Obviously we will never know but I think Holyfield beats Tyson at any time. Most opponents that Tyson was running through, he had them beat before the bell rang with fear. Holyfield wasnt scared and was a phenominal boxer and frustrates his opponents like he did Mike. If Mike doesnt get you early you had a chance and no way would he beat Holyfield if the fight goes anywhere near 10 rounds in my opinion. He would have to ko him very early. Regardless they fought when they fought and everybody and they momma said Tyson would win accept me and he lost twice lol. Got Em!!
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Holyfield is one of my favorite boxers ever but I think Tyson gets him if they fought before Cus's death. Noone had more heart then Holyfield I will tell u that much. That Bowe/Holyfield 3 should have never happened but Holyfield being the warrior he is didnt back out and yes his resume looks better then most heavyweights
See that's the thing. You're not looking at Mike Tyson pre prison, Mike Tyson under Cus' hand or shortly after he died. It was hard to hit the man. Too many slips, head movement was insane, the bobbing and weaving, and he had good foot speed. I don't see a prime Holyfield with any tools to beat a prime Tyson. And going the distance wasn't an issue early in his career.
While I think Cus passing away effected Tyson, it's almost become a myth of a before Cus Tyson and after Cus Tyson in the ring as time has passed.
Cus died before Mike even won a title. The Douglas upset happened about 4-5 years after Cus passed. Clearly he spiraled outside of it but I honestly think losing Kevin Rooney in his corner had a much more significant effect inside the ring than losing Cus.
Cus died before Mike even won a title. The Douglas upset happened about 4-5 years after Cus passed. Clearly he spiraled outside of it but I honestly think losing Kevin Rooney in his corner had a much more significant effect inside the ring than losing Cus.
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Losing Rooney had a drastic effect. I totally agree with you on that and it could have been the straw that broke the camels back. The thing about Cus, and why I point to it as a factor, was the relationship he had with the guy. I just think the bond they shared was a bit deeper than boxing and with that gone it's like he crumbled. I just watched the Tyson VS Green fight and Tyson and Rooney were great together.
And the 3rd thing...what if Tyson had never hooked up with Don King?
Who do you have Naner? A prime Tyson or Holyfield?
And the 3rd thing...what if Tyson had never hooked up with Don King?
Who do you have Naner? A prime Tyson or Holyfield?
Yeah definitely agree about King, he was one of the main reasons of Tyson dropping Rooney.
I think I'd go with Holyfield. As fast and as hard as Tyson hit, it's hard for me to imagine Holyfield getting put away early, especially a Holyfield who hadn't done anything at heavyweight yet and was starving for his shot at Tyson.
It's hard to say though..
I think I'd go with Holyfield. As fast and as hard as Tyson hit, it's hard for me to imagine Holyfield getting put away early, especially a Holyfield who hadn't done anything at heavyweight yet and was starving for his shot at Tyson.
It's hard to say though..
Oscar de la Hoya Bids Farewell to Floyd Mayweather, Drops the Mic
By Oscar de la Hoya Illustration by Peter Strain November 12, 2015
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Oscar de la Hoya Bids Farewell to Floyd Mayweather, Drops the Mic: Peter Strain
Peter Strain
This letter, written by Oscar de la Hoya, appears in the December 2015 issue of Playboy Magazine.
Dear Floyd:
You did it. You made it to the 49–0 mark, a milestone that you like to say only the great Rocky -Marciano reached but that was actually achieved by others, including my idol Julio César Chávez—but who’s counting? And now you’re retiring. Again. (The first time was after our fight in 2007.) This time you say it’s for real. You’re serious about hanging up the gloves. On to bigger and better things. So I’m writing to you today to wish you a fond farewell. Truth be told, I’m not unhappy to see you retire. Neither are a lot of boxing fans. Scratch that. MOST boxing fans. Why? Because the fight game will be a better one without you in it.
Let’s face it: You were boring. Just take a look at your most recent performance, your last hurrah in the ring, a 12-round decision against Andre Berto. How to describe it? A bust? A disaster? A snooze fest? An affair so one-sided that on one judge’s card Berto didn’t win a single round? Everyone in boxing knew Berto didn’t have a chance. I think more people watched Family Guy reruns that night than tuned in to that pay-per-view bout. But I didn’t mind shelling out $75 for the HD broadcast. In fact it’s been a great investment. When my kids have trouble falling asleep, I don’t have to read to them anymore. I just play them your Berto fight. They don’t make it past round three.
Another reason boxing is better off without you: You were afraid. Afraid of taking chances. Afraid of risk. A perfect example is your greatest “triumph,” the long-awaited record-breaking fight between you and Manny Pacquiao. Nearly 4.5 million buys! More than $400 million in revenue! Headlines worldwide! How can that be bad for boxing? Because you lied. You promised action and entertainment and a battle for the ages, and you delivered none of the above. The problem is, that’s precisely how you want it. You should have fought Pacquiao five years ago, not five months ago. That, however, would have been too dangerous. Too risky. You’ve made a career out of being cautious. You won’t get in the ring unless you have an edge. Sure, you fought some big names. But they were past their prime. Hell, even when we fought in 2007—and I barely lost a split decision—I was at the tail end of my career. Then later you took on Mexican megastar Saúl “Canelo” -Álvarez, but he was too young and had to drop too much weight.
Me? I got into this business to take chances. I took on all comers in their prime. The evidence? I lost. Six times. After 31 wins, my first loss was to Félix Trinidad, and I learned a valuable lesson that is true both in the ring and in life: Don’t run. I didn’t stop taking on the best of the best. After beating Derrell Coley, I took on “Sugar” Shane Mosley at the height of his powers—undefeated and considered by many to be the pound-for-pound best in the world. Again, I lost. After four wins against more top-ranked fighters I took on Mosley again. We can debate who actually won the rematch, but the judges had me losing that one as well.
Did I go easy after that? No. I moved up to middleweight to win a belt and faced one of the greatest middleweights of all time, Bernard Hopkins. After a body shot that I’m still feeling took me out of the fight, I took on two more guys at the height of their power who, many years later, would finally face each other at the ages of 36 and 38—Manny Pacquiao and you. When fighters do that—when they risk losing—that’s when everyone wins. The mantra of my firm Golden Boy Promotions is simple: the best taking on the best. It’s too bad you didn’t do the same.
You took the easy way out. When you weren’t dancing around fading stars (show idea for you: Dancing Around the Fading Stars), you were beating up on outclassed opponents. A lot of your opponents were above-average fighters, but they weren’t your caliber. You’re a very talented fighter, the best defensive fighter of our generation. But what good is talent if you don’t test it? Muhammad Ali did. Sugar Ray Leonard did. You? Not a chance. You spent 2000 to 2010 facing forgettable opening acts like Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N’dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Bruseles and Sharmba Mitchell. There were guys out there—tough scary opponents like Antonio Margarito and Paul Williams—but you ran from them. Were you ever on the track team in high school? You would have been a star.
Boxing will also be a better place without the Mouth. Your mouth, to be precise, the one that created “Money” Mayweather. I know you needed that Money Mayweather persona. Before he—and Golden Boy -Promotions—came along, nobody watched your fights. You couldn’t even sell out your hometown of Grand Rapids, Michigan. The Mouth made you money. More money than you could spend in a lifetime. (Wait, I’ve seen those episodes of 24/7. You probably will spend it all.) But the Mouth doesn’t have a place in boxing; save it for the WWE. Unless you’re someone like Ali, whose fights were as scintillating as his banter, the all-talk, no-entertainment model cheapens our sport. Boxers should speak with their fists and with their hearts. They don’t have to say anything to prove themselves. You’re going to have a legacy. You’ll be remembered as the guy who made the most money. As for your fights? We’ve already forgotten them.
Now that you’re stepping aside, attention can be turned to the sport’s real stars: the brawlers, the brave, the boxers who want nothing more than to face the best and therefore be the best. There’s Canelo, Kazakh KO sensation Gennady Golovkin, ferocious flyweight Román González, slugger Sergey Kovalev and a host of up-and-comers including Terence Crawford, Vasyl Lomachenko and Keith Thurman. Want to see what a monster fight looks like? Canelo takes on Miguel Cotto on November 21. It won’t do 4.4 million in PPV buys, but everyone who watches it will be thrilled. And that’s no empty promise.
You’re moving on to a new phase of life now, a second act. I’m sure it will be nice not to have to train year-round. To get out of the gym and spend time with your family. But I’m wondering what you’re going to do. You have a lot of time and, at the moment, a lot of money. Maybe you’ll put your true skills to work and open a used-car dealership or run a circus. Or maybe you’ll wind up back on Dancing With the Stars. It’s a job that’s safe, pays well and lets you run around on stage. Something you’ve been doing for most of your career.
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Oscar de la Hoya Bids Farewell to Floyd Mayweather, Drops the Mic: Peter Strain
Peter Strain
This letter, written by Oscar de la Hoya, appears in the December 2015 issue of Playboy Magazine.
Dear Floyd:
You did it. You made it to the 49–0 mark, a milestone that you like to say only the great Rocky -Marciano reached but that was actually achieved by others, including my idol Julio César Chávez—but who’s counting? And now you’re retiring. Again. (The first time was after our fight in 2007.) This time you say it’s for real. You’re serious about hanging up the gloves. On to bigger and better things. So I’m writing to you today to wish you a fond farewell. Truth be told, I’m not unhappy to see you retire. Neither are a lot of boxing fans. Scratch that. MOST boxing fans. Why? Because the fight game will be a better one without you in it.
Let’s face it: You were boring. Just take a look at your most recent performance, your last hurrah in the ring, a 12-round decision against Andre Berto. How to describe it? A bust? A disaster? A snooze fest? An affair so one-sided that on one judge’s card Berto didn’t win a single round? Everyone in boxing knew Berto didn’t have a chance. I think more people watched Family Guy reruns that night than tuned in to that pay-per-view bout. But I didn’t mind shelling out $75 for the HD broadcast. In fact it’s been a great investment. When my kids have trouble falling asleep, I don’t have to read to them anymore. I just play them your Berto fight. They don’t make it past round three.
Another reason boxing is better off without you: You were afraid. Afraid of taking chances. Afraid of risk. A perfect example is your greatest “triumph,” the long-awaited record-breaking fight between you and Manny Pacquiao. Nearly 4.5 million buys! More than $400 million in revenue! Headlines worldwide! How can that be bad for boxing? Because you lied. You promised action and entertainment and a battle for the ages, and you delivered none of the above. The problem is, that’s precisely how you want it. You should have fought Pacquiao five years ago, not five months ago. That, however, would have been too dangerous. Too risky. You’ve made a career out of being cautious. You won’t get in the ring unless you have an edge. Sure, you fought some big names. But they were past their prime. Hell, even when we fought in 2007—and I barely lost a split decision—I was at the tail end of my career. Then later you took on Mexican megastar Saúl “Canelo” -Álvarez, but he was too young and had to drop too much weight.
Me? I got into this business to take chances. I took on all comers in their prime. The evidence? I lost. Six times. After 31 wins, my first loss was to Félix Trinidad, and I learned a valuable lesson that is true both in the ring and in life: Don’t run. I didn’t stop taking on the best of the best. After beating Derrell Coley, I took on “Sugar” Shane Mosley at the height of his powers—undefeated and considered by many to be the pound-for-pound best in the world. Again, I lost. After four wins against more top-ranked fighters I took on Mosley again. We can debate who actually won the rematch, but the judges had me losing that one as well.
Did I go easy after that? No. I moved up to middleweight to win a belt and faced one of the greatest middleweights of all time, Bernard Hopkins. After a body shot that I’m still feeling took me out of the fight, I took on two more guys at the height of their power who, many years later, would finally face each other at the ages of 36 and 38—Manny Pacquiao and you. When fighters do that—when they risk losing—that’s when everyone wins. The mantra of my firm Golden Boy Promotions is simple: the best taking on the best. It’s too bad you didn’t do the same.
You took the easy way out. When you weren’t dancing around fading stars (show idea for you: Dancing Around the Fading Stars), you were beating up on outclassed opponents. A lot of your opponents were above-average fighters, but they weren’t your caliber. You’re a very talented fighter, the best defensive fighter of our generation. But what good is talent if you don’t test it? Muhammad Ali did. Sugar Ray Leonard did. You? Not a chance. You spent 2000 to 2010 facing forgettable opening acts like Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N’dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Bruseles and Sharmba Mitchell. There were guys out there—tough scary opponents like Antonio Margarito and Paul Williams—but you ran from them. Were you ever on the track team in high school? You would have been a star.
Boxing will also be a better place without the Mouth. Your mouth, to be precise, the one that created “Money” Mayweather. I know you needed that Money Mayweather persona. Before he—and Golden Boy -Promotions—came along, nobody watched your fights. You couldn’t even sell out your hometown of Grand Rapids, Michigan. The Mouth made you money. More money than you could spend in a lifetime. (Wait, I’ve seen those episodes of 24/7. You probably will spend it all.) But the Mouth doesn’t have a place in boxing; save it for the WWE. Unless you’re someone like Ali, whose fights were as scintillating as his banter, the all-talk, no-entertainment model cheapens our sport. Boxers should speak with their fists and with their hearts. They don’t have to say anything to prove themselves. You’re going to have a legacy. You’ll be remembered as the guy who made the most money. As for your fights? We’ve already forgotten them.
Now that you’re stepping aside, attention can be turned to the sport’s real stars: the brawlers, the brave, the boxers who want nothing more than to face the best and therefore be the best. There’s Canelo, Kazakh KO sensation Gennady Golovkin, ferocious flyweight Román González, slugger Sergey Kovalev and a host of up-and-comers including Terence Crawford, Vasyl Lomachenko and Keith Thurman. Want to see what a monster fight looks like? Canelo takes on Miguel Cotto on November 21. It won’t do 4.4 million in PPV buys, but everyone who watches it will be thrilled. And that’s no empty promise.
You’re moving on to a new phase of life now, a second act. I’m sure it will be nice not to have to train year-round. To get out of the gym and spend time with your family. But I’m wondering what you’re going to do. You have a lot of time and, at the moment, a lot of money. Maybe you’ll put your true skills to work and open a used-car dealership or run a circus. Or maybe you’ll wind up back on Dancing With the Stars. It’s a job that’s safe, pays well and lets you run around on stage. Something you’ve been doing for most of your career.
Floyd Mayweather: Boxing looks bad with Ronda Rousey on 'Ring Magazine' cover
By Mike Coppinger November 11, 2015 6:02 pm
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Floyd Mayweather after his WBA/WBC welterweight title win over Andre Berto in September. (Joe Camporeale, USA TODAY Sports)
Floyd Mayweather after his WBA/WBC welterweight title win over Andre Berto in September. (Joe Camporeale, USA TODAY Sports)
The Ring Magazine curiously decided to stamp UFC champion Ronda Rousey on the cover of their Jan. 2016 issue, which is set to hit newsstands on Nov. 15.
The boxing publication has been around since 1922, and earning your place on the cover is considered an accomplishment for any boxer. That Ring Magazine would select an athlete from a different sport to grace the front didn’t set too well with a certain retired pugilist.
ANGER: Boxing fans upset over Rousey’s ‘Ring Magazine’ cover
“Well, you know, congratulations, but you know the sport is starting to look bad when a female fighter from a whole other sport is on the cover of a boxing book,” Floyd Mayweather, who has verbally jousted with the UFC star over the past year, told FightHype. “You gotta realize this: We all know Oscar De La Hoya owns The Ring Magazine. That shows you; he has no fighters but Canelo. Basically, it’s like he’s trying to steal her from (UFC president) Dana White.”
Mayweather, who hung up the gloves (at least for now) after a September win over Andre Berto, made waves when he said he didn’t know “who he is” when asked about the UFC star last year. Rousey shot back after besting Mayweather for the ESPY award for best fighter, saying “I’d like to see you pretend not to know who I am now.” She also asked him how it felt to get “beat by a woman for once,” a reference to his domestic violence incidents.
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“Money” also took the time to take a shot at one of his former opponents.
“Richard Schaefer, he built Golden Boy from the ground up, helped them make tons and tons of money, and what did (Oscar) do?,” Mayweather said. “This is real talk. How can Canelo (Alvarez) or any fighter hold their head up high and say, ‘You know what? I’m proud for Oscar, a guy that dressed in drag and been on coke.’ I mean, the world knows this. How can you hold your head up high and say, ‘You know what? I’m proud for this person to be my promoter.
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Floyd Mayweather after his WBA/WBC welterweight title win over Andre Berto in September. (Joe Camporeale, USA TODAY Sports)
Floyd Mayweather after his WBA/WBC welterweight title win over Andre Berto in September. (Joe Camporeale, USA TODAY Sports)
The Ring Magazine curiously decided to stamp UFC champion Ronda Rousey on the cover of their Jan. 2016 issue, which is set to hit newsstands on Nov. 15.
The boxing publication has been around since 1922, and earning your place on the cover is considered an accomplishment for any boxer. That Ring Magazine would select an athlete from a different sport to grace the front didn’t set too well with a certain retired pugilist.
ANGER: Boxing fans upset over Rousey’s ‘Ring Magazine’ cover
“Well, you know, congratulations, but you know the sport is starting to look bad when a female fighter from a whole other sport is on the cover of a boxing book,” Floyd Mayweather, who has verbally jousted with the UFC star over the past year, told FightHype. “You gotta realize this: We all know Oscar De La Hoya owns The Ring Magazine. That shows you; he has no fighters but Canelo. Basically, it’s like he’s trying to steal her from (UFC president) Dana White.”
Mayweather, who hung up the gloves (at least for now) after a September win over Andre Berto, made waves when he said he didn’t know “who he is” when asked about the UFC star last year. Rousey shot back after besting Mayweather for the ESPY award for best fighter, saying “I’d like to see you pretend not to know who I am now.” She also asked him how it felt to get “beat by a woman for once,” a reference to his domestic violence incidents.
LOOKING FOR MORE: Rousey eyes titles in boxing, jiu-jitsu
“Money” also took the time to take a shot at one of his former opponents.
“Richard Schaefer, he built Golden Boy from the ground up, helped them make tons and tons of money, and what did (Oscar) do?,” Mayweather said. “This is real talk. How can Canelo (Alvarez) or any fighter hold their head up high and say, ‘You know what? I’m proud for Oscar, a guy that dressed in drag and been on coke.’ I mean, the world knows this. How can you hold your head up high and say, ‘You know what? I’m proud for this person to be my promoter.
If Oscar really wrote that shit he and battle must be the same person. Everything Oscar said is rendered null and void when you consider the fact Floyd beat Oscar.
Oscar, lay off the coke, stop the cross dressing and stick to promoting your fighters without letting Floyd or Haymon drip from your mouth.
Oscar, lay off the coke, stop the cross dressing and stick to promoting your fighters without letting Floyd or Haymon drip from your mouth.
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Fuck who his boss was. He made more money than his boss. You and Oscar are salty bro. Instead of Oscar being happy that he himself is a millionaire, and wants for nothing, he would rather tear the next man down.
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But Oscar continues to make serious cash after his boxing career. You think Floyd can continue his success after boxing? FUCK NO! ODH not only took risks to make big money, but to build GBP. He promoted all the greats and fought them all so when he put the gloves down, he can pass it down to the next man. It just happened to be ungrateful ass Floyd. But karma works in this world and now Oscar has Canelo. And Floyd is stuck beefing with a female MMA fighter and Adrien Broner just to stay in the lime light. That's a GOTTDAMN SHAME
Yet Floyd has more money than everyone you just said and they need him to make money and stay in the limelight. Floyd made $20 million from WWE. Do you really think he can't continue his success outside of boxing or after it? Shit all the man has to do is license his name and images in the next boxing game. Do you realize how much that will be?
You are delusional, just like Oscar and Manny.
You are delusional, just like Oscar and Manny.
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Mayweather made $300 million dollars this year alone. Oscar can work for the rest of his life as president/owner of Golden Boy and will never make that kind of money. If he made $10 million dollars a year (which Oscar certainly is not) it would take 30 years for Oscar to make as much as Floyd did in 2015. Mayweather can never work another day in his life, never make a single investment, spend money recklessly and still be rich as fuck when he's an old man.
There are A LOT of things to criticize Floyd about, talking about what kind of money Floyd will make from here on out isn't one of them.
There are A LOT of things to criticize Floyd about, talking about what kind of money Floyd will make from here on out isn't one of them.
Trolling is Calling Floyd TBE. Did you miss the whole point of ODH's letter? The hype with Floyd is over. Look up how many ppv buys he got for Victor Ortiz vs Berto? Huge difference! Who was running his show? GBP. He just got lucky that Showtime was dumb enough to give him guaranteed money toward the end of his career. Now, how successful is he with TMT? Does it really even exist? From the money earned how much does he really keep? We don't know none of that. He fought Manny, he did a shitty performance, and now the world knows he ain't shit. You stream his fights! You don't even support.