Boxing News Thread

2-0-Sixx · Mar 26, 2014

Really?

: Bad Left Hook also reported that a deal breaker in the negotiations, something that Michel’s statement didn’t note, was that HBO wanted a guarantee that Stevenson would box Sergey Kovalev before airing Stevenson’s next bout.

From boxingscene:

HBO’s concern over securing rights to the May 24 bout stemmed from a reversal in its previous negotiations. All parties agreed to the license fee that was assigned to the fight. However, Stevenson’s camp approached the network to ask for a rumored significant increase, without the assurance that his next fight would in fact be against Kovalev, should both fighters win their upcoming bouts. HBO Passes on Stevenson-Fonfara; Open to Kovalev Bout - Boxing News

Coach E. No · Mar 26, 2014

2-0-Sixx said:

C'mon now, Bowe's duck might be one of the top 3 in boxing ever. He literally threw his belt in the trash so he wouldn't have to fight him son lol

2-0-Sixx · Mar 26, 2014

diggidy405 said:

Yeah but it was dumb because he lost his belt. With this sophisticated duck Stevenson is able to keep his belt!

Coach E. No · Mar 26, 2014

lol That's my point. He flat out said "if you want this belt, you gotta come get it out of the trash." He gave up his title to avoid him.

It's not that sophisticated, he just fled to Showtime. A duck is a duck though nonetheless

trips · Mar 26, 2014

heyzel said:

HERESY · Mar 26, 2014

2-0-Sixx said:

No. It never happened and Dan Rafael already went in on HBO and shed light on the subject. BEFORE Stevenson signed with Haymon HBO had the contracts for three months but SAT ON THEM. Everything was all worked out but they, HBO, never signed the paperwork. So then Stevenson goes out, gets Haymon and then they attempt to renegotiate after HBO holds out. More money for the fight Stevenson is currently scheduled to fight for or no guaranteed anything. SHO then stepped to the plate, HBO failed to counter.

Again, Dan Rafael, a guy you recently praised in another thread shed light on this so stop the bullshit.

ETA: Everything I have read that mentioned the increase has said Stevenson wanted a 40% increase. However, some say it didn't include the Kovalev fight and was a one fight deal being negotiated while some claim it was a two fight deal.

2-0-Sixx · Mar 26, 2014

I've provided multiple sources stating the deal HBO had for Stevenson was the agreement to fight Kovalev! Dan Rafael can blame HBO for "sitting" on the contract for two months if he wants, doesn't change the fact all parties had an agreement until Stevenson hired Haymon and everything changed. Dude straight up bounced to Showtime rather than fight Polish dude and Kovalev. That is a duck any way you slice it, period.

battle619 · Mar 27, 2014

My bad

@2-0-Sixx for saying B=Hop should lose, it Stevenson I want to lose! The truth is that B-Hop can't bring in ratings but does fight for the fans. Stevenson doesn't so even if he beats B-Hop then what? But now it seems like Main Events won't fuck with Showtime at all, which is a bad look for the network. If its just GBP fighters fighting eachother then they should just rid all the belts and start a strictly GBP title belts.

2-0-Sixx · Mar 27, 2014

Showtime doesn't fuck with any other promoter its all Golden Boy, unless the rare occasion when an Al Haymon fighter is with someone else.

Hopkins does bring in good ratings but Showtime ratings are lower in general than HBO. Like Hopkins vs Pascal 2 was like 1.8 million something like that on HBO, but when he fights on Showtime the numbers are like 1.1-1.2 million.

If Stevenson and Kovalev fought on HBO the ratings would be big, 1.6-.1.8 million, around there. Bhop vs Stevenson on Showtime probably around 1.3 million. Hopkins also would take the majority of the money, or at least 50/50, whereas Stevenson would definitely take the lions share of the purse against Kovalev. So even if Hopkins Stevenson would generate a little more money, Stevenson would still likely get paid less than if he fought Kovalev because of the split.

2-0-Sixx · Mar 27, 2014

I would also like to challenge the statement that Haymon is "not the problem" and it's the networks. Well let's take a look at the upcoming Al Haymon fights and lets see:

Peter Quillin vs. Lukas Konecny
Keith Thurman vs Julio Diaz
Matthysse vs John Molina
Omar Figueroa vs. Jerry Belmontes
Erislandy Lara vs. Ishe Smith
Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Marcos Maidana
Broner vs Carlos Molina
Stevenson vs Andrzej Fonfara***

The only TWO upcoming Haymon fights that are competetive are:
Amir Khan vs Collazo
Bernard Hopokins vs Shumenov (Haymon)

So out of 10 fights only 2 are competetive, the other 8 are mismatches. So for me, I'm glad HBO isn't buying shit fights like this. It's unfortunate, imo, that Showtime Sports is now ran by Golden Boy's attorney. Big conflict of interest obviously.*

HERESY · Mar 27, 2014

2-0-Sixx said:

They had an agreement. So that means he AGREED to fight Kovalev. Then HBO sits on it and NEGLECTS the fight by stalling for months.

Agreement was made.
HBO sat on the paperwork for at least two months.
Stevenson hires Haymon to renegotiate.
They present it to HBO.
HBO declines.
Per the contract they are free to shop and hit SHO.
SHO gives Stevenson what he wanted.
Stevenson then goes BACK to HBO so they can counter.
HBO passes.

So how the fuck is Stevenson ducking when he agreed to fight but HBO sat on the paperwork? I can see if no paperwork was involved but there was so cut the shit. You are the biggest Stevenson hater. You didn't want him ranked, you didn't think he should have ben contender for boxer or ko of the year and you fear he will destroy Hopkins now that he is in his backyard.

And now let me turn to that hypocrite czar. You prop 206 and praise Kovalev yet you shit on GGG. You don't find that odd????????

battle619 · Mar 27, 2014

Showtime does fuck with other promos. Rosado is with Main Events and has fought twice for Showtime and Joe Goosen also fucks with Showtime, plus a lot of Mexican promo companies.

2-0-Sixx · Mar 27, 2014

battle619 said:

Only if they are fighting a Golden Boy fighter. We haven't seen one single Showtime card that wasn't a Golden Boy card since the network war or whatever you want to call it happened. So it will be a Golden Boy card, with maybe one of the opponents promoted by Main Events or some small time promotet like that.

2-0-Sixx · Mar 27, 2014

HERESY said:

Why do you keep leaving out the BIGGEST AND MOST IMPORTANT factor? Stevenson wanted more money AND no agreement to fight Kovalev? That was the deal breaker.

I'm a Stevenson hater? I'm calling it as I see it.

I didn't want Stevenson ranked? Ranked in what, he's the #1 lineal 175 champion. I said I didn't have him ranked top ten pound 4 pound YET (I also don't rank GGG top ten yet either for similar reasons). Additionally, when I made my litte "2-0-Sixx boxing awards" thread, I had Stevenson as my runner up for Fighter of the Year (only behind Rigondeaux and a head of Mayweather).

I didn't want him for KO of the year? LOL I had him for my KO of the year, check the thread:
http://www.siccness.net/vb/f78/2-0-sixxs-2013-boxing-awards-366048.html

As for your Hopkins theory Thats comedy. I actually think Hopkins would beat Stevenson and I'm on record saying Kovalev would be too much for Hopkins at his age (since he has a high work rate and has power).

HERESY · Mar 27, 2014

2-0-Sixx said:

No. Sitting on the paperwork for over two fuckin months was the deal breaker. Did he go and get Haymon before or after they sat on the paperwork? After. Did he want more money before or after they sat on the paperwork? After.

Remember, his team had already accepted via email but the paperwork was just sitting in front of HBO for two months. What is he supposed to do? Just sit and wait around while everyone else is getting paid? Hell no. He AGREED to fight Kovalev and HBO sat on the paperwork. That is NOT his fault.

And again, everything I am reading says it was a 40% increase but some are saying an agreement with Kovalev was in place while others are saying it wasn't so I don't know. I do know that he agreed to fight Kovalev and HBO sat on the paperwork. That is a fact and can't be disputed,

You are a hater.

Yet you still hate, bro.

Link isn't working.

More hate.

2-0-Sixx · Mar 27, 2014

you're blaming HBO for not rushing to sign the deal (why was there a rush?) instead of blaming Stevenson and Haymon for killing the original agreement by changing what was agreed upon.

The link works either try again or simply go to the 2nd page of the combat forum and you'll see my Awards post. Runner up: Stevenson for fighter of the year. KO of the year - Stevenson.

Calling me a hater in responses is some 14 year old girl arguments. "Oh you don't think Justin Beiber shouldn't have won a grammy? You're just a hater!" I disproved multiple of your claims incorrect and you reply with you're a hater. Damn man your debating skills went to shit.

HERESY · Mar 27, 2014

2-0-Sixx said:

Duva confirmed that they had agreed via email. HBO said they had the paperwork. Read Dan Rafael's posts and you'll see it was confirmed.

Rushing to sign a deal? They had the paperwork for over two months. What fuckin rush are you talking about? Listen bro, if I tell you I want to make a deal with you to do a job, and I give you the paperwork to sign, and you sit on the shit for months do you honestly think I am going to wait? HELL NO! I am going to go to someone else and see if I can get my paper. The original deal was killed by HBO not signing the paperwork.

I will.

Damn bro you listen to Beiber? No wonder why you are gettin soft. I need that old 206, this new nigga is on some weak shit.

2-0-Sixx · Mar 27, 2014

HERESY said:

I misunderstood what you were saying and edited that out shortly after you were writing your response. I was referring to after he signed with Haymon, not before.

All three parties have to be involved in working out the details, money, terms, etc. The email was an agreement for the basic principles, which the three parties to agree on. From there the legal documents have to be written up, lawyers, managers, etc, it's not just that simple. For example the same time line was with Kovalev and his deal as he just inked up his contract with HBO last week (the same time Stevenson would have).

Here is Kovalev just last week at HBO signing his contract:

What I would expect from you since we go way back is to simply own up to a mistake and simply say, "my bad, I was wrong about a couple things I thought otherwise" rather than act immature about it. You made a couple false claims, I showed they were false, and you come at me with you're a hater. This is downgrading yourself to the level if a bigface or a poster like that. It's not even a significant point (me picking Stevenson as KO of the year and Fighter of the year runner up), iit's not even that serious to act in that kind of manner.

heyzel · Mar 27, 2014

Khan: I’ll talk to Hatton to find out how to beat Collazo
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Khan Collazo Khan vs. Collazo ricky hatton luis collazo amir khan By Scott Gilfoid: Amir Khan (28-3, 19 KO’s) says he’ll be speaking with former two-division world champion Ricky Hatton to find out ways that he can beat former WBA welterweight champion Luis Collazo (35-5, 18 KO’s) in their match-up on May 3rd in Las Vegas, Nevada. Hatton has a 12 round decision win over Luis Collazo from 2006, so Khan hopes to be able to get some good ideas from him in how to solve the Collazo puzzle.

“It’ll be good to speak to Ricky. He’s been in the ring with him [Collazo], and he’s going to know exactly what to do in how to beat him,” Khan said to BoxNation. “He’s a good opponent at 147. He’s a big 147lb fighter. He’s ranked quite highly in the world rankings. People are looking forward to finding out what I’ll be like at 147. I’ll be much stronger at this weight, because I won’t be killing myself to make weight. I’ve beaten every southpaw I’ve faced.”

I’m honestly not too sure how useful Hatton will be in giving advice to Khan about how to beat Collazo, because Hatton’s win over him from 2006 was a highly controversial one where many boxing fans thought Hatton was given a gift. Collazo staggered Hatton in the 12th round, and dominated him in at least 7 of the other rounds of the fight. I thought Hatton won 4 of the rounds, but even those rounds were very close and could have easily gone to Collazo based on his cleaner landing shots, and due to his good counter shots that he was landing.

Collazo was making Hatton pay for each punch he landed in that fight and making him look really bad. However, Hatton was the A-side fighter with the name, so I wasn’t surprised at all when Collazo was robbed of the decision. He was pretty much in the tough situation where he was going to need to KO Hatton in order to win the fight, and when that didn’t happen, I knew that Collazo wasn’t going to be given the win over him. Hatton was too popular and the judges weren’t going to give a decision to someone with no fan base like Collazo.

The only thing that Hatton did in the Collazo fight was to get in close and throw body and head shots. If this is the advice that Hatton gives to Khan, then he’s going to get him knocked clean out, because Khan doesn’t have an inside game. Collazo is the much superior inside fighter, and he’s also got a lot of power in close. When Collazo fought Hatton in 2006, he wasn’t the puncher that he is now.

Collazo has developed more punching power as he’s gotten older, and he’s much more dangerous than he was when he fought Hatton. The Collazo of 2014 would have knocked Hatton out in 2006 within 3-4 rounds, because Hatton would have been right in Collazo’s power alley early in the fight.

Khan is going to get nailed by one of Collazo’s big hooks if he gets in close enough for Collazo to land. Even if Khan stays on the outside, he’ll get hit with a big left hook when he throws his wild flurries that he likes to throw. I hope for Khan’s sake that his trainer Virgil Hunter has taught him to stop throwing flurries, because Khan has been hurt in the past when he’s charged forward trying to impress the crowd and the judges with his hand speed. The only way you can fight a guy like Collazo if you’re a fighter with a weak chin like Khan is to use your jab and throw only one punch at a time to keep from getting hit with his counter shots.

I expect Khan to revert to form after a round or two, and start throwing his flurries. He’s obviously been told by his trainer Virgil Hunter to not throw flurries, but Khan will slip back into his old ways once the action heats up. We saw Khan following Hunter’s instructions at the start of his bouts against Carlos Molina and Julio Diaz. But after a couple of rounds in each of those fights, Khan fell back into his old ways and started throwing flurries, and getting nailed with some vicious shots. After that, Hunter was basically wasting his time in trying to tell Khan anything, because he was just going out in each round and doing the same thing by throwing flurries instead of following Hunter’s instructions.

Read more at Khan: I’ll talk to Hatton to find out how to beat Collazo

heyzel · Mar 27, 2014

Keith Thurman: I’ll be victorious over Julio Diaz
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Thurman Diaz Thurman vs. Diaz keith thurman julio diaz By Dan Ambrose: WBA interim welterweight champion Keith Thurman (22-0, 20 KO’s) expects to beat 34-year-old former IBF lightweight champion Julio Diaz (40-9-1, 29 KO’s) in their fight on April 26th next month at the StubHub Center, in Carson, California, USA. Thurman, 25, is the much younger and stronger fighter of the two, and it’s going to be awfully difficult for Diaz to be competitive in this fight the way that he was recently with Amir Khan and Shawn Porter.

Porter gave both of those fighters a really tough time, and fought well enough to deserve decisions against both of them. But against Thurman, Diaz will be dealing with a legit welterweight with size and power that is going to make things tough on Diaz.

“I respect Julio Diaz and I will not underestimate him,” Thurman said. “He knows that this may be his last shot, and I expect the best from him, but I’ll be the one leaving with the victory.”

It would be a major upset if Thurman were to lose to Diaz. He would have to run into something big from him the way that Khan kept running into left hooks from Diaz one after another and getting stunned. Diaz dropped Khan and him ready to go at one point. Thurman was hurt in his last fight against Jesus Soto Karass when he stopped and tried to slug with him.

Thurman wisely got on his bike and chose to box Soto Karass until stopping him in the 9th round last December in a mostly one-sided fight. Diaz has the power and the skills to give Thurman problems if he’s able to land his shots, but it’s going to be difficult for him due to Thurman’s power and defensive style of fighting.

Thurman needs to win this fight in order to put himself in position to get a shot at the WBA welterweight title. Marcos Maidana recently won the WBA welterweight title with a 12 round decision win over Adrien Broner last December. But instead of facing Thurman, Maidana is fighting a unification bout against WBC welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather Jr.

For Thurman, that’s perhaps the worst thing that could happen because Mayweather won’t defend the WBA title against him. He’ll sit on the title for over a year until he retires in late 2015 without facing Thurman. The best thing that Thurman can hope for is that Mayweather vacates the belt after receiving pressure from the World Boxing Association. But that’s not going to happen. The WBA will be more than happy to have Mayweather as their WBA champion due to the huge sanctioning fees they can get from having him as their champion.

Read more at Keith Thurman: I’ll be victorious over Julio Diaz

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