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As expected, HBO promoted Peter Nelson, now exec VP HBO Sports. Will run the #boxing program. There will not be a president of the division.
10:51 AM - 1 Dec 2015
Dan Rafael
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If you're Glazkov why fight Wilder for his belt when you can: a) get mandatory vs Fury (& 25% of $) or b) face lesser foe for vacant belt?
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✔ D @danr afaelespn
As expected, HBO promoted Peter Nelson, now exec VP HBO Sports. Will run the #boxing program. There will not be a president of the division.
10:51 AM - 1 Dec 2015
Dan Rafael
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If you're Glazkov why fight Wilder for his belt when you can: a) get mandatory vs Fury (& 25% of $) or b) face lesser foe for vacant belt?
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On December 2nd, 2000, IBF light middleweight champion Fernando Vargas, from Oxnard, California, met WBA light middleweight champion Felix Trinidad, from San Juan, Puerto, at the Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada. Vargas was undefeated at 20-0 and taking a big step up in class. Trinidad was also undefeated at 38-0 and a formidable challenge for the young Californian
That's such fucking bullshit. They know if Wlad enforces his immediate rematch clause Fury has to make that fight so he'll either have to breach his contract with Wlad or gets stripped by the IBF.
The IBF could've made a stipulation in there, it's not like fighting Wlad is a fighting a random bum. That's why belts can never stay unified because of idiot SB's doing idiot SB shit.
The IBF could've made a stipulation in there, it's not like fighting Wlad is a fighting a random bum. That's why belts can never stay unified because of idiot SB's doing idiot SB shit.
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NELSON STORY UPDATED, WITH DIBELLA QUOTE, HAYMON ADDITION
"Score one for the journalists!" I bellowed when I got the new boxing boss at HBO, Peter Nelson, on the line Tuesday after lunch.
The ex journo, just named VP of boxing at the cabler, who will be responsible for day to day decisions on what fights we fans see, laughed heartily.
Nelson, at HBO since 2011, enjoys a reputation as an intellectual who, crucially, cares about the sport and the matches and his mission from the ground up. He knows what he sees in a ring, has a solid nose for who is good, and who isn't, in my estimation, so this appointment could bode well for you the fan.
He was in a humble, team-player mode when we chatted. He said that 'we have an experienced team here at every level of the company and this is not a one-man job, it will be a collaboration across the board."
The Massachusetts native said he is "honored to lead this team effort," and I asked him what this era could end up looking like. The programming behemoth had Seth Abraham, then Ross Greenburg, and most recently, Ken Hershman, responsible for decision making in the boxing space. I asked what Nelson might want to do, and what maybe he'll do differently than what we've been seeing. "Our subscriber base is a sophisticated group," he said. "They prize authentic competition, quality competition, and our objective is always taking best care of that viewer. We want to feature fighters at their pinnacle, the apex of their skills, and for them to fight the toughest challenges put in front of them."
Music to my ears...
He listed Canelo Alvarez, gennady Golovkin, Terence Crawford, Sergey Kovalev, and also Roman Gonzalez, as assets on the table, ready to be presented to subscribers.
I told Nelson I'd prefer there be less of an emphasis on placement of premium fare on PPV, and to have more A grade scraps end up on HBO "regular." Does he share that POV? It feels like it.."Our goal is to best serve the subscribers," he told me. "When we can make those fights on the network, we make every effort to do so!"
Public and private reaction to the decision has been strong. Lou Dibella, the NY-based promoter who runs a card this Saturday at Barclays Center, told me he gives the Nelson hire a thumbs up.
"Peter is an extremely bright person who is passionate about boxing, capable of doing a great job..I'm happy for him, and I applaud the company for being wise enough to put him in that seat. He's a breath of fresh air and very representative of being the best at what HBO can be..this is a wise move."
Back to Nelson; he mentioned the programming aside from the live fights, the 24/7s, and Two Days, and Fight Games, as continuing to be a focal point for the cabler. When a fight is deemed to transcend the typical viewership bubble, then we would be seeing it on PPV, and he wants the best of those to be supplied by HBO.
Asked to tease what the first quarter, and the year in boxing 2016 might look like, the new boxing boss proved to be defensively adept. He mentioned the Dec. 19 Boxing After Dark show, topped by a Bryant Jennings-Luis Ortiz tangle, and several slots on HBO Latino.
Looking ahead, quality of competition will be at his forefront of desires, he said.
This is a public pronouncement in support of youthful ideals, the hiring of Nelson, and also the investment in Bill Simmons, taken from ESPN. Will Simmons, yes, a boxing fan with a strong base of knowledge in the sweet science, be working in concert with nelson, influencing programming? Nelson said he is cognizant that the executives at HBO are top tier across the board, and reiterated his stance that he is privileged to be in the mix with them. he first met Simmons at the Canelo Alvarez-Miguel Cotto event in Las Vegas, on Nov. 7 and he called Simmons a "tremendous talent and incredible asset to this network."
He noted that Simmons is a superior "curator" and said he will be continuing his conversation with the opinionated auteur, also a massachusetts native.
Finally, this is a new age, where methods of branding, of message dissemination have and are changing. To that end...will we be seeing gennady Golovkin and Sergey Kovalev on "Game of Thrones?"
Nelson chuckled, again, and said he will stay in his lane, that being a vehicle to help put on compelling boxing matches.
My take: I speak first as a fan, who wants to see the best fighting the best. As an opinionator, I share the optimism publicly and privately shared by media and movers and shakers and piemakers I've spoken to. Nelson is "young," and I think that fact is acknowledged by the fact that he can succeed upwards into the President chair that Ken Hershman is exiting, after four years.
Many will wonder if the Nelson hire will mean we get a shift in the "two league" setup the sport deals with, the Al haymon aide and everything else. Too early to tell..But I'm guessing Nelson knows that the big picture can conceivably be brighter when all players and potential assets are in play...
The bet here is that the Harvard-educated Nelson owns the intellectual fiber and characterological makeup to push back when needed, to stick to a foundation of quality control that will best serve the subscriber base. I think we should be encouraged by the word choice he used, calling subscribers "sophisticated." That he respects the subscriber and knows that they know what they want and deserve, that can only bode well for his era, which starts now.
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NELSON STORY UPDATED, WITH DIBELLA QUOTE, HAYMON ADDITION
"Score one for the journalists!" I bellowed when I got the new boxing boss at HBO, Peter Nelson, on the line Tuesday after lunch.
The ex journo, just named VP of boxing at the cabler, who will be responsible for day to day decisions on what fights we fans see, laughed heartily.
Nelson, at HBO since 2011, enjoys a reputation as an intellectual who, crucially, cares about the sport and the matches and his mission from the ground up. He knows what he sees in a ring, has a solid nose for who is good, and who isn't, in my estimation, so this appointment could bode well for you the fan.
He was in a humble, team-player mode when we chatted. He said that 'we have an experienced team here at every level of the company and this is not a one-man job, it will be a collaboration across the board."
The Massachusetts native said he is "honored to lead this team effort," and I asked him what this era could end up looking like. The programming behemoth had Seth Abraham, then Ross Greenburg, and most recently, Ken Hershman, responsible for decision making in the boxing space. I asked what Nelson might want to do, and what maybe he'll do differently than what we've been seeing. "Our subscriber base is a sophisticated group," he said. "They prize authentic competition, quality competition, and our objective is always taking best care of that viewer. We want to feature fighters at their pinnacle, the apex of their skills, and for them to fight the toughest challenges put in front of them."
Music to my ears...
He listed Canelo Alvarez, gennady Golovkin, Terence Crawford, Sergey Kovalev, and also Roman Gonzalez, as assets on the table, ready to be presented to subscribers.
I told Nelson I'd prefer there be less of an emphasis on placement of premium fare on PPV, and to have more A grade scraps end up on HBO "regular." Does he share that POV? It feels like it.."Our goal is to best serve the subscribers," he told me. "When we can make those fights on the network, we make every effort to do so!"
Public and private reaction to the decision has been strong. Lou Dibella, the NY-based promoter who runs a card this Saturday at Barclays Center, told me he gives the Nelson hire a thumbs up.
"Peter is an extremely bright person who is passionate about boxing, capable of doing a great job..I'm happy for him, and I applaud the company for being wise enough to put him in that seat. He's a breath of fresh air and very representative of being the best at what HBO can be..this is a wise move."
Back to Nelson; he mentioned the programming aside from the live fights, the 24/7s, and Two Days, and Fight Games, as continuing to be a focal point for the cabler. When a fight is deemed to transcend the typical viewership bubble, then we would be seeing it on PPV, and he wants the best of those to be supplied by HBO.
Asked to tease what the first quarter, and the year in boxing 2016 might look like, the new boxing boss proved to be defensively adept. He mentioned the Dec. 19 Boxing After Dark show, topped by a Bryant Jennings-Luis Ortiz tangle, and several slots on HBO Latino.
Looking ahead, quality of competition will be at his forefront of desires, he said.
This is a public pronouncement in support of youthful ideals, the hiring of Nelson, and also the investment in Bill Simmons, taken from ESPN. Will Simmons, yes, a boxing fan with a strong base of knowledge in the sweet science, be working in concert with nelson, influencing programming? Nelson said he is cognizant that the executives at HBO are top tier across the board, and reiterated his stance that he is privileged to be in the mix with them. he first met Simmons at the Canelo Alvarez-Miguel Cotto event in Las Vegas, on Nov. 7 and he called Simmons a "tremendous talent and incredible asset to this network."
He noted that Simmons is a superior "curator" and said he will be continuing his conversation with the opinionated auteur, also a massachusetts native.
Finally, this is a new age, where methods of branding, of message dissemination have and are changing. To that end...will we be seeing gennady Golovkin and Sergey Kovalev on "Game of Thrones?"
Nelson chuckled, again, and said he will stay in his lane, that being a vehicle to help put on compelling boxing matches.
My take: I speak first as a fan, who wants to see the best fighting the best. As an opinionator, I share the optimism publicly and privately shared by media and movers and shakers and piemakers I've spoken to. Nelson is "young," and I think that fact is acknowledged by the fact that he can succeed upwards into the President chair that Ken Hershman is exiting, after four years.
Many will wonder if the Nelson hire will mean we get a shift in the "two league" setup the sport deals with, the Al haymon aide and everything else. Too early to tell..But I'm guessing Nelson knows that the big picture can conceivably be brighter when all players and potential assets are in play...
The bet here is that the Harvard-educated Nelson owns the intellectual fiber and characterological makeup to push back when needed, to stick to a foundation of quality control that will best serve the subscriber base. I think we should be encouraged by the word choice he used, calling subscribers "sophisticated." That he respects the subscriber and knows that they know what they want and deserve, that can only bode well for his era, which starts now.
Brilliant. Like naner said this is why we can't have a single unified champion.
So what will it be then, Vyacheslav Glazkov vs Charles Martin for the vacant title? Pffft.
IBF top 10 before Saturday night:
1. Vyacheslav Glazkov
2. NOT RATED
3. Tyson Fury
4. Charles Martin
5. Erkan Teper
6. Steve Cunningham
7. Artur Szpilka
8. Lucas Browne
9. Anthony Joshua
So what will it be then, Vyacheslav Glazkov vs Charles Martin for the vacant title? Pffft.
IBF top 10 before Saturday night:
1. Vyacheslav Glazkov
2. NOT RATED
3. Tyson Fury
4. Charles Martin
5. Erkan Teper
6. Steve Cunningham
7. Artur Szpilka
8. Lucas Browne
9. Anthony Joshua
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K. Porter: I Believe Thurman is Having Second Thoughts
Posted by: Steve Kim on 12/3/2015 .
By Steve Kim
There has been a lot of talk regarding a possible welterweight showdown between Keith Thurman (who holds the WBA 'regular' title) and former IBF beltholder Shawn Porter - two of the more talented boxers under the Premier Boxing Champions (PBC) umbrella of Al Haymon. But as of yet, no date has been set for that match-up.
Kenny Porter who trains and manages his son Shawn, told BoxingScene.com:
"I have been reassured that the Keith Thurman-Shawn Porter fight is going to happen in 2016. As of this moment I haven't received a date, I have not received a venue nor a city. But I have been reassured that they are going to fight."
Porter will be in Brooklyn this weekend to see this Saturday's fight card at the Barclays Center and hopes to get some answers from the powers that be.
"I'm going to the (Danny) Jacobs-(Peter) Quillin fight to be a part of the event, to see the fight, enjoy the festivities of that and hopefully get a few minutes with the people that are involved with putting this fight together to find out what is the status of it and also to let people know that Shawn Porter is ready to fight Keith Thurman or whoever else is wanting to fight us and the level that we fight at," said Porter.
"Obviously, when you're trying to get a big fight like this one put together there's a lot of intangibles, a lot of things to put it together. But I'd like to know if some of those things have come to pass and if some of those things have been accomplished at this point."
So is he as confident in this fight coming to fruition as he was a few weeks ago?
"Three weeks ago is when I received my reassurance, so yes I am confident in that," answered Porter. "But moving forward, we're getting closer to 2016. I do really want to get more information in regards to that. So some meaningful discussions need to happen here, soon."
When Porter is asked if Thurman is reluctant to face his son - who defeated Adrien Broner on June 20th - for whatever reason, he says bluntly - "I believe Keith is having second thoughts in regards to fighting Shawn. There are a lot of guys that know Shawn from the amateurs that know more about him then people know on a professional level. So when you yourself are that guy that's in that tournament with that kid and he's dominating the competition and you're not, and Demetrius Andrade's last loss in the United States was to Shawn Porter but Keith Thurman lost to Demetrius Andrade two or three times, every time they met - those things stick in your mind."
"So I believe that it's not an easy of a pass as most people may think because they just don't know the back history of Shawn and how long he's been doing this. A lot of fans are not educated to the coaches, as well, because I've had numerous opportunities to work with a lot of young professional champions that we have right now: your Gary Russells, your Charlos, and your Demetrius Andrades. I've had numerous occasions to work with all these guys in amateur camps, in professional camps as well."
Porter is convinced he has some valuable inside information on 'One Time' from past experiences.
"So Keith Thurman is no different, I coached him in the amateurs, I've worked his corner in the amateurs, I've worked in his corner in international competitions, I've worked his corner in a professional fight here in Las Vegas. So there's a lot of things that come to play when you get ready to set that fight. You've got a lot of things to think about."
Posted by: Steve Kim on 12/3/2015 .
By Steve Kim
There has been a lot of talk regarding a possible welterweight showdown between Keith Thurman (who holds the WBA 'regular' title) and former IBF beltholder Shawn Porter - two of the more talented boxers under the Premier Boxing Champions (PBC) umbrella of Al Haymon. But as of yet, no date has been set for that match-up.
Kenny Porter who trains and manages his son Shawn, told BoxingScene.com:
"I have been reassured that the Keith Thurman-Shawn Porter fight is going to happen in 2016. As of this moment I haven't received a date, I have not received a venue nor a city. But I have been reassured that they are going to fight."
Porter will be in Brooklyn this weekend to see this Saturday's fight card at the Barclays Center and hopes to get some answers from the powers that be.
"I'm going to the (Danny) Jacobs-(Peter) Quillin fight to be a part of the event, to see the fight, enjoy the festivities of that and hopefully get a few minutes with the people that are involved with putting this fight together to find out what is the status of it and also to let people know that Shawn Porter is ready to fight Keith Thurman or whoever else is wanting to fight us and the level that we fight at," said Porter.
"Obviously, when you're trying to get a big fight like this one put together there's a lot of intangibles, a lot of things to put it together. But I'd like to know if some of those things have come to pass and if some of those things have been accomplished at this point."
So is he as confident in this fight coming to fruition as he was a few weeks ago?
"Three weeks ago is when I received my reassurance, so yes I am confident in that," answered Porter. "But moving forward, we're getting closer to 2016. I do really want to get more information in regards to that. So some meaningful discussions need to happen here, soon."
When Porter is asked if Thurman is reluctant to face his son - who defeated Adrien Broner on June 20th - for whatever reason, he says bluntly - "I believe Keith is having second thoughts in regards to fighting Shawn. There are a lot of guys that know Shawn from the amateurs that know more about him then people know on a professional level. So when you yourself are that guy that's in that tournament with that kid and he's dominating the competition and you're not, and Demetrius Andrade's last loss in the United States was to Shawn Porter but Keith Thurman lost to Demetrius Andrade two or three times, every time they met - those things stick in your mind."
"So I believe that it's not an easy of a pass as most people may think because they just don't know the back history of Shawn and how long he's been doing this. A lot of fans are not educated to the coaches, as well, because I've had numerous opportunities to work with a lot of young professional champions that we have right now: your Gary Russells, your Charlos, and your Demetrius Andrades. I've had numerous occasions to work with all these guys in amateur camps, in professional camps as well."
Porter is convinced he has some valuable inside information on 'One Time' from past experiences.
"So Keith Thurman is no different, I coached him in the amateurs, I've worked his corner in the amateurs, I've worked in his corner in international competitions, I've worked his corner in a professional fight here in Las Vegas. So there's a lot of things that come to play when you get ready to set that fight. You've got a lot of things to think about."
