Boxing News Thread

[2-0-Sixx]

Rigo's issues have more to deal with how he wanted his career to pan out vs how realistically speaking there was poor viewership whenever he fought.

How exactly did Rigondeaux want his career to pan out? Rigondeaux just wanted to fight, he was never a diva and said no to anyone, he took on an relatively unknown Thai and Japanese fighter after Donaire and Joseph Agbeko and never complained. He didn't complain about not fighting on HBO and would have continued to do so if not for his management/promotional issues this year. The issues your talking about aren't issues at all, you're talking more about his popularity than anything else from what it seems like.

The "obsession" of a fighter moving up in weight is to make the fights that make the most money, and for us is to enjoy. It's not that serious, but earlier this year he could have made good money fighting Loma and he stood his ground but now he's the victim? He's at the tail-end of his career, he should go out there and make that money

Boxing isn't just about making the most money possible, it's a sport. Not everyone is a superstar. Also the Loma situation had more to do with his management and promotional issues, he said he would go up in weight in fact but he can't make a fight with Bob Arum if he's going through contract issues on his end. Again, all of his issues are contract related. As far as I know, he was waiting until September until his contract expires and then sign with Haymon, but as it turned out it wasn't that simple and the leaches he's with claim he's still under contract and won't let him go, so there is a legal battle.

 

[battle619]

@naner12 but those fighters still moved up in weight to make big fights, no matter what you say. @2-0-Sixx Yes, Rigo agreed to 126 vs Loma, but with a rehydration clause. Please don't skip that part out. That had nothing to do with Caribe nor his manager.

 

[battle619]

When convenient, let's say we are unifying:

Sanchez: Golovkin Will Go Anywhere To Face Carl Froch! - Boxing News

Even he knows moving up in weight classes create bigger fights.

 

[TrEmEnDo InDo]

Uk money

 

[2-0-Sixx]

When convenient, let's say we are unifying:

Sanchez: Golovkin Will Go Anywhere To Face Carl Froch! - Boxing News

Even he knows moving up in weight classes create bigger fights.

Sanchez was responding to Eddie Hearn saying if Froch ever comes back, Golovkin is a name he's considering. The reporter asked him to comment on it and he did. They aren't talking about fighting Froch right this second, it's a hypothetical IF Froch ever comes back, would you fight him question.

Sanchez/Leoffler/GGG have consistently stated once they get their shot at the WBC belt and unify the division, moving up in weight is not a problem. Nothing has changed.

 

[battle619]

But this fight was supposed to happen last year

 

[2-0-Sixx]

But this fight was supposed to happen last year

It was never supposed to happen. They both talked about the idea of fighting but that's as far as it went and Froch retired. There was never any negotiations, just talk. Also, the only reason they flirted with the idea of that fight was because they couldn't land a significant fight in their own weight class. They couldn't get one unification fight or a meaningful fight, so they looked at Froch (and Chavez before he lost) as possible solutions to a big problem. Fortunately they eventually got a unification in Lemieux and are in line for the WBC belt next.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

@naner12 but those fighters still moved up in weight to make big fights, no matter what you say. @2-0-Sixx Yes, Rigo agreed to 126 vs Loma, but with a rehydration clause. Please don't skip that part out. That had nothing to do with Caribe nor his manager.

That wasn't an issue either since Lomachanko agreed with that stipulation. Not rehydrating more than 10 pounds is a rule for the IBF title and is something that should be adapted by all sanctioning bodies but that's a different topic. The fight, or any fight for that matter, didn't happen this year because of Rigondeaux's management/promotional issues.

 

[HERESY]

When convenient, let's say we are unifying:

Sanchez: Golovkin Will Go Anywhere To Face Carl Froch! - Boxing News

Even he knows moving up in weight classes create bigger fights.

Stupidity on your part.

Who is GGG most likely to make more money with. Froch who fights in front of 80,000 people or Andre Ward, the 2 p4p, who hasn't done shit in six fuckin years, fights guys in the top 30's, needs 10 tune up fights just to fight a top 10 opponent and can't sell out in Oakland?

 

[naner12]

@naner12 but those fighters still moved up in weight to make big fights, no matter what you say. @2-0-Sixx Yes, Rigo agreed to 126 vs Loma, but with a rehydration clause. Please don't skip that part out. That had nothing to do with Caribe nor his manager.

LMAO @ this. You made a ridiculously incorrect comment that those guys were stars because they were able to move around weight classes when it was 100% incorrect. Is Rigo's career over? How do you know that he's not going to fight in another weight class. Would you feel better if Rigo started out cutting a ton of weight only to move up to 122?

Such a dumb argument.

You know why people want to see Ward Vs. Kovalev and why HBO is willing to pay so much money for it? Because they've already made their names in their current division. Let's see how much they'd pressure Kovalev into moving up to CW and fighting any champion there, they likely wouldn't give a fuck cause there's no popular CW champion.

They'd probably pay just as much as if they could make Kovalev Vs. Stevenson and it's not because anyone would be moving up in weight.

Keep making random blanket incorrect statements though to back up your nonsense arguments. I don't how @2-0-Sixx has the patience to respond to everything.

 

[HERESY]

This nigga B @battle619 is one of the most delusional people on the net. Goddamn battle, chill.

 

[battle619]

Once these fighters moved up in weight classes and won, they became SUPERSTARS! Not just big name fighters. Ward and Kovalev are big name fighters, once they fight, Ward will move up in weight class, will more than likely win, and become a SUPERSTAR! Get it?

 

[battle619]

No I won't chill because you guys always ignore the business side of boxing all so you can call yourselves "boxing purists." I'm here to tell you guys that for boxers and promoters, it's all business. But depending on who is your favorite fighter, it's okay for that fighter to do this or that move.

 

[naner12]

Once these fighters moved up in weight classes and won, they became SUPERSTARS! Not just big name fighters. Ward and Kovalev are big name fighters, once they fight, Ward will move up in weight class, will more than likely win, and become a SUPERSTAR! Get it?

So you're saying Sugar Ray Leonard only became a superstar after he beat Hagler?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Once these fighters moved up in weight classes and won, they became SUPERSTARS! Not just big name fighters. Ward and Kovalev are big name fighters, once they fight, Ward will move up in weight class, will more than likely win, and become a SUPERSTAR! Get it?

How can you type that after naner already proved you wrong prior? Just completely disregarded his post. Sugar Ray was a SUPERSTAR long before he came out of a three year retirement to fight Hagler. Speaking of Hagler, he was a SUPERSTAR at middleweight. Hearns vs Hagler. Duran vs Hagler. Leonard vs Hagler. Common denominator is Hagler at 160.

Further, what are we talking about here? Rigondeaux, Golovkin or both? Rigondeaux is NEVER going to be a superstar. He could go all the way to heavyweight somehow and wouldn't be a superstar because his master technical style isn't mainstream friendly and he doesn't speak English. Golovkin, let's be brutally honest here - you ONLY want him to move up because you're defending Canelo being a pussy. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON! If Canelo was a guy named Leory signed with Al Haymon, you'd be all over him for ducking. But since you like the guy it's "Golovkin needs to move up" and "Canelo is the A-side, he can invent his own rules and fight in a weight class he invented!" even though these ARE THE SAME REASONS YOU SHITTED ON FLOYD FOR YEARS! Get real battle.

Bottom line is Golovkin in a unified middleweight champion, the winner of Canelo Cotto is the WBC/lineal champion of the middleweight division and Golovkin IS mandatory. If the winner refuses, it's a blatant duck, period.

 

[HERESY]

No I won't chill because you guys always ignore the business side of boxing all so you can call yourselves "boxing purists." I'm here to tell you guys that for boxers and promoters, it's all business. But depending on who is your favorite fighter, it's okay for that fighter to do this or that move.

How do we ignore the business side? I guess you forgot all the stuff I said about PBC before PBC was even announced? How it makes sense for Haymon to do his own thing, how he had to be signing those guys for a reason, etc. Everyone here talks about the business side battle, I don't know where you are getting this from.

Battle, you are the biggest Floyd and Haymon hater on the planet, and this is a very large planet. Now you're hating on GGG because you like Canelo but this fool Canelo fighting in a weight class he fuckin invented. So now we have 19 fuckin weight classed now.

Before Froch GGG has always said he wanted to unify the belts. He would fight Chavez and Froch because there is money there. Andre Ward, again, does not bring in money, so if you're looking at it from that point there is no need to fight him.

My take on the MW belt, is simple. Whoever wins should vacate and not campaign at MW. If you hold that belt it means you're campaigning there and if you campaign there you need to fight at that weight class. PERIOD.

 

[naner12]

Clearly Canelo is a superstar solely for his bold 1LB weight increase to fight Miguel Cotto. That's why that fights big, nothing to do with both of those guys already being immensely popular by boxing standards, nothing at all.

And 2-0, Hagler only fought at MW, therefore never a superstar. Just another scrub that never moved up and no one will remember.

 

[battle619]

Did I mention Hagler? NO. Where were SRL biggest paydays at? 160? Thank you. @2-0-Sixx asked what was the obsession with fighters moving up in weight class, correct? I said everyone likes to see p4p fighters get challenged or challenge themselves. Plus, once they do that there is obviously more money involved. I brought up SRL because i'm letting him know that with risks, come reward, and this has been known since before we were born

 

[HERESY]

Did I mention Hagler? NO. Where were SRL biggest paydays at? 160? Thank you. @2-0-Sixx asked what was the obsession with fighters moving up in weight class, correct? I said everyone likes to see p4p fighters get challenged or challenge themselves. Plus, once they do that there is obviously more money involved. I brought up SRL because i'm letting him know that with risks, come reward, and this has been known since before we were born

What part about being an established name do you not get?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Did I mention Hagler? NO. Where were SRL biggest paydays at? 160? Thank you. @2-0-Sixx asked what was the obsession with fighters moving up in weight class, correct? I said everyone likes to see p4p fighters get challenged or challenge themselves. Plus, once they do that there is obviously more money involved. I brought up SRL because i'm letting him know that with risks, come reward, and this has been known since before we were born

But its not about challenges when it comes to Golovkin since you're excusing Canelo from a preemptive duck. If it's about seeing the best challenges then why wouldn't you want to see Canelo fight his mandatory in Golovkin? Instead you make excuses for Canelo and say GGG "needs" to move up (but Canelo doesn't have to of course!).

I have no problem with a Golovkin vs Ward fight myself, it's an interesting match up but A). It literally can't happen anytime soon since Ward is fighting tune ups (Paul Smith, Alexander Brand this month and a TBA next year) and B). Golovkin is trying to unify with his mandatory position.

So you keep saying Golovkin should move up, but to fight who? He can't fight Ward, Froch is retired, Kessler is retired, which leaves who exactly? Degale? Groves? Right, there isn't anyone worth fighting right now especially considering Golovkin has the WBC next. So literally the best option for Golovkin is to stay put and then he can move up if he likes.