Boxing News Thread

[2-0-Sixx]

I wish Taylor the best. I don't think he should be fighting though.


After the Abraham fight:

An MRI revealed the reason Taylor's short-term memory was misfiring: a minor subdural hematoma, or brain bleed, the primary cause of death in boxing. Taylor's case wasn't fatal, but the doctors gave him what felt like its own kind of death sentence. "They said with the type of concussion I had, you can never fight again -- ever," he says.​

This was from Oct 2011 when they gave him his license back:

Neurologist Dr. Margaret Goodman, a former ringside physician, said the Nevada State Athletic Commission is “playing Russian roulette” with Jermain Taylor’s “life and future” by granting him a license two years after he suffered a brain bleed in a knockout loss to Arthur Abraham.

“I think it is unconscionable that Jermain was relicensed,’’ said Goodman, who did not attend the hearing two weeks ago in Las Vegas. “It is not about whether his brain has healed or how he looked in the gym.

“Jermain has shown a predisposition to cerebral hemorrhage, and irrespective of whether or not he bled, he has shown he cannot adequately handle a punch.’’​

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Taylor vs Soliman is confirmed.

I wonder how much money Al Haymon is paying Soliman, I mean Soliman has to know he's being flown to the US to hopefully lose to Taylor so Taylor can be relevant again. If it goes the distance scorecards aren't going to be accurate.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. It just hit me. Al Haymon's master plan.

Soliman is the IBF MW champion. He only has 18 KO's in 56 fights. Chances are, Taylor can go the distance and get a decision maybe with a little help. Jermain Taylor is new IBF champ. Who else is an Al Haymon fighter that only fights on Showtime? Peter Quillin. The WBO title holder. This is all a big plan to set up Taylor vs Quillin so that Quillin can be a unified (two belt titler holder) in the division without having to fight anyone good!

 

[Coach E. No]

Soliman is still a bit of a rough dude in the ring though man. I would still favor him to beat Taylor. I wonder where this fight is going be held? I would think a lot of commissions wouldn't even license Taylor. What sucks is, he's always stuttered, so it's hard to know how bad his speech is slurred.

 

[naner12]

I would bet everything I own that unless something shows up strange on his medicals that every commission in the US would license Taylor. The guy that floored Taylor in the 9th on Showtime hasn't lost since and is likely to get a good fight down the line.

People can knock him cause he's had some bad KO losses, but he was beating Froch and would've won a decision against him had he stayed upright 10 more seconds and he won some rounds against Abraham before suffering a KO loss in the 12th. I don't think he's ever gonna be the guy that beat Hopkins but he definitely has a chance to beat Soliman.

 

[Coach E. No]

I think he's toast man. A dude that beat BHOP twice should've been able to ice Truax, easily. Look at his fights since Abraham. He ko'd a dude that had only beaten dudes with better than a .500 record a few times in his career and had already been ko'd by F. Guerrero. Then he got dropped hard by Truax in that fight. His last 2 fights, since 2012, have been against guys with a combined record of 55-27-5. Both of which were coming off of 2 consecutive losses and 3 of those 4 between them were ko losses. I really think Taylor is done.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Yeah he was beating Froch, then got KO'd. Then brutally KOd by Abraham and had some brain bleed. Now, he's had some time to rest and that's very good. Still, the history of concussions are there. Against Soliman, sure not a huge risk. Peter Quillin though... that's dangerous and if their planning that on NYC after what happened to Mago just recently, that's irresponsible imo. And that's what Haymon is planning (Soliman vs Taylor going to be in New York. Why? To build the Quillin fight who fights out of NY).

This of course can only happen provided Quillin beats his mandatory in Korobov which was ordered by the WBO and I see no reason why Quillin shouldn't win that fight.

 

[Coach E. No]

And it wasn't like he was just dominating Froch and lost by some fluke KO. Same for Abraham. Those guys were coming on and landing more regularly and caught up with him. Same thing happened in the Pavlik fight. Taylor had his moments, or led the fight even, but he wears down and gets knocked out.

I told my ex when I was watching the Froch fight that I was surprised that Taylor was winning going into the 12th and he was still sitting on the stool. I told her "I have a bad feeling Taylor is about to get knocked out though." He was tired, and Froch was coming on and catching up to him. I couldn't believe I called it, but the writing was on the wall. The Abraham fight was less surprising, and really kinda sad at that point. His lights were all the way out, again.

 

[naner12]

So he called his former trainer Pat Burns, who was fired during Taylor’s original middleweight title run, to see if they could work together again.

“No, no, no,” Burns said. Taylor flew to Miami to persuade him. Burns wanted Taylor to undergo neurological tests before he would commit to working with him. Taylor said he had been tested in his home state, Arkansas, but Burns still was not convinced the fighter was fit for a return.

Instead, Burns persuaded Taylor to visit the Mayo Clinic. He sent him to the Cleveland Clinic, and the stringent Nevada Athletic Commission. All three cleared Taylor to fight. “We’re ready to go, right?” Burns said an eager Taylor had asked him after the testing was complete. “Nope,” Burns said. “We’re going to take another six months off.”

Taylor couldn't KO 154lbers after beating Hopkins don't know what not stopping Truax has to do with anything. I'm not saying Taylor is gonna tear up the scene, he's 35, hasn't been fighting top competition, but I think all the over the top concern is just overblown. Boxing's dangerous man, it's always been. He's passed his physicals since, he got cleared in California which is a tough commission.

It's no different than any other past his prime champion that's been stopped/knocked out that keeps going. Would I rather him retire, sure, but that's his choice. It'd be different if he hadn't gone through it to get himself cleared and was fighting in random ass states with no tests.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Matter of fact Soliman vs Taylor could end up on the same card as Quillin vs Korobov, which goes to a purse bid on August 18th. Soliman vs Taylor they're talking about November or December. Obviously Soliman-Taylor can't headline a card here in the US on Showtime so likely put together as co feature.

 

[naner12]

And it wasn't like he was just dominating Froch and lost by some fluke KO. Same for Abraham. Those guys were coming on and landing more regularly and caught up with him. Same thing happened in the Pavlik fight. Taylor had his moments, or led the fight even, but he wears down and gets knocked out.

I told my ex when I was watching the Froch fight that I was surprised that Taylor was winning going into the 12th and he was still sitting on the stool. I told her "I have a bad feeling Taylor is about to get knocked out though." He was tired, and Froch was coming on and catching up to him. I couldn't believe I called it, but the writing was on the wall. The Abraham fight was less surprising, and really kinda sad at that point. His lights were all the way out, again.

Again, I never said he was dominating the Froch fight but look up the scores and he would've won which is what I said. And I never said he was going to do great, but he's not going out there and getting his shit kicked for 12 rounds for post to post and he's passed every physical he's taken, so I'm sure not gonna tell the guy he shouldn't be in the ring and I'm sure not gonna say that Sam Soliman is a guaranteed to beat him either.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Taylor couldn't KO 154lbers after beating Hopkins don't know what not stopping Truax has to do with anything. I'm not saying Taylor is gonna tear up the scene, he's 35, hasn't been fighting top competition, but I think all the over the top concern is just overblown. Boxing's dangerous man, it's always been. He's passed his physicals since, he got cleared in California which is a tough commission.

It's no different than any other past his prime champion that's been stopped/knocked out that keeps going. Would I rather him retire, sure, but that's his choice. It'd be different if he hadn't gone through it to get himself cleared and was fighting in random ass states with no tests.

I have no doubt he's been medically cleared. They clear lot's of guys. Edwin Valero lost his license after his motorcycle accident and scans showed he had suffered brain bleed. Eventually he was cleared in the states and the rest of his life turned out marvellous lol. What I'm saying though is after you suffer multiple concussions, that's it, you're more likely to suffer concussions again. Just like in the NFL a guy is fine his whole career, gets major a concussion next thing you know he has three or four in a couple seasons and his career is over. There's no coming back from that. What I'm saying is Taylor's punch resistance is gone. I think he's suffered two if not three major concussions.

 

[Coach E. No]

I know, I thought he was winning the fight as well, but I thought he was going to get knocked out and did. Sam beat Sturm twice out of his last three fights. That's a better run than Taylor has gone on since before he lost to Pavlik. I wouldn't be surprised to see Taylor lose 8+ rounds, if not ko'd

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Again, I never said he was dominating the Froch fight but look up the scores and he would've won which is what I said. And I never said he was going to do great, but he's not going out there and getting his shit kicked for 12 rounds for post to post and he's passed every physical he's taken, so I'm sure not gonna tell the guy he shouldn't be in the ring and I'm sure not gonna say that Sam Soliman is a guaranteed to beat him either.

He shouldn't be ranked so high by the IBF though (15). He shouldn't be in this position.

 

[Coach E. No]

There is no medical proof as far as I know, but I have a strong suspicion that once you're ko'd, the likelihood increases that you'll be ko'd again and probably often after that as it relates to a head shot causing the ko.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

There is medical proof. Read about concussions, major concussions and the likelihood of suffering another after. This has all been medically documented and exposed with the NFL and the lawsuits. The same applies for boxing (when we're talking about concussive KO's, which Taylor suffered at least two the last one against Abraham was a major concussion).

 

[naner12]

I have no doubt he's been medically cleared. They clear lot's of guys. Edwin Valero lost his license after his motorcycle accident and scans showed he had suffered brain bleed. Eventually he was cleared in the states and the rest of his life turned out marvellous lol. What I'm saying though is after you suffer multiple concussions, that's it, you're more likely to suffer concussions again. Just like in the NFL a guy is fine his whole career, gets major a concussion next thing you know he has three or four in a couple seasons and his career is over. There's no coming back from that. What I'm saying is Taylor's punch resistance is gone. I think he's suffered two if not three major concussions.

Valero is obviously an extreme case. Amonsot suffered a brain injury in his fight with Katsidis, still fights and last I've checked he hasn't killed his wife or anyone.

I agree with you on what you said, but these guys know the risks when they step in there. I don't think anyone has illusions that boxing is safe and I definitely don't like seeing guys late in life unable to speak properly and not remembering anything, but I'm also not going tell a guy he shouldn't go out there and get paid when he's been cleared and knows the risks. You brought up Magomed who had no history of anything before that night, it's unfortunate but that's the sport.

 

[Coach E. No]

There is medical proof. Read about concussions, major concussions and the likelihood of suffering another after. This has all been medically documented and exposed with the NFL and the lawsuits. The same applies for boxing (when we're talking about concussive KO's, which Taylor suffered at least two the last one against Abraham was a major concussion).

I meant without the concussive knockouts. I wrote an article addressing some of those concerns and sent a letter to John McCain hoping that maybe somehow a nationwide commission would be formed. He and Harry Reid actually brought up the idea a little over a year ago I think to protect boxers (in some ways). I'm big on fighter safety.

And I really think the fighter shouldn't be left with the decision. There are shady doctors out there and incompetent ringside physicians/trainers/refs etc... They either don't know the signs or they are ignoring them in a lot of these cases where fighters get seriously hurt.

Valero couldn't get licensed to fight ANYWHERE in the U.S. because of the prior brain bleeding incident, yet Taylor fights on. What's the difference?

And there is a HUGE history of people with a history of brain damage going on to commit heinous acts. Valero wasn't the only one. A lot of the time, the dudes kill themselves like a grip of former NFL players. Or even WWF/E athletes, like Chris Benoit. If a dude is at that point where he's going to flip out and kill himself or his family, he shouldn't be fighting. It's his life and all, but if the dude that's fighting him ends up killing him because the doctors failed, that's not cool.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Valero is obviously an extreme case. Amonsot suffered a brain injury in his fight with Katsidis, still fights and last I've checked he hasn't killed his wife or anyone.

I agree with you on what you said, but these guys know the risks when they step in there. I don't think anyone has illusions that boxing is safe and I definitely don't like seeing guys late in life unable to speak properly and not remembering anything, but I'm also not going tell a guy he shouldn't go out there and get paid when he's been cleared and knows the risks. You brought up Magomed who had no history of anything before that night, it's unfortunate but that's the sport.

I was teasing about Valero turning out great. Head trauma, mixed with his drug and alcohol addictions plus his inner demon's all combined to that shit.

Listen, I know this sport is brutal, people die, brains turn to mush, etc. Taylor knows that. He's open about it (when asked then why does he continue his answer was "because I don't know how to do anything else"). My thing is this - do you want to see Quillin or Golovkin vs Taylor? Cus that's where we are headed. If Taylor wants to fight hey Thats his life but I'm not cool with the likes of Al Haymon using him to add to the resume of a big power puncher that he's trying to build up. I'm not cool with the IBF ranking him top 15 for beating no one. Roy Jones wants ot fight in Russia and Latvia and Poland, cool, it's sad but it's his life. I just don't like to see guys like this getting title shots without doing a damn thing.

 

[naner12]

Valero suffered his brain injury in 2001, fought in Texas and people including many on this forum were talking about him fighting Pacquiao. Hindsight is awesome.