej Fonfara in Montreal. HBO appeared to be the network of choice for this match. But, Showtime jumped in the mix with a more lucrative offer to televise the fight. In the end, HBO refused to match Showtime's offer and now Stevenson-Fonfara is heading across the street.

It's no secret in the boxing industry that HBO broke their business ties with Haymon and Golden Boy early last year. It's no secret that most of Haymon's fighters are primarily showcased by Showtime. And it's also no secret that Stevenson wants to face IBF champion Bernard Hopkins, who faces WBA champion Beibut Shumenov in a Showtime unification bout on April 19th.

"About two months ago, we made a deal. We had a deal with Yvon Michel. We had a deal with HBO. We all got on the phone together in Atlantic City for a fight that we had on January 24th. I walked around that day very happy because we had a deal. I had really not been concerned that Adonis was going to fight or not, because I was told by his promoter that he was willing to do so," Duva told BoxingScene.com.

"I think that every time I saw Adonis Stevenson asked whether he wanted to fight Sergey Kovalev, he began to stutter. I think he had no desire to fight him. I think it's quite clear he had no desire to fight him. He went and made the one move that he could make [in preventing a Kovalev fight] by running to a rival network and with a manager who is known as an obstructionist. Yes he got his wish, he doesn't have to fight Sergey Kovalev right now. But I don't know if he can avoid him forever."

Schaefer, who doesn't have financial stake with either fighter, sees no issue with Stevenson and his promoter, Yvon Michel, going across the street because they were offered "more money." He says HBO could have easily matched the offer from Showtime, but forced Stevenson's hand when they passed on the opportunity to do so.

"I have no horse in this fight, but I followed with interest. I saw the recent interview that Kathy Duva gave, and to say that Hopkins, Shumenov or Stevenson are worried about fighting Kovalev, or scared of fighting Kovalev, is very disrespectful by her. You don't say things like that," Schaefer told BoxingScene.com.

"I applaud Al and I applaud Yvon Michel for doing what's best for their fighter by maximizing his revenue. So my question is, why would Kathy Duva not be supportive of that? Why wouldn't she want Kovalev to go and fight where the most money is? That is the question that I would ask if I was Kovalev, or his manager. That's what I would ask if that was my promoter."

"Why does a Kovalev-Stevenson fight or a Kovalev-Hopkins or Shumenov fight have to be on HBO? Who benefits? Kathy Duva? Certainly not the fighter. You should be able to see where you can maximize the revenues. And if maximizing the revenues means that a certain fight should be on HBO, then it should be on HBO. And if it should be on Showtime, then it should be on Showtime."

"I can tell you that Bernard wants to make the most money, and if the most money is on Showtime then he's fighting on Showtime and if the most money is on HBO, then it's on HBO. That's really the bottom line. Showtime is working on a long-term goal of a fight, which would obviously be the winners of Hopkins-Shumenov and Stevenson-Fonfara. There is no secret that Bernard likes that fight and Stevenson likes that fight, but both of them have to win."

"And again, if I was Kovalev - I would ask my promoter 'why is it that I have to fight on HBO?' Is it where the most money is? If yes, then great you fight on HBO. But if it's not, then you have to ask yourself on why Kathy Duva is so hell-bent on having Kovalev fight on HBO. Do you think Stevenson went over to Showtime because he's making less money? It's nice for Kathy to stick up for HBO and I'm sure HBO likes that, but at the end of the day Kathy's fiduciary responsibilities are not to HBO, her fiduciary responsibilities are to Kovalev to maximize the revenues for him. Again, I have no horse in this race, that's just my honest assessment."
 
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Lol richard schaefer.

HBO had a deal with Kovalev, Stevenson to fight, both would take tune ups first. The deal was HBO would pay for Stevenson's tune up if he fights Kovalev next. Then Stevenson got Al Haymon, asked for MORE money for his tune up WITH OUT the guarantee of fighting Kovalev after. HBO said fuck that.
 
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And where were you when Kovalev could have had Hopkins but turned down the fight?
Kovalev never turned down the fight. He had two options - go to a purse bid with Golden Boy, which would take time and fight at an unknown date and venue, or fight Cleverly immediately on HBO, with date, venue and money already figured out. Hopkins and Cleverly were both title holders. Kathy Duva went with the immediate title shot rather than going through a drawn out purse bid process with Golden Boy.

It's funny how you are taking this so personal, calling me names and shit. It's not my fault Stevenson ducked Kovalev.
 
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Hopkins didnt call out Kovalev cus he was going to be stripped.

This is exactly what happened.

-Murat was Hopkins mandatory to the IBF belt. Fight was scheduled for a date and location.
-Murat than had visa problems and couldn't get into the US
-The IBF then elivated Kovalev as Hopkins' mandatory fight.
-Kathy Duva/Kovalev reached out to Golden Boy to make the fight
-Richard Schaefer said they'll need to reschedule, negotiate contracts, etc.
-IBF ordered threatened a purse bid if GB and Main Events wouldn't make a deal. Purse bid would be determined in later weeks/months.
-Meanwhile, Nathan Cleverly already had an HBO date, venue and time slot as well as being a belt holder.
-Frank Warren, Cleverly's manager, contacted Kathy Duva and offered immidate title shot with good money.
-Duva accepts rather than wait on Golden Boy/IBF
-Shortly after, Murat's visa issues get solved and he's cleared to fly to the uS
-IBF reinstates Murat as Hopkins mandatory


Hopkins himself even suggested that Kovalev fights Cleverly first:

“For me, it’s a no-brainer,” the 48-year-old Hopkins said. “Kovalev can go get Cleverly, I can probably get Adonis and we go head-to-head and give the fans the old light heavyweight battles they had in the late '70 and '80s, and then the winners can fight. It doesn’t seem complicated. OK, maybe I’m being a little sarcastic.”​

Here is an article backing up my list of events as they happened and Main Events interest in having Kovalev fight Hopkins, in which Richard Schaefer was hesitant:

In a surprising development, the IBF has ordered light heavyweight titleholder Bernard Hopkins to begin negotiations with mandatory challenger Sergey Kovalev immediately, IBF chairman Lindsey Tucker wrote in a letter obtained by SI.com. Hopkins was originally scheduled to defend his title against mandatory challenger Karo Murat on July 13. However Murat was unable to obtain a visa to enter the United States, and the fight was scrapped. In a letter from Tucker to Golden Boy Promotions matchmaker Eric Gomez, Tucker said negotiations for Hopkins-Kovalev must be completed by July 17, or the fight would go to a purse bid.

Tucker said neither fighter could take an interim fight. Main Events CEO Kathy Duva told SI.com she had already sent Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer an email about beginning negotiations.

"If Bernard wants to fight Sergey, Sergey is there," Duva said. "This is something he would love to do."

Said Kovalev's manager, Egis Klimas, "If we have the opportunity to fight Bernard Hopkins, we want it. That's what Sergey was aiming for, that's what he wants right now."

Schaefer told SI.com that the decision to fight Kovalev was "up to Bernard," but added that he didn't believe it would have much appeal to Showtime.

"We have been looking at historically significant fights," Schaefer said, mentioning titleholders Nathan Cleverly, Beibut Shumenov and Adonis Stevenson. "Kovalev is someone I have never heard of, someone many people have never heard of. That doesn't mean he is not good. I'm just not so sure how attractive [a fight] that is. You could say the same thing about Murat. I don't know what the network interest will be. I'd have to go do quite a sales job."

The IBF's decision is an interesting twist for Kovalev (21-0), the fastest rising star in the division and who is coming off a third-round knockout of Cornelius White last weekend. Kovalev's profile has risen significantly over the last year after his four bouts on NBC Sports Network. He won all four by knockout, each inside four rounds.

Read More: Bernard Hopkins must start negotiations with Sergey Kovalev - MMA - Chris Mannix - SI.com
 
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Its easy if u want to duck and dodge fights sign with al haymon ah ah its business first ah ah i fight at showtime hahaha why u think bitch ass floyd ran to showtime cuz hbo was on his ass about the manny fight..of course floyd,gbp,showtime and his stupid fans saying he got a 6 fight contract bullshitt that mothafucker got no contract..mothafucker pussied out str8up..was up with every word coming out of richard sheefers mouth is money money we dont give a fuck just make good fights and stop lying he acting like floyd nothing but liars
 
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Here ya go, genius.

HBO chose not to renegotiate a contract with WBC light heavyweight champion Adonis Stevenson (23-1, 20 KO’s), who is fighting Andrzej Fonfara (25-2, 15 KO’s) on May 4th at the Bell Centre, Montreal, Quebec, Canada. HBO had the option of taking this fight and keeping Stevenson with their network, but they passed up on the deal, according to Yahoo Sports. It’s possible that the asking price was too much to keep the 36-year-old Stevenson, who is now being managed by Al Haymon.
What is left out from that quote is one major factor:

Here’s the thing: Bad Left Hook also reported that a deal breaker in the negotiations, something that Michel’s statement didn’t note, was that HBO wanted a guarantee that Stevenson would box Sergey Kovalev before airing Stevenson’s next bout.

In other words, HBO would have gave Stevenson all the money he was asking for IF he agreed to fight Kovalev next. He declined and jumped ship to Showtime. :hurt:
 
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Hate to ether you like this HERESY but it must be done:

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So while Hopkins is in, if that is the direction Kovalev pursues, it gets a little complicated because HBO won’t do business with Golden Boy, his promoter. Though Showtime was ready to televise Hopkins against then-mandatory Karo Murat on July 13 -- before Murat dropped out because of an inability to get a visa -- the network, from what Hopkins said, is not interested in putting him on against Kovalev.

Go figure, because Hopkins-Kovalev is a much, much more interesting fight than Hopkins-Murat ever was.

“[Kovalev] is a good puncher and some people are excited about him,” Hopkins said. “He’s a better quality name than Karo Murat is.”

The reason for Showtime’s possible reluctance to put on Hopkins-Kovalev is because it is not heavily invested in the division and doesn’t have any future rights on Kovalev, so it wouldn’t want to build him up only to see him beat Hopkins and then go to HBO, which is doing a ton of business at light heavyweight and super middleweight.

So while Hopkins waits to see what will happen, he made a suggestion -- that Kovalev go fight Cleverly, and he would be happy to face new champ Adonis Stevenson, who drilled Chad Dawson in the first round June 8 to win the lineal title Hopkins used to hold (as well as an alphabet belt Hopkins used to own before losing to Dawson). Stevenson said he was interested in fighting Hopkins after beating Dawson.


“For me, it’s a no-brainer,” the 48-year-old Hopkins said. “Kovalev can go get Cleverly, I can probably get Adonis and we go head-to-head and give the fans the old light heavyweight battles they had in the late '70 and '80s, and then the winners can fight. It doesn’t seem complicated. OK, maybe I’m being a little sarcastic.”​

And the nail in the coffin from Showtime Sports President who said they weren't interested in Hopkins vs Kovalev:

Stephen Espinoza S @stephen Espinoza
Many factors - schedule, budget, lack of depth in the division, etc. " M @mark EOrtega: WHY @shosports isn't interested in Kovalev for B-Hop"
8:26 PM - 19 Jun 2013 Manhattan, NY, United States
 
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So in other words your god, BHOP, is a LIAR for saying Kovalev ducked him and "took the easy way out." And don't say he never said it because he did. I quoted his exact words before and you know it.

And all credible sources have said Stevenson agreed to the HBO terms, SHO came with an offer and then the ball was back in HBO hands and they turned it down. Read the yahoo article in the link you originally posted and you will see it. So there is no ethering you hypocrite. And yeah I am calling you one (you are still my fam, that aint gonna change, lol) but it is the truth.

Do I think Stevenson should fight Kovalev? Absolutely and if more credible evidence comes to light proving he ducked I will admit it but it all points to HBO.
 
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If my God was Hopkins I would be loving this deal as it means Hopkins vs Stevenson is right around the corner, but I'm a fan of the sport first and foremost and Whats right is right Whats wrong is wrong. The fans want Stevenson vs Kovalev. We deserve it.

You have disproved nothing. Check the boxing scene articles as wellx they all mention HBO wanted a guarantee Stevenson would fight Kovalev, he said no and Thats it.

Why doesn't HBO work with Golden Boy any more? Because most of them are Al Haymon guys and they are tired of these Haymon deals where they are forced to spend millions on shit fights only for the best never to fight the best. That's what happened here. Haymon wanted HBO to suddenly pay Stevenson more money for a fucking tune up with no promose he'll fight Kovalev. The only reason HBO was willing to pay in the first place wad for the sole intention of setting up Stevenson vs Kovalev. They said fuck off Haymon. Haymon is what is fuckef about boxing this happens all the time. Berto getting paid over a million to fight on an undercard, those days are over with HBO.

Adonis had the opportunity to fight Kovalev AND Hopkins after. He chose not to.
 
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They had a deal BEFORE Al Haymon got involved. Once Haymon was in the picture they (Stevenson/Haymon) suddenly wanted to change the deal: 1. More money for a Stevenson tune up and 2. No guarantee to fight Kovalev after. They killed the previous deal.

This was a power move by Haymon to bring Stevenson to Showtime. HBO didn't drop the ball.

As soon as Stevenson hired Al Haymon all the speculation was he wasn't going to fight Kovalev. And now looked what happened - exactly that.
 
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They had a deal BEFORE Al Haymon got involved. Once Haymon was in the picture they (Stevenson/Haymon) suddenly wanted to change the deal: 1. More money for a Stevenson tune up and 2. No guarantee to fight Kovalev after. They killed the previous deal.

This was a power move by Haymon to bring Stevenson to Showtime. HBO didn't drop the ball.

As soon as Stevenson hired Al Haymon all the speculation was he wasn't going to fight Kovalev. And now looked what happened - exactly that.
#2 never happened.