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Did I mention Hagler? NO. Where were SRL biggest paydays at? 160? Thank you.
@2-0-Sixx
asked what was the obsession with fighters moving up in weight class, correct? I said everyone likes to see p4p fighters get challenged or challenge themselves. Plus, once they do that there is obviously more money involved. I brought up SRL because i'm letting him know that with risks, come reward, and this has been known since before we were born
@2-0-Sixx
asked what was the obsession with fighters moving up in weight class, correct? I said everyone likes to see p4p fighters get challenged or challenge themselves. Plus, once they do that there is obviously more money involved. I brought up SRL because i'm letting him know that with risks, come reward, and this has been known since before we were born
"Leonard was guaranteed $8 million, and Hearns was assured a minimum of $5 million. Each boxer also received a percentage of the revenue. Leonard ended up with more than $11 million, and Hearns got about $8 million."
That was for his first fight against Hearns @ WW.
"Hagler was guaranteed $12 million plus a percentage of the revenue. Leonard was guaranteed $11 million plus 50 percent of the closed circuit television rights in the Baltimore-Washington area. Hagler ended up with about $20 million and Leonard $12 million. After Leonard agreed to let Hagler have the larger purse, Hagler agreed to let Leonard choose the gloves (10-ounce Reyes), the number of rounds (12) and the size of the ring (20-foot)."
That was for his first fight moving up in weight against Hagler.
So he ended up with more than $11M at WW and $12M at MW.
And just for fun, here is from his first fight with Duran.
"Duran would earn $1.5 million, by far his biggest payday ever, while Leonard stood to make between $7.5 million and $10 million, more money than any man had ever collected for a fight."
The pay rates went up, BECAUSE SUGAR RAY WAS A FUCKING STAR. Middleweight or no middleweight.
His career was likely at SMW, that just so happened to be a rematch of one of the best fights ever against Hearns. A fight that could've been fought at HW with both guys weighing 300lbs and still went crazy.
Lance Pugmire ‏@latimespugmire now38 minutes ago
Earlier today, before A @ANDREW ard injury was announced, I was told the plan was for him to fight once more in '16, then seek @KrusherKovalev
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Lance Pugmire ‏@latimespugmire 8m8 minutes ago
Ward said, "I'm extremely disappointed that I'm missing this opportunity..." Adds he'll come back stronger and thanks his fans for patience.
Earlier today, before A @ANDREW ard injury was announced, I was told the plan was for him to fight once more in '16, then seek @KrusherKovalev
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Lance Pugmire ‏@latimespugmire 8m8 minutes ago
Ward said, "I'm extremely disappointed that I'm missing this opportunity..." Adds he'll come back stronger and thanks his fans for patience.
Brandon Rios has plenty riding on title fight with Timothy Bradley Jr.
Brandon Rios has plenty riding on title fight with Timothy Bradley Jr.
Brandon Rios lands a left jab against Manny Pacquiao during a bout on Nov. 24, 2013, in Macau. (Vincent Yu / Associated Press)
Lance PugmireLance PugmireContact Reporter
It's all Brandon Rios can think about.
Win Saturday against World Boxing Organization welterweight champion Timothy Bradley Jr., and he wears a world-title belt again and gets another big money fight next year.
Lose, and he's staring at a career pocked by three defeats in his last five fights.
"Devastation," Rios said of the latter scenario.
"If I lose, this could be it for my career. I'm not going to fight for $30,000, or fight on TruTV, Telefutura, Fox, whatever … they won't pay me what I want. … All I've ever done is boxing, so it's a scary thing to think about. My wife and I talked about this two months ago. She asked what would happen if I lose."
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An extended silence followed.
"I was thinking, thinking, thinking … honestly, I don't even know what I'd do. I'm scared. I can't think about it."
That explains why Rios (33-2-1, 24 knockouts), a former lightweight world champion, is determined to beat Bradley (32-1-1, 12 KOs) at Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas.
This version of Rios, at 29, is far more settled than the street kid who went to train under Robert Garcia in Oxnard with much of the edge remaining from a youth spent "poor, hungry and hustling" in Kansas, as Rios put it.
Since then, Rios has done plenty of growing up. He has been touched by the presence of his five children, by his marriage to a psychologist five years ago, and by those two losses.
Two years ago this month, Rios was routed in a unanimous-decision loss to Manny Pacquiao in China. That went a long way to shedding his cockiness.
"Getting the Pacquiao fight, I did get a little big-headed, thinking I was untouchable," Rios said. "After the fight, all the yes men were nowhere to be found, so I talked to my wife [Vicky] … she pointed out stuff, picked at my brain a little bit to remind who I was and what I was doing this for.
"I went back to the basics and remembered the drills that got me there in the first place. My wife's a great motivational speaker, she knows how to get someone out of the dirt."
In his next bout, Rios won a rough fight by disqualification over Diego Chaves. Then in January, Rios dominated Mike Alvarado with a third-round knockout, closing their trilogy with another stoppage.
Rios said he was told by his promoter, Bob Arum, that he'd fight again in the summer, but Arum said he couldn't strike a deal with another welterweight champion, England's Kell Brook, that would pay Rios enough. So Rios was on hold until Bradley agreed to terms that'll pay Rios $1.3 million for Saturday's bout.
Instead of going frantic in the downtime, Rios said he relished the extra time with his family in their four-bedroom home, while allowing pinched nerves in his right arm to fully heal.
"I live a moderate life, the life of a person who makes $60,000," Rios said. "I have to be smart with my money. It's not about the luxurious life.
"We don't need it, we don't spend it."
Bradley, meanwhile, switched to Teddy Atlas as trainer and is vowing to out-box, outsmart and out-point his opponent. Bradley was so confident last week that he told reporters Rios could only beat him with a lucky punch.
Rios trained for this fight at Garcia's Riverside ranch, but Rios was slow to get in shape after his layoff. Garcia brought in a conditioning coach for morning sessions, and Vicky Rios scolded her husband to stop his "pity party" and work hard like so many others do.
Rios now is clearly in shape.
"The lucky punch might come after all," said Rios, who has watched Bradley engage and get punished in recent fights with Ruslan Provodnikov, Pacquiao and Jessie Vargas.
"He's been hit before, been wobbled a couple times, and after awhile the wobbliness catches up to you. He says all I need is a lucky punch, let him think that.
"If he runs and boxes, I'll cut the ring off, go inside, be effective, be strong. Let him bring what he wants to bring. And if he wants to fight me, everyone knows I love to fight."
Garcia dismissed boxing critics who believe Rios doesn't have it anymore, but added that "the fight won't be easy, but ... Brandon's ready to do what he does best. It's the most important fight of Brandon's career. We need this one."
Arum said that if Rios wins, he'll push to get a bout against someone such as light-welterweight world champions Terence Crawford or Viktor Postol, or light-middleweight Saul Alvarez.
"I need to get back to the top and stay there," Rios said. "I felt what it's like to be a champion before. I'm not going to let it slip through my fingers again.
"I lost, and I saw what that does to your career — they forget about you. I don't want that to happen again."
Brandon Rios has plenty riding on title fight with Timothy Bradley Jr.
Brandon Rios lands a left jab against Manny Pacquiao during a bout on Nov. 24, 2013, in Macau. (Vincent Yu / Associated Press)
Lance PugmireLance PugmireContact Reporter
It's all Brandon Rios can think about.
Win Saturday against World Boxing Organization welterweight champion Timothy Bradley Jr., and he wears a world-title belt again and gets another big money fight next year.
Lose, and he's staring at a career pocked by three defeats in his last five fights.
"Devastation," Rios said of the latter scenario.
"If I lose, this could be it for my career. I'm not going to fight for $30,000, or fight on TruTV, Telefutura, Fox, whatever … they won't pay me what I want. … All I've ever done is boxing, so it's a scary thing to think about. My wife and I talked about this two months ago. She asked what would happen if I lose."
See the most-read stories in Sports this hour >>
An extended silence followed.
"I was thinking, thinking, thinking … honestly, I don't even know what I'd do. I'm scared. I can't think about it."
That explains why Rios (33-2-1, 24 knockouts), a former lightweight world champion, is determined to beat Bradley (32-1-1, 12 KOs) at Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas.
This version of Rios, at 29, is far more settled than the street kid who went to train under Robert Garcia in Oxnard with much of the edge remaining from a youth spent "poor, hungry and hustling" in Kansas, as Rios put it.
Since then, Rios has done plenty of growing up. He has been touched by the presence of his five children, by his marriage to a psychologist five years ago, and by those two losses.
Two years ago this month, Rios was routed in a unanimous-decision loss to Manny Pacquiao in China. That went a long way to shedding his cockiness.
"Getting the Pacquiao fight, I did get a little big-headed, thinking I was untouchable," Rios said. "After the fight, all the yes men were nowhere to be found, so I talked to my wife [Vicky] … she pointed out stuff, picked at my brain a little bit to remind who I was and what I was doing this for.
"I went back to the basics and remembered the drills that got me there in the first place. My wife's a great motivational speaker, she knows how to get someone out of the dirt."
In his next bout, Rios won a rough fight by disqualification over Diego Chaves. Then in January, Rios dominated Mike Alvarado with a third-round knockout, closing their trilogy with another stoppage.
Rios said he was told by his promoter, Bob Arum, that he'd fight again in the summer, but Arum said he couldn't strike a deal with another welterweight champion, England's Kell Brook, that would pay Rios enough. So Rios was on hold until Bradley agreed to terms that'll pay Rios $1.3 million for Saturday's bout.
Instead of going frantic in the downtime, Rios said he relished the extra time with his family in their four-bedroom home, while allowing pinched nerves in his right arm to fully heal.
"I live a moderate life, the life of a person who makes $60,000," Rios said. "I have to be smart with my money. It's not about the luxurious life.
"We don't need it, we don't spend it."
Bradley, meanwhile, switched to Teddy Atlas as trainer and is vowing to out-box, outsmart and out-point his opponent. Bradley was so confident last week that he told reporters Rios could only beat him with a lucky punch.
Rios trained for this fight at Garcia's Riverside ranch, but Rios was slow to get in shape after his layoff. Garcia brought in a conditioning coach for morning sessions, and Vicky Rios scolded her husband to stop his "pity party" and work hard like so many others do.
Rios now is clearly in shape.
"The lucky punch might come after all," said Rios, who has watched Bradley engage and get punished in recent fights with Ruslan Provodnikov, Pacquiao and Jessie Vargas.
"He's been hit before, been wobbled a couple times, and after awhile the wobbliness catches up to you. He says all I need is a lucky punch, let him think that.
"If he runs and boxes, I'll cut the ring off, go inside, be effective, be strong. Let him bring what he wants to bring. And if he wants to fight me, everyone knows I love to fight."
Garcia dismissed boxing critics who believe Rios doesn't have it anymore, but added that "the fight won't be easy, but ... Brandon's ready to do what he does best. It's the most important fight of Brandon's career. We need this one."
Arum said that if Rios wins, he'll push to get a bout against someone such as light-welterweight world champions Terence Crawford or Viktor Postol, or light-middleweight Saul Alvarez.
"I need to get back to the top and stay there," Rios said. "I felt what it's like to be a champion before. I'm not going to let it slip through my fingers again.
"I lost, and I saw what that does to your career — they forget about you. I don't want that to happen again."
@naner12
These are SRL biggest paydays. The biggest ones come from when he fought at MW, Kalule prior to his retirement was at LMW, Duran who moved up from LW. Hearns at that time was a legit WW. That's it. Nov. 30, 1979--Wilfred Benitez (KO-15), $1 million.
March 31, 1980--Dave Green (KO-4), $1 million.
June 20, 1980--Roberto Duran (L-15), $10 million.
Nov. 25, 1980--Roberto Duran (KO-8), $7 million.
March 28, 1981--Larry Bonds (KO-10), $1 million.
June 25, 1981--Ayub Kalule (KO-9), $2.5 million.
Sept. 16, 1981--Thomas Hearns (TKO-14), $12 million.
Feb. 15, 1982--Bruce Finch (KO-3),$1 million.
May 11, 1984--Kevin Howard (KO-9),$2.5 million.
April 6, 1987--Marvin Hagler (W-12),$12 million.
Nov. 7, 1988-- Donnie La Londe (KO-9), $13 million.
June 12, 1989--Thomas Hearns$13 million (guaranteed).
You're way too dumb to even get into a back and forth with. If you don't understand that SRL before moving up was a star and made more money at the time than anyone ever for getting in the ring then there's really nothing to say.
Go read how raises work. SRL was consistently the highest paid guy in the sport before he made any move. As time passed more money came to the sport therefore more money came to the highest paid guy in the sport.
If you want to think you're right have it. I'm done going back and forth saying the same thing with someone who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.
Go read how raises work. SRL was consistently the highest paid guy in the sport before he made any move. As time passed more money came to the sport therefore more money came to the highest paid guy in the sport.
If you want to think you're right have it. I'm done going back and forth saying the same thing with someone who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.
Lance Pugmire
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Virgil Hunter tells me he's "devastated" by his decision to keep A @ANDREW ard sidelined by right knee swelling. Says Ward was looking great.
11:48 AM - 5 Nov 2015
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"I'm sad because he was looking so powerful and agile.. A @ANDREW ard was right in front of you, making you miss," Hunter says of sparring.
11:50 AM - 5 Nov 2015
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Virgil Hunter tells me he's "devastated" by his decision to keep A @ANDREW ard sidelined by right knee swelling. Says Ward was looking great.
11:48 AM - 5 Nov 2015
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Lance Pugmire
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"I'm sad because he was looking so powerful and agile.. A @ANDREW ard was right in front of you, making you miss," Hunter says of sparring.
11:50 AM - 5 Nov 2015
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Lance Pugmire
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Hunter: A @ANDREW ard "was countering with sharp, accurate authority." Says rehab has started and he's eyeing "any first of the year date."
11:53 AM - 5 Nov 2015
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Lance Pugmire
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Hunter says A @ANDREW ard just overdid it running and pushed through any pain but the swelling became so bad that Hunter had to step in.
11:59 AM - 5 Nov 2015
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✔ L @LATimes pugmire
Hunter: A @ANDREW ard "was countering with sharp, accurate authority." Says rehab has started and he's eyeing "any first of the year date."
11:53 AM - 5 Nov 2015
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Lance Pugmire
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Hunter says A @ANDREW ard just overdid it running and pushed through any pain but the swelling became so bad that Hunter had to step in.
11:59 AM - 5 Nov 2015
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Michael Woods ‏@Woodsy1069 2h2 hours ago
WBC voted to modify purse bid rules, now 10% of bid will go to the winner of fight...this is only for mandated bouts that go to purse bid
Michael Woods ‏@Woodsy1069 2h2 hours ago
WBC reached an agreement with Carlos Briman of Mexico, has a financial system named 'Value,' is a multi-millionaire who is an expert...
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WBC voted to modify purse bid rules, now 10% of bid will go to the winner of fight...this is only for mandated bouts that go to purse bid
Michael Woods ‏@Woodsy1069 2h2 hours ago
WBC reached an agreement with Carlos Briman of Mexico, has a financial system named 'Value,' is a multi-millionaire who is an expert...
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Michael Woods ‏@Woodsy1069 2h2 hours ago
...in the financial world, has been working to put a program together that will be available for any boxer for voluntary savings; the...
Michael Woods ‏@Woodsy1069 2h2 hours ago
...intention is for boxer to save money, generate big interest & money will not be available to them until 5 years after they have retired.
...in the financial world, has been working to put a program together that will be available for any boxer for voluntary savings; the...
Michael Woods ‏@Woodsy1069 2h2 hours ago
...intention is for boxer to save money, generate big interest & money will not be available to them until 5 years after they have retired.