Boxing News Thread

[2-0-Sixx]

that's an embarrassing post man, just because he's mexican you're cool with him being protected and have big fights handed to him without earning it? that's what's wrong with boxing and you support shit like that smh.

Pac & Floyd earned their top spots man. Do you know how they became champions? By BEATING champions. Canelo was GIVEN a vacant title by fighting a guy (matthew hatton) who wasn't even in the division! Canelo has never earned a single thing, he hasn't beat a top fighter, period. And he should be rewarded with a mega payday with Floyd as a result? Hell no.

Let's look at Pac & Floyd shall we:

Pac won his first title by traveling to Thailand and beating the WBC Flyweight champion in Chatchai Sasakul (33-1) who had 5 title defenses prior to losing to Pac.

Floyd won his first title by beating the WBC champion in Genaro Hernandez (38-1) who had 4 title defenses before losing to Floyd.

Fast forward some years and numerous weight classes and titles and Pac went up in weight and beat Marco Antonio Barrera, then fought Marquez & Morales, three hall of famers and three of the best fighters in the game at the time. Of course he goes up higher and beats lineal champion at 140 in Ricky Hatton and stops Miguel Cotto at welterweight, etc.

Floyd likewise beats top guys like Angel Manfredy, undefeated Diego Corrales, Castillo, DeMarcus Corley, Judah, Baldimor, Oscar, Hatton, mosley etc.

Their careers, resumes, challenges and risks taken are night and day with Canelo. You can try to use canelo's age as an excuse (he'll be 22 in a month or so) but Floyd & Pac took bigger challenges and fought champions before they were 21 years old (Pac won his first World Title at age 20, Floyd won his first world title at 21). Canelo has been a pro for 7 years and has 41 fights and still hasn't fought a champion. No excuse for that, none.

 

[IronLungs420]

Pacquiao = Protected and on roids

give Canelo roids and I'll put him up against Pac and Floyd on back to back weekends.

Floyd was protected also, and lol @ coked up Oscar, Hatton?? Really, Judah another overrated boxer. Also I'm not shitting on floyd i respect floyd but I'm not blind that he's been "carefully managed".

LOL @ bringing up Floyds and Pacroids resumes, Canelo still has 9 years of boxing left in him, plenty of time to fight elite fighters. At this moment he's just working his way to the big pay day vs Floyd.

what do you have against Golden Boy/Canelo? I swear any chance you get you try and discredit what they're doing. I get it, you are a fan of Top Rank and pacquaio. No need to shit on everything not associated with them.

 

[IronLungs420]

besides you act like Canelo is ducking people, He has agreed to Williams, Ortiz, and Kirkland. All legit contenders they just happen to fall through and never happened. No need to rush and put yourself at risk last minute. I'm not going to lose any sleep over Canelo not fighting Lara in 2012. He can fight any of those guys you just mentioned in late 2013 and it wouldn't really make a difference to me. As for him not fightint Floyd, well then that would be a shame, because I know a grip of people want to see that, First pac man acts like a ho and refuses to fight so we don't get to see Manny vs Floyd, now if I don't get to see Floyd vs Canelo i will be disapointed as a boxing fan. Two big fights that never went down, thats a damn shame. Also sad that you brought up Floyd's and Manny's resume yet something is missing in each one, both those dumb fucks never fought each other. How the fuck does that happen. How do you become the fighter of the decade yet you never beat the undefeated p4p #1 fighter in the world smh.

 

[CZAR]

Ricardo Mayorga has said on Nicaraguan TV that he is set to fight Canelo and is flying to the states to sign the contract on Tuesday....

What a joke if true!!!

And the WBC, who denied Austin Trout as a challenger, who are making Lara/Kirkland/Vanes fight 50 "title eliminator" fights to get a crack at Canelo...if they sanction this fight, what an absolute disgrace. How many title eliminator fights has Mayorga won again? Oh yeah, none. That's right Mayorga hasn't won a fight at 154 since 2005. lmao

Man just when I was given Canelo and his camp props for not ducking, now this happens?? Its one thing to duck cats like Cotto, but to duck cats like Trout, K9 etc.....is just wack! Let Canelo prove what he's got. Hopw do u duck those guys who havnt really done anything in the sport? Thats crazy. This fight is str8 booboo! Got Em!!

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Pacquiao = Protected and on roids

give Canelo roids and I'll put him up against Pac and Floyd on back to back weekends.

smh. I guess you have nothing else to say cuz you know I'm right.

Floyd was protected also, and lol @ coked up Oscar, Hatton?? Really, Judah another overrated boxer. Also I'm not shitting on floyd i respect floyd but I'm not blind that he's been "carefully managed".

Oscar, Hatton & Judah were ALL CHAMPIONS. How is that hard to understand? Floyd beat Champions. Pacquiao beat Champions. Canelo hasn't even fought a champion or a top ranked fighter. Just fight a top 10 fighter, is that asking something crazy?

LOL @ bringing up Floyds and Pacroids resumes, Canelo still has 9 years of boxing left in him, plenty of time to fight elite fighters. At this moment he's just working his way to the big pay day vs Floyd.

The point is he shouldn't get a shot at Floyd without earning it.

what do you have against Golden Boy/Canelo? I swear any chance you get you try and discredit what they're doing. I get it, you are a fan of Top Rank and pacquaio. No need to shit on everything not associated with them.

What? You're a fool. I'm a fan of Canelo, I've been talking about him on this forum probably before you even knew who he was. What I'm against is the WBC and other ranking bodies giving free handouts and unfairly treating worthy opponents who have earned their top spots treated like shit. In this case you have Lara, Vanes, Molina, Kirkland (and Angulo who's at a detention center currently) who the WBC have made fight "WBC eliminator fights" for about 3 years now, all promising a shot at the title and yet they never give the winners a chance and instead looks like they'll sanction Mayorga who hasn't won a fight at 154 since 2005. Prior they sanctioned Shane Mosley who hadn't won a fight since 2009, they sanctioned Kermit Cintron who just lost and Alfonzo Gomez (nothing needs to be said there!) all the while blocking the LEGIT top contenders a chance to fight for the title shot they earned. That is simply corruption and that is what I oppose. I despise the WBC with a passion, they are a cancer to the sport.

If you notice I have never talked shit about Canelo. It's not his fault the WBC and his promoters are lining up shit fights for him. He's doing his job which is to box and that's all I ask of him. That doesn't mean I'm not going to point out bullshit when I see it.

I have no allegiance to any promotional origination, that is just retarded. They are all snakes. If we compare Top Rank to Golden Boy, GB typically puts on better cards - more bang for the buck and love that about them. Top Rank really doesn't do that too often.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Man just when I was given Canelo and his camp props for not ducking, now this happens?? Its one thing to duck cats like Cotto, but to duck cats like Trout, K9 etc.....is just wack! Let Canelo prove what he's got. Hopw do u duck those guys who havnt really done anything in the sport? Thats crazy. This fight is str8 booboo! Got Em!!

that's what I'm saying Canelo would easily beat K9. Trout I can understand a bit cuz he's a bit tricky and might be a boring fight but at least it's a unification bout, as Trout is the WBA champion. Now the WBC did block Trout, they told Canelo/Golden Boy they wouldn't sanction it so it's not their fault anyway when it comes to Trout, but K9, Vanes, Lara, Molina...all these guys are available.

 

[IronLungs420]

The point is he shouldn't get a shot at Floyd without earning it.

The point is what have all those random fighters you named done to earn a fight vs canelo?? It's not just about your resume, Canelo has to watch after himself. Of course all those guys want to fight Canelo, they have nothing to lose. If they lose they go back to being in the middle of the pack like they have always been, if they win well they got the biggest pay day of their career and beat the best up incoming middle weight who happens to be undefeated. Golden Boy would be stupid to let those chumps try and make a name off of him. Their not on Canelos level, so they can take a backseat and wait patiently for their name to be called. Canelo has nothing to gain from beating the fighters you mentioned, lose-lose situation for him.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

The point is what have all those random fighters you named done to earn a fight vs canelo??

Are you being serious or are you trolling?

All of the fighters I mentioned are ranked in the top 10 at 154. That alone is enough.

Lara beat Paul Williams and is ranked between #1 and #3 in the division, depending on the organization.

Vanes has fought and won 2 or 3 "title eliminator fights" for the WBC belt.

Kirkland has won 2 "title eliminator fights" for the WBC belt.

Trout is the WBA champion.

K9 is the IBF champion.

The whole idea of boxing is to unify the belts and become THE undisputed champion of the world.

Mayorga on the otherhand hasn't won a fight at 154 pounds since 2005 and isn't ranked in the top 10 (or top 20 or top 30 or top 50!).

It's not just about your resume, Canelo has to watch after himself. Of course all those guys want to fight Canelo, they have nothing to lose. If they lose they go back to being in the middle of the pack like they have always been, if they win well they got the biggest pay day of their career and beat the best up incoming middle weight who happens to be undefeated. Golden Boy would be stupid to let those chumps try and make a name off of him. Their not on Canelos level, so they can take a backseat and wait patiently for their name to be called. Canelo has nothing to gain from beating the fighters you mentioned, lose-lose situation for him.

Holy shit you're delusional. Canelo gains credibility, which is very important. Look at Chavez jr. for example. People thought he was a joke fighting all these bums but the guy goes on and fights some pretty good fights beating top ranked fighters in Andy Lee & Rubio and of course signs to fight Sergio Martinez and people have been forced to recognize Chavez as a solid fighter. He's no joke anymore, he's stepped up, beat some quality opponents and stepped up huge in Martinez. He's legit now. Canelo, well not so much yet. People are getting tired of fighting these washed up guys man, people are tired of this shit.

Besides all that, it's about what is right. If you're a champion, you're supposed to fight the #1 contender and if that person is not available, the #2 and so on. You don't fight guys who aren't even ranked in the division. A respectable organization would strip the belt away for fighting such fights. Not the WBC though cuz they get a % of the purse, it's all about the money so they'd rather sanction a bout with a guy who isn't even ranked (mayorga) rather than enforce their own rules so they can make more money, and that my friend is called corruption. If you're a fan of boxing there is no way to logically defend that, none. What's right is right and what's wrong is wrong.

 

[HERESY]

The point is what have all those random fighters you named done to earn a fight vs canelo??

Random? What have they done? Trout is undefeated, Lara has one loss which was a miscarriage of justice, Vanes is undefeated. I wouldn't toss Molina in the mix and K9 is questionable. By beating the undefeated guys, he can say he gave them their first losses (and in Laras case his only REAL loss if they fought and he beat them) and that he fought guys coming off wins.

ETA: Even though I said K9 is questionable I was basing it on his record and can see him fighting Canelo because he is a champion. If Canelo were to fight him that would be a feather in his cap.

 

[IronLungs420]

My point is Canelo should have a tune up fight this year then fight Mayweather early next year. Wouldn't him fighting Mayweather prove he's willing to put it all on the line?? All those fighters you mentioned can wait until late 2013, they aren't going anywhere neither is Canelo. Why make a mistake like Ortiz did against josesito, Ortiz is obviously the better fighter but I believe it's hard for a fighter to get ready for a fight when he sees the big picture up ahead. Ortiz was 100% focused on Canelo and that fucked him over. Canelo imo has Mayweather and only May on his mind. Make Canelo vs Floyd happen first, then make Canelo vs all those fighters mentioned above happen. I could care less if Canelo fights Lara in 2012 or 2013 as long as he fights Mayweather early next year. After that Canelo can start cleaning up the rest of the divison if he beats Floyd. He has to fight floyd now, it's not like floyd is going to be around for to much longer. Its early next year or never for Canelo.

Also of course i would like to see Canelo shut up that faggot Lara or Trout, but if it doesn't happen this year I don't really care. I know those fights will eventually happen. I'm not saying I want Canelo to only fight bums and become Chavez JR 2.0. I;m just saying he has a golden opportunity that he and his team shouldn't fuck off for trying to please a few fans.

 

[HERESY]

lol. Not one post about boxing and you still whinning about your E-feelings. All of the boxing news posted in this thread and all you want to do is comment about Manny just like I always say about you. Now look who really go exposed?? Again you never post anything about boxing other then Manny nuthugging or Mayweather hating. Now do your dumb ass understand what I meant a week ago?? Now again I've exposed you as a Manny nuthugger now post some boxing news and stop showing your E-feelings.

This guy is crazy. pigface, aside from yourself you're the only one who cares about what you say. There is a shitload of boxing news in this thread, you are correct and if you were to read the fuckin thread you'll see that I made comments and talked about shit other than Floyd and Pac. You're the one who keeps talking about Manny. Deep down you WANT Manny. Then you say "you never post anything about boxing other then Manny nuthugging or Mayweather hating" which is 100% false." When we talk about the throwback guys you're NEVER around. You're a Johnny Come Lately and only talk about fighters from the past decade. But when it comes to those throwbacks, you don't know shit because you're Johnny but you'll see me in those topics, shitface. Use your search engine and you'll see it hoe.

And the only thing you do is complain and when a fight does happen, you do some gay ass commentary like this:

"Johnson has incredible speed, Mitchel has a good jab that can off set that speed, this will be a great day of boxing." LOL! Thats ALL you do. You sound like a fuckin broke down commentator.Just shut the fuck up.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

his last three fights were tune ups.

you're acting like mayweather vs Canelo is a done deal (which was the case with Ortiz). Floyd hasn't mentioned a word about his future plans, and Roger Mayweather, if we believe him, says floyd wants Sergio Martinez next. what evidence is there that floyd would fight Canelo? hell even golden boy themselves said after the mosley fight Canelo isn't ready for floyd. why nit challenge himself against a solid opponent and find out if he is ready? what service does it do for Canelo fighting another washed up fighter? that doesn't help hum progress as a fighter.

 

[HERESY]

My point is Canelo should have a tune up fight this year then fight Mayweather early next year. Wouldn't him fighting Mayweather prove he's willing to put it all on the line?? All those fighters you mentioned can wait until late 2013, they aren't going anywhere neither is Canelo. Why make a mistake like Ortiz did against josesito, Ortiz is obviously the better fighter but I believe it's hard for a fighter to get ready for a fight when he sees the big picture up ahead. Ortiz was 100% focused on Canelo and that fucked him over. Canelo imo has Mayweather and only May on his mind. Make Canelo vs Floyd happen first, then make Canelo vs all those fighters mentioned above happen. I could care less if Canelo fights Lara in 2012 or 2013 as long as he fights Mayweather early next year. After that Canelo can start cleaning up the rest of the divison if he beats Floyd. He has to fight floyd now, it's not like floyd is going to be around for to much longer. Its early next year or never for Canelo.

Also of course i would like to see Canelo shut up that faggot Lara or Trout, but if it doesn't happen this year I don't really care. I know those fights will eventually happen. I'm not saying I want Canelo to only fight bums and become Chavez JR 2.0. I;m just saying he has a golden opportunity that he and his team shouldn't fuck off for trying to please a few fans.

So what you're saying is they should be cautious in who he fights and really think about plannign his career? If so, that is understandable. The problem is, the world is not going to stop and wait for Canelo to fight Floyd, which imho, is not the fight Floyd should take. Floyd should take on Martinez first and then if he wants to fight Canelo (or Khan) so be it. Unless the guys 206 mentioned get knocked into oblivion or never fight again, they are going to be considered good opponents.

ETA: And how many tune up fights does this guy need? Was Mosley not a tune up fight? I mean he fuckin RETIRED after the fight with Canelo.

 

[IronLungs420]

So what you're saying is they should be cautious in who he fights and really think about plannign his career? If so, that is understandable. The problem is, the world is not going to stop and wait for Canelo to fight Floyd, which imho, is not the fight Floyd should take. Floyd should take on Martinez first and then if he wants to fight Canelo (or Khan) so be it. Unless the guys 206 mentioned get knocked into oblivion or never fight again, they are going to be considered good opponents.

ETA: And how many tune up fights does this guy need? Was Mosley not a tune up fight? I mean he fuckin RETIRED after the fight with Canelo.

Mosley was not a tune up fight imo, I wasn't 100% sure Canelo was going to win, Canelo got tested in that fight especially with the cut he received. Mayorga is a tune up fight because i could bet my house on Canelo. No way in hell that scrub mayorga beats Canelo, I just want Canelo to get a match because I don't want him to suffer from ring rust. A whole year without a fight is to long, so yeah I want Golden Boy to be cautious with Canelo. No need to force a fight, they already tried multiple opponents and it just wasn't meant to be. Also if it was up to me I would want Canelo to fight floyd in 2-3 years when Canelo is in his prime, but that's not possible since Floyd will be done by then. So Canelo has to do it up now. He's going to have to grow up in the ring vs Mayweather. Tough task but I've seen enough from Canelo to think he has a chance to upset an aging Floyd.

 

[IronLungs420]

his last three fights were tune ups.

you're acting like mayweather vs Canelo is a done deal (which was the case with Ortiz). Floyd hasn't mentioned a word about his future plans, and Roger Mayweather, if we believe him, says floyd wants Sergio Martinez next. what evidence is there that floyd would fight Canelo? hell even golden boy themselves said after the mosley fight Canelo isn't ready for floyd. why nit challenge himself against a solid opponent and find out if he is ready? what service does it do for Canelo fighting another washed up fighter? that doesn't help hum progress as a fighter.

You're fooling yourself if you think Floyd will pass up on fighting Canelo cinco de mayo weekend. Floyd vs Canelo pay day shits on Floyd vs Martinez. Also i think Mayweather knows martinez is the bigger risk, he much rather face Canelo. I had no problem with Canelo fighting Ortiz and Williams because both those fighters have put in a lot of work and have already had big pay days. So it wouldn't be just Canelo selling the fight. Most casual boxing fans who pay for ppv's don't know or give a shit about trout and lara.

 

[HERESY]

Heresy read the bold Steward re-watched the fight and changed his mind from a Manny blowout to a close fight. Did you expose Steward to?? LOL. You are just lame..

I just now saw this. He had it a blow out, watched the fight and STILL had Manny as the winner. What did you do? You watched the fight the first time and said Manny was ROBBED. Then you said Bradley won and THEN you said it was a draw! lol.

Stop man.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I just don't see the logic in directing Canelo's entire career on what floyd may or may not do. There is absolutely no certainty of a Floyd fight, none. Floyd could retire for all we know.

Canelo is a young champion, like you say he has many years left. He's already a pretty big star. Why would he chase someone like floyd like he's a 38 year old Marquez chasing Pacquiao for that one last payday? Makes no sense. If Floyd retired today Canelo is still a star in the future. What he should do is make his own legacy. If the Floyd fight happens, great, if not, so what?

But again, besides all that, I don't see you commentating on the WBC and the bullshit that is going on, which is the real problem here. They are violating their own rules when it comes to Canelo and that again is called corruption. Time to take the fan hat off for a second and look at the bigger picture. What is going on with the WBC is absolutely out of control and we as fans should not support this kind of corruption, it's a disgrace and only further discredits the sport. If Golden Boy wants Canelo fighting Mayorga, Mosley, Cintron & Gomez, hey that's perfectly fine, but Canelo shouldn't be a champion and a belt holder. You can't keep fighting unranked opponents and keep the belt, that's a direct violation of their own rules, you must defend the title against top contenders. That's the whole point of boxing when you're a champion. It's ok to fight a tune up or two here and there but not this many in a row when there are available top ranked fighters (many of which are promoted by the same promoter at that!).

 

[HERESY]

Mosley was not a tune up fight imo, I wasn't 100% sure Canelo was going to win, Canelo got tested in that fight especially with the cut he received.

That was a tuneup fight, bro. Yes, he was tested, more specifically his corner (cut man) was tested but he showed that he could pull through. I'm not taking anything away from his victory but Mosley was done before the fight even happened. Now when Pac fought Mosley, did you say anything about Mosley being over the hill? Did you ever think Pac might be in danger?

Mayorga is a tune up fight because i could bet my house on Canelo. No way in hell that scrub mayorga beats Canelo, I just want Canelo to get a match because I don't want him to suffer from ring rust.

Well, what 206 and I are saying is that a "good match" would be between one of the guys listed. Let me ask you this, right now in his career, does he need the Mayorga fight? No. However, it can be argued that he needs to fight one of the guys listed. They are coming off wins, champs or are undefeated. Beating them, his peers, who are ranked is much more better than beating Mayorga.

A whole year without a fight is to long, so yeah I want Golden Boy to be cautious with Canelo. No need to force a fight, they already tried multiple opponents and it just wasn't meant to be. Also if it was up to me I would want Canelo to fight floyd in 2-3 years when Canelo is in his prime, but that's not possible since Floyd will be done by then. So Canelo has to do it up now. He's going to have to grow up in the ring vs Mayweather. Tough task but I've seen enough from Canelo to think he has a chance to upset an aging Floyd.

Fam, you can't grow in the ring by beating guys who are damn near cab drivers. You grow in the ring by beating the people around you, the people who are being talked about. No one is talking about Mayorga. Mayorga has doen nothing to even warrant a fight with Canelo just like Canelo has done nothing to truly warrant a fight with Floyd. I know you want the fight, and it would be a nice fight to watch, but I thinkFloyd will fight Martinez and hang it up.

I agree with planning the right moves and seizing the momment but fighters need each other. If they don't have each other, there is no boxing, and I think Canelo would be more respected if he fights one of his peers. Now say Chavez beats Martinez and Canelo beats Mayorga. You think people are goign to still argue about who the bigger draw is between the two of them?

 

[IronLungs420]

I just don't see the logic in directing Canelo's entire career on what floyd may or may not do. There is absolutely no certainty of a Floyd fight, none. Floyd could retire for all we know.

Canelo is a young champion, like you say he has many years left. He's already a pretty big star. Why would he chase someone like floyd like he's a 38 year old Marquez chasing Pacquiao for that one last payday? Makes no sense. If Floyd retired today Canelo is still a star in the future. What he should do is make his own legacy. If the Floyd fight happens, great, if not, so what?

But again, besides all that, I don't see you commentating on the WBC and the bullshit that is going on, which is the real problem here. They are violating their own rules when it comes to Canelo and that again is called corruption. Time to take the fan hat off for a second and look at the bigger picture. What is going on with the WBC is absolutely out of control and we as fans should not support this kind of corruption, it's a disgrace and only further discredits the sport. If Golden Boy wants Canelo fighting Mayorga, Mosley, Cintron & Gomez, hey that's perfectly fine, but Canelo shouldn't be a champion and a belt holder. You can't keep fighting unranked opponents and keep the belt, that's a direct violation of their own rules, you must defend the title against top contenders. That's the whole point of boxing when you're a champion. It's ok to fight a tune up or two here and there but not this many in a row when there are available top ranked fighters (many of which are promoted by the same promoter at that!).

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I agree with everything but the reason I want Canelo to Fight Floyd is because His career will sky rocket in the US and world wide. Yeah he's big in Mexico but everyone in the US is still swinging from Mayweather and Pacquiaos nuts, and rightfully so. It's time for Floyd to pass the torch though, just like when Oscar De La hoya passed it onto Manny and Floyd. They beat Oscar when Oscar wasn't Oscar anymore but yet everyone bring up those fights to bolster their resumes like they beat Oscar in his prime. Oscar turned floyd and manny into the big stars they are now. Well not 100% on Oscar but he had a lot to do with it. That's just the way it goes, Oscar did the same when Chavez Sr. passed him the torch, it was no longer prime Chavez he beat but hey he still beat a serviceable Legend. Although i will say Canelo's challenge is tougher then all those fights I mentioned becuase Mayweather can still fight, not at his prime level but he can still fuck shit up and is clearly the p4p best in the world.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

Apply your guys' same logic to everyone not just canelo...same goes for manny, floyd, etc., some people in here seem hypocritical when it comes to criticizing canelo.