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[heyzel]

Arum: Canelo doesn’t have the stamina to beat Mayweather
June 11th, 2013 | Post Comment

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Mayweather Alvarez Mayweather vs. Alvarez Bob Arum saul alvarez floyd mayweather jr By Dan Ambrose: Top Rank promoter Bob Arum feels that WBA/WBC junior middleweight champion Saul “Canelo” Alvarez (42-0-1, 30 KO’s) has very little chance of beating Floyd Mayweather Jr. (44-0, 26 KO’s) on September 14th. Arum feels that the 22-year-old Canelo lacks the stamina, hand speed and experience to defeat the 36-year-old Mayweather.

Arum saw Canelo’s fight with Austin Trout last April and noticed how Canelo had gassed out in that fight and was there for the taking by Trout in their open scoring bout at the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas. Arum feels that Trout would have won the fight had he been busier in the last half of the fight when Canelo was badly faded and throwing very little back.

Speaking with esnewsreporting.com, Arum said “Canelo doesn’t have the speed or the stamina to cope with Mayweather…the problem is Canelo, and a lot of young fighters, don’t have the stamina; they run out of gas. That’s what happened to him in the Austin Trout fight…I think Mayweather will decision or stop him.”

I agree with Arum here. Canelo doesn’t have the stamina. We saw that clearly in his controversial win over Trout where Canelo was gassed by the midway point of the fight; we saw that in Canelo gassing out against Matthew Hatton and Shane Mosley, both of which were 12 round fights. Canelo had to fight at a slow pace and he looked limited in both fights, like a smaller, less conditioned version of Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.

That’s who Canelo reminds me of with his fighting style and the fact that he tends to fight guys that are a lot lighter than him. Chavez Jr. fights a lot of guys who are lighter than him as well. However, Chavez Jr. has much better stamina than Canelo and he doesn’t fade in his fights like Canelo. I think Chavez Jr. is the better fighter but at a division above Canelo at 160.

When Canelo turns red-faced and tired by the 6th or 7th rounds against Mayweather, he’s going to be in a lot of trouble because Mayweather won’t back off and let Canelo fight at a slow pace so that he can breathers. Additionally, the fight won’t have open scoring, so even if there are a couple of judges that are giving Canelo every round like in the Trout fight, Canelo won’t see the scores and he won’t be able to back off and take more rest breaks. He won’t know the scoring in this fight and he’s going to be forced to fight hard and I think he’s not going to be capable of doing that without tiring out and getting dominated by Mayweather.

 

[heyzel]

Arum: Canelo doesn’t have the stamina to beat Mayweather
June 11th, 2013 | Post Comment

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Mayweather Alvarez Mayweather vs. Alvarez Bob Arum saul alvarez floyd mayweather jr By Dan Ambrose: Top Rank promoter Bob Arum feels that WBA/WBC junior middleweight champion Saul “Canelo” Alvarez (42-0-1, 30 KO’s) has very little chance of beating Floyd Mayweather Jr. (44-0, 26 KO’s) on September 14th. Arum feels that the 22-year-old Canelo lacks the stamina, hand speed and experience to defeat the 36-year-old Mayweather.

Arum saw Canelo’s fight with Austin Trout last April and noticed how Canelo had gassed out in that fight and was there for the taking by Trout in their open scoring bout at the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas. Arum feels that Trout would have won the fight had he been busier in the last half of the fight when Canelo was badly faded and throwing very little back.

Speaking with esnewsreporting.com, Arum said “Canelo doesn’t have the speed or the stamina to cope with Mayweather…the problem is Canelo, and a lot of young fighters, don’t have the stamina; they run out of gas. That’s what happened to him in the Austin Trout fight…I think Mayweather will decision or stop him.”

I agree with Arum here. Canelo doesn’t have the stamina. We saw that clearly in his controversial win over Trout where Canelo was gassed by the midway point of the fight; we saw that in Canelo gassing out against Matthew Hatton and Shane Mosley, both of which were 12 round fights. Canelo had to fight at a slow pace and he looked limited in both fights, like a smaller, less conditioned version of Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.

That’s who Canelo reminds me of with his fighting style and the fact that he tends to fight guys that are a lot lighter than him. Chavez Jr. fights a lot of guys who are lighter than him as well. However, Chavez Jr. has much better stamina than Canelo and he doesn’t fade in his fights like Canelo. I think Chavez Jr. is the better fighter but at a division above Canelo at 160.

When Canelo turns red-faced and tired by the 6th or 7th rounds against Mayweather, he’s going to be in a lot of trouble because Mayweather won’t back off and let Canelo fight at a slow pace so that he can breathers. Additionally, the fight won’t have open scoring, so even if there are a couple of judges that are giving Canelo every round like in the Trout fight, Canelo won’t see the scores and he won’t be able to back off and take more rest breaks. He won’t know the scoring in this fight and he’s going to be forced to fight hard and I think he’s not going to be capable of doing that without tiring out and getting dominated by Mayweather.

 

[heyzel]

Josesito Lopez needs a few easy fights to rest from his beatings
June 10th, 2013 | Post Comment


Maidana Lopez Maidana vs. Lopez marcos rene maidana josesito lopez By Dan Ambrose: After having faced mostly soft opposition his entire career before 2012, Joesito Lopez (30-6, 18 KO’s) has run through a gauntlet in his last three fights in facing Victor Ortiz, Saul “Canelo” Alvarez and Marcos Maidana. Lopez lost two of those three fights to Canelo and Maidana and probably got lucky that Victor Ortiz suffered a broken jaw because things were looking bleak for Lopez with him virtually needing either a knockout or to seep the remaining rounds to get the victory.

Last Saturday night, Lopez was really pounded by Marcos Maidana in losing by a 6th round TKO in Carson, California. Although Lopez gave Maidana huge problems through four rounds, he couldn’t handle Maidana’s power once it got past the 4th and he ended up taking some vicious shots in the 5th and 6th rounds before the referee mercifully stopped the fight in the 6th during an especially vicious all-out attack by Maidana.

After the fight, Lopez said he wanted to take a couple of weeks off before getting back in training for what he hopes will be another big fight. I think Lopez’s promoter needs to back him off from the tough fights for now so that Lopez can get a break and build up a few confidence building victories. Right now, Lopez is heading for early journeyman if they keep putting him in with tough guys like Maidana, Canelo and Ortiz.

Lopez has lost his last two fights, and I think it’ll get worse before it gets better for him if he keeps getting matched tough. After a certain point in time it’s not interesting to have an opponent that is getting beaten when he steps up. That’s why Lopez needs to drop down a level and start fighting the softer opponents like the ones that be built his winning resume on.

Lopez said that he has no plans on moving back down to the 140 lb. division. That’s too bad because that’s the only place where he has any hope of having an impact. He’s not strong enough to do anything at welterweight and if he stays in this division he’s going to end up a journeyman quick. He needs to move back down and challenge the likes of Lamont Peterson, Danny Garcia and Lucas Matthysse.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Stamina. All this talk about his stamina.
People swear his game plan is to go in there and win a decision by out boxing Floyd.
He's going in there to break his body and head. Consider it a 10rd fight and it's a new game.

Whatever he has in the 11th and 12th is what he has. All the stamina in the world won't allow you to outbox or hurt Floyd in the last two. So just leave it alone and consider it 10-9 on both.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Despite Showtime having the better card ratings were low.


According to Neilsen, Sat's @HBOboxing card had 1.024M viewers for Dawson-Stevenson & 947K for Gamboa-Perez, which crushed @SHOsports (more)

Dan Rafael


Cards went head-to-head w/ @SHOsports drawing 594K for Maidana-Lopez main event, 471K for Lara-Angulo and 207K for Charlo-Hopkins #boxing

 

[Swayze]

i like Bernstein n Malignaggi calling the fights for showtime but they need to get rid of that other guy i forgot his name

 

[CZAR]

While obviously the two better fights were on SHOWTIME, I think Dawson was the biggest draw along with Gamboa and thats why it had more viewers. Also HBO is the better network which helps as well. Got Em!!

 

[HERESY]

I viewed the HBO fight because I get free HBO.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Lopez vs Maidana was a guaranteed banger, ratings should have been better imo. Showtime doing a poor job promoting or something, half a mil is very low numbers. And its not like they were going against a huge name, Dawson isn't really a draw.

Reason why this is relivant is if this trend continues it could mean Golden Boy eventually coming back to HBO (which is good for everyone ). This and Sports Illustrated reporting that Showtime lost $12 million in the Mayweather Guerrero fight could be signs pointing in that direction. Showtime should obviously make that money back and then some with Floyd vs Canelo ppv, but the other cards need to be successful too.

 

[WYNO707X4]

Mayweather fights are hot stinky garbage and it sells.dont mean shit just boxing politics

 

[battle619]

The problem I think is that all the protected fighters are under GBP, including Canelo. They could have had Broner and canelo fight legit fighters last year but they were too busy protecting them. I think Broners last fight didn't garner much attention, and that was on HBO. This last main event was stopped early, while TR really waits for a legit KO to occur. It's what the fans and fighters want, but GBP is too over protective with their main fighters. i don't think it's how many households have HBO or sho cuz you can order those channels for one day, it's the reputation the promoters have

 

[heyzel]

Broner Has A Little Punk In Him... Says Paulie Malignaggi


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dBMIqHNhMk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[heyzel]

Mike Alvarado-zab Judah Clash In Play For The Fall


By Mike Coppinger

BoxingScene.com has been advised by a source familiar with the negotiations that a junior welterweight title fight between Mike Alvarado and Zab Judah is in play for October or November in Denver on HBO. The source spoke on the condition of anonymity, as they are not yet free to talk on the subject. RingTV's Mark Ortega was first to report the possibility of the fight.

Alvarado (34-1, 23 KOs) is recovering from surgery to repair a torn tendon in the middle finger of his left hand, so he can't fight any sooner than the fall.

Judah (42-8, 29 KOs) is coming off a spirited loss to Danny Garcia in April, and sources say that Judah would like to return "much sooner" than October or November, which is the hold-up in a deal getting done.

 

[heyzel]

Malignaggi: Broner’s going to cry at the end our fight
June 12th, 2013 | Post Comment


By Scott Gilfoid: WBA welterweight champion Paulie Malignaggi (32-4, 7 KO’s) sees his opponent Adrien Broner (26-0, 22 KO’s) breaking down and blubbering and blaming his management after he beats him on June 22nd at the Barclays Center, in Brooklyn, New York. Malignaggi gives Broner credit for being a talented fighter, but he doesn’t think his talent will travel up two divisions to beat him.

Malignaggi said to RingTV “He’s [Broner] going to be very mad at his camp for making this fight…he’s going to cry and he’s going to get made at his people at the end of the fight.”

I think Malignaggi is starting to have some serious delusions about his own skills. He’s probably not going to win this fight or even come close to winning it because he’s coming into it without the skills necessary to get the victory.

The power just isn’t there for Malignaggi, and he’s certainly not going to jab Broner into submission like he did with Vyacheslav Senchenko. That’s not going to happen. Broner is a lot better than Senchenko, and he can do a lot of different things in terms of fighting on the inside, throwing to the body and defending.

Senchenko didn’t have those options going for him when he lost to Malignaggi by a 9th round TKO in April of last year. Malignaggi won’t be able to beat Broner by merely jabbing him and trying to not get hit in return. Broner will be all over Malignaggi, nailing him in the head and body and making him miserable.

In Broner’s last fight against Gavin Rees last February, Broner looked especially powerful in taking out a fighter who usually has a good chin. Rees never stood a chance in that fight and ended up taking a beating before the referee stopped the fight.

In contract, Malignaggi struggled badly in his last fight in barely beating Pablo Cesar Cano by a 12 round split decision in October of last year.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

This isn't news but history I found interesting



Previous to the 1880s it would be a wasted effort to attempt to get a grasp on boxings weight divisions. If there was a 40lb+ gap between contenders, which was not at all uncommon, it was considered a heavyweight fight.

Pre 1880s there were really only two divisions: bantam – up to 112 lbs, and heavyweight – anything over 154 lbs. What about in between? A gray area to say the least where weight didn’t really seem to matter except of course to the promoters who were trying to position their fighter at a better weight to win at.

The weight strategy played over a century ago wasn’t very much different after the adoption of recognized weight classes and it even continued to todays promoters and pugilists, as “catch-weights” seem to be back in style again (or perhaps I should say never went out of style).

It was not until 1888 that weight classes could be seen after boxinguniversally adopted the Queensbury rules. Under these rules the recognized weight classes were: bantam, feather, lightweight, welterweight, middleweight and heavyweight.

At this time the champion could stipulate the the weight limit. Thus “catch-weights” could first be seen, and managers really earned their paychecks from trying to position the weights of their champions to give the best advantage.

Most notorious for it was non other than Tom O’Rourke. When managing his featherweight champion George Dixon one can see the title on the line anywhere from 114lbs to 126lbs depending on opponent.

Another example of O’Rourkes fine managing skills would be his welterweightchampion Joe (Barbados) Walcott who even managed to fight above the welter limited with the title on the line.

Promoters, managers, referees, trainers, and fighters eventually revolted against these practices and brought about definite weight classes that were enforced around 1890 with Lord Lonsdale leading the way.

Eventually Lonsdale gave out title belts made by his National Sporting Club that were 22 karat gold and the Lonsdale brand can still be seen in the ring today whether its belts, clothing, or fight gear.

The 1890 weight classes were recognized as:

Paperweight – up to 95lbs
Bantamweight – up to 112lbs
Featherweight – up to 118lbs
Lightweight – up to 132lbs
Welterweight – up to 144lbs
Middleweight – up to 154lbs
Heavyweight – over 154lbs

After these weight classes were established they were still frequently tinkered with by promoters and managers, albeit typically only by a couple pounds.

It was not until 1903 that boxing saw its first light heavyweight classestablished when Lou Housman, manager of Jack Root, figured his man was too small to compete with top heavyweights seeing as he was typically scaling in the 160s.

Boxing weight classes were then further being slightly distorted here and there until 1910 when the British collaborated with Americans to make a universal set of weight classes that would not be altered anymore.

After careful debates and consideration on a list of 20 weight classes submitted by both sides, the following were adopted throughout the boxing world:

Paperweight – up to 105 lbs
Flyweight – up to 112lbs
Bantamweight – up to 116lbs
Featherweight – up to 122lbs
Lightweight – up to 133lbs
Welterweight – up to 142lbs
Middleweight – up to 154lbs
Light Heavyweight – up to 165lbs
Heavyweight – over 165lbs

Although times have changed a bit, as sports science/nutrition has allowed for larger athletes, the original inception of the weight classes was quite a process to undertake.

The avid boxing fan can take a look at the universally accepted weight classes the British and Americans hashed out and get a general understanding of where todays limits came from, even though they were of course further changed afterwards.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

This isn't news but history I found interesting



Previous to the 1880s it would be a wasted effort to attempt to get a grasp on boxings weight divisions. If there was a 40lb+ gap between contenders, which was not at all uncommon, it was considered a heavyweight fight.

Pre 1880s there were really only two divisions: bantam – up to 112 lbs, and heavyweight – anything over 154 lbs. What about in between? A gray area to say the least where weight didn’t really seem to matter except of course to the promoters who were trying to position their fighter at a better weight to win at.

The weight strategy played over a century ago wasn’t very much different after the adoption of recognized weight classes and it even continued to todays promoters and pugilists, as “catch-weights” seem to be back in style again (or perhaps I should say never went out of style).

It was not until 1888 that weight classes could be seen after boxinguniversally adopted the Queensbury rules. Under these rules the recognized weight classes were: bantam, feather, lightweight, welterweight, middleweight and heavyweight.

At this time the champion could stipulate the the weight limit. Thus “catch-weights” could first be seen, and managers really earned their paychecks from trying to position the weights of their champions to give the best advantage.

Most notorious for it was non other than Tom O’Rourke. When managing his featherweight champion George Dixon one can see the title on the line anywhere from 114lbs to 126lbs depending on opponent.

Another example of O’Rourkes fine managing skills would be his welterweightchampion Joe (Barbados) Walcott who even managed to fight above the welter limited with the title on the line.

Promoters, managers, referees, trainers, and fighters eventually revolted against these practices and brought about definite weight classes that were enforced around 1890 with Lord Lonsdale leading the way.

Eventually Lonsdale gave out title belts made by his National Sporting Club that were 22 karat gold and the Lonsdale brand can still be seen in the ring today whether its belts, clothing, or fight gear.

The 1890 weight classes were recognized as:

Paperweight – up to 95lbs
Bantamweight – up to 112lbs
Featherweight – up to 118lbs
Lightweight – up to 132lbs
Welterweight – up to 144lbs
Middleweight – up to 154lbs
Heavyweight – over 154lbs

After these weight classes were established they were still frequently tinkered with by promoters and managers, albeit typically only by a couple pounds.

It was not until 1903 that boxing saw its first light heavyweight classestablished when Lou Housman, manager of Jack Root, figured his man was too small to compete with top heavyweights seeing as he was typically scaling in the 160s.

Boxing weight classes were then further being slightly distorted here and there until 1910 when the British collaborated with Americans to make a universal set of weight classes that would not be altered anymore.

After careful debates and consideration on a list of 20 weight classes submitted by both sides, the following were adopted throughout the boxing world:

Paperweight – up to 105 lbs
Flyweight – up to 112lbs
Bantamweight – up to 116lbs
Featherweight – up to 122lbs
Lightweight – up to 133lbs
Welterweight – up to 142lbs
Middleweight – up to 154lbs
Light Heavyweight – up to 165lbs
Heavyweight – over 165lbs

Although times have changed a bit, as sports science/nutrition has allowed for larger athletes, the original inception of the weight classes was quite a process to undertake.

The avid boxing fan can take a look at the universally accepted weight classes the British and Americans hashed out and get a general understanding of where todays limits came from, even though they were of course further changed afterwards.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Bernard Hopkins vs Mario Kart or Murat whatever the fuck his name is for July is CANCELED due to VISA problems.

Methinks bhop paid some step aside money to fight Stevenson in September. Lineal title, unification bout. It's gonna happen again.

 

[RM211]

Riddick Bowe punished in MMA debut

pretty sad that it's come to this for bowe...





PATTAYA, Thailand -- Wincing in pain and clutching his shins, Riddick Bowe ended his debut in Thai kickboxing with a thud in the second round.


Former world heavyweight champion Riddick Bowe (left) took a big beating from Russian Levgen Golovin in his Mixed Martial Arts debut in Thailand.
The 45-year-old former world heavyweight boxing champion came to a rude awakening on Friday that Muay Thai is just as punishing.

"It's much harder than boxing," Bowe said after limping out of the ring.

Bowe took a big beating from his 30-year-old Russian opponent Levgen Golovin, who assaulted the former champion with repeated kicks to the shins.

Bowe lost his balance and fell five times before the bout was ended by technical knockout after his last fall.

"You can recover from a head shot or a body shot, but when you get kicked in the leg it lasts a long time," he said. "My leg is still hurting. I don't know how long it's been -- 15 minutes?"

Bowe's last boxing match was in 2008. He says he decided to try Muay Thai because he was bored with retirement and needs the cash.

He made $150,000 from Friday's fight, organized by Thai promoters trying to increase the international appeal of Thailand's national sport. The bout was held at an outdoor ring set up beside the beach in Pattaya, a Thai town best known for its seaside red-light district.

Bowe beat Evander Holyfield in 1992 to become the undisputed world heavyweight champion.

Now weighing 300 pounds, Bowe was heavy and slow and barely landed a punch in Friday's fight.

Despite the pain in his legs, Bowe smiled for the cameras after the fight and mustered some optimism.

"I had a lot of fun. I'm going to do it again. Next time it's going to be different," he said. "I'll be back soon."

Bowe's opponent shook his head in disbelief when told the aging boxer isn't giving up on Muay Thai.

"It would be a big mistake. It's not for him," Golovin said. "He's too slow and a bit too old."

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I seen the pictures of that shit. Those people should be ashamed of themselves putting the fight together. Bowe has brain damage, its sad, he's a fat ass that can hardly put a coherent sentence together. Least he got some decent money i guess.and only tool damage to his shins.

 

[RM211]

yea $150,000 is pretty good for a 45 yr old 300 pound punching bag(or kiccing bag for this matter)