[BOXING] Boxing Tripple-Header on HBO - Margarito, Cintron & Gatti
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Yeah I'd also take Jones over Trinidad. Trinidad has been too inactive. By the time he's ready to fight Jones, it will be nearly 3 years since his last fight. Jones by UD or possibly late KO!
I think he has a better shot than Margarito. Cotto, imo, is a harder hitter than Margarito and although I see Cotto struggling with Paul's style early, I think eventually the hard hits will land and put him down. It would definitely be an interesting fight thats for sure. Pretty much anyone one against Williams in that division would be an interesting fight just because of his lengthy body and awkward style, but I do see holes in Williams and he is definitely beatable (his chin still seems a bit suspect to me). I don't want to take anything away from Williams either, he fought the perfect fight on Saturday and if fights like that all the time, it will be difficult for any of the top ranked fighters.
Regardless, the Welterweight division is by far the most completive and most exciting right now. Pretty much anyone vs anyone would be a good fight.
MAYWEATHER
COTTO
MOSLEY
WILLIAMS
MARGARITO
CINTRON
CLOTTEY
JUDAH
BALDOMIR
COLLAZO
URKAL
GOMEZ
So what's your honest opinion on the fight this saturday???
Yeah I'd also take Jones over Trinidad. Trinidad has been too inactive. By the time he's ready to fight Jones, it will be nearly 3 years since his last fight. Jones by UD or possibly late KO!
I think he has a better shot than Margarito. Cotto, imo, is a harder hitter than Margarito and although I see Cotto struggling with Paul's style early, I think eventually the hard hits will land and put him down. It would definitely be an interesting fight thats for sure. Pretty much anyone one against Williams in that division would be an interesting fight just because of his lengthy body and awkward style, but I do see holes in Williams and he is definitely beatable (his chin still seems a bit suspect to me). I don't want to take anything away from Williams either, he fought the perfect fight on Saturday and if fights like that all the time, it will be difficult for any of the top ranked fighters.
Regardless, the Welterweight division is by far the most completive and most exciting right now. Pretty much anyone vs anyone would be a good fight.
MAYWEATHER
COTTO
MOSLEY
WILLIAMS
MARGARITO
CINTRON
CLOTTEY
JUDAH
BALDOMIR
COLLAZO
URKAL
GOMEZ
So what's your honest opinion on the fight this saturday???
I don't know if theres any welterweight @ the moment that could figure out the Paul Williams puzzle. He just creates too many stylistic matchup problems.
Its one thing that he's got about a 6 inch height/reach advantage over just about everyone else in the division. ( Cotto is only 5'7 ) But his punch output is insane...and if you're not throwing him, chances are you're not outlanding him either. You can't beat the man from outside, a la Floyd Mayweather, he's too damn tall, and knows how to use his jab/height...he's got a really solid inside game, and good enough chin to take shots from one of the, if not the hardest hitter in the division. Plus, he's a really slick southpaw, that has good footwork, and suprisingly good balance for someone his height. Might not have loads of power, but he's going to outpoint you, simply by his volume of punches...and its also hard to throw punches when you're busy blocking them.
I was really impressed after re-watching Saturday's fight. This kid looks good. The only thing that was iffy to me about him, before the fight, was his chin, and it definitely didn't look like glass on Saturday. He took some clean shots, and kept pressing.
Its one thing that he's got about a 6 inch height/reach advantage over just about everyone else in the division. ( Cotto is only 5'7 ) But his punch output is insane...and if you're not throwing him, chances are you're not outlanding him either. You can't beat the man from outside, a la Floyd Mayweather, he's too damn tall, and knows how to use his jab/height...he's got a really solid inside game, and good enough chin to take shots from one of the, if not the hardest hitter in the division. Plus, he's a really slick southpaw, that has good footwork, and suprisingly good balance for someone his height. Might not have loads of power, but he's going to outpoint you, simply by his volume of punches...and its also hard to throw punches when you're busy blocking them.
I was really impressed after re-watching Saturday's fight. This kid looks good. The only thing that was iffy to me about him, before the fight, was his chin, and it definitely didn't look like glass on Saturday. He took some clean shots, and kept pressing.
^^You don't think he looks a little uncoordinated? There were numerous times he seemed a bit wobbly to me and as a result, left himself in some vulnerable positions. Margarito just didn't do a great job of taking advantage of those situations, imo.
But I agree with you - he is a tough match up for anyone in the division.
But I agree with you - he is a tough match up for anyone in the division.
Cotto is a hard puncher, just not sure if he hits harder than Margarito though.
But I'm certain that he's a better body puncher and that's what got Margarito back in the fight against Williams.
Williams has a huge height and reach advantage over Cotto, and that is going to present a big obstacle for Cotto (he's probably Cotto's toughest fight at welterweight).
But who knows, if he cuts off the ring effectively and doesn't allow himself to get tied up inside, Cotto can wear Williams down.
I think these two guys are the best in the division (minus Mayweather) and I would love to see them fight each other over anyone else.
If it weren't for the fact that the fight is being fought at the catch weight of 175 lbs, I would say that it's a pick'em.
Winky is very effective behind his defense. We all know B-Hop is calm and cool and loves to counter. But Winky is the only offensive minded defensive fighter I have ever seen (if that makes any sense).
Winky comes in with his hands high in his defensive shell and presses his opponents. This "could" give B-Hop some trouble, but at 175?
Winky is way out of his neck of the woods. He's just not going to be strong enough to impose his will on Hopkins. Actually, his pressure will only make it easier for Hopkins.
I'm picking B-Hop by UD.
What about you?
But I'm certain that he's a better body puncher and that's what got Margarito back in the fight against Williams.
Williams has a huge height and reach advantage over Cotto, and that is going to present a big obstacle for Cotto (he's probably Cotto's toughest fight at welterweight).
But who knows, if he cuts off the ring effectively and doesn't allow himself to get tied up inside, Cotto can wear Williams down.
I think these two guys are the best in the division (minus Mayweather) and I would love to see them fight each other over anyone else.
If it weren't for the fact that the fight is being fought at the catch weight of 175 lbs, I would say that it's a pick'em.
Winky is very effective behind his defense. We all know B-Hop is calm and cool and loves to counter. But Winky is the only offensive minded defensive fighter I have ever seen (if that makes any sense).
Winky comes in with his hands high in his defensive shell and presses his opponents. This "could" give B-Hop some trouble, but at 175?
Winky is way out of his neck of the woods. He's just not going to be strong enough to impose his will on Hopkins. Actually, his pressure will only make it easier for Hopkins.
I'm picking B-Hop by UD.
What about you?
I got B-Hop by UD as well, but admit I'm biased. If I try to look at it through the eyes of a sports gambler and put my admiration for the Executioner aside - I think because of the weight (I believe the catch weight is 170), I'd still have to give a slight advantage to Hopkins.
Although the same was said about Hopkins vs Tarver; Hopkins wouldn't have power at a higher weight class, so I guess we will just have to see how Winky looks.
I have a feeling it's going to be more exciting then people think though and the middle rounds will be full of action. I cant wait!
As for Cotto, you're right about him being a better body puncher than Margarito and I think if he's smart he will learn from Margarito's mistakes and try to work the body early to wear Williams down.
Although the same was said about Hopkins vs Tarver; Hopkins wouldn't have power at a higher weight class, so I guess we will just have to see how Winky looks.
I have a feeling it's going to be more exciting then people think though and the middle rounds will be full of action. I cant wait!
As for Cotto, you're right about him being a better body puncher than Margarito and I think if he's smart he will learn from Margarito's mistakes and try to work the body early to wear Williams down.
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You're right, 175 is the actual light heavyweight limit so 170 has got to be the catch weight. Even so, Winky was a small 160 to begin with.
Plus he's never been a fighter that depends on size, so I don't expect the added weight to help him in any way.
At first I thought this fight would be a bore fest but then I remembered that Winky loves to press his opponents. This means that he's going to make B-Hop fight even more so than he did against Tarver.
Still, I think Golden Boy's asking too much by making this fight a pay-per-view event....
You're right, 175 is the actual light heavyweight limit so 170 has got to be the catch weight. Even so, Winky was a small 160 to begin with.
Plus he's never been a fighter that depends on size, so I don't expect the added weight to help him in any way.
At first I thought this fight would be a bore fest but then I remembered that Winky loves to press his opponents. This means that he's going to make B-Hop fight even more so than he did against Tarver.
Still, I think Golden Boy's asking too much by making this fight a pay-per-view event....
Paul Williams needs to move up a weight class, its cheating to me to gain 17 pounds after the weigh in. If he fights someone his own size that is real good he will get ko'd.
I think Hopkins is gonna take this even though Winky is a good puncher. Winky aint as intimidating as Taylor is even though Taylor is not that good to me. Its definitely gonna be a good fight and i think Hopkins actually has a good shot at dropping Winky.
I think Hopkins is gonna take this even though Winky is a good puncher. Winky aint as intimidating as Taylor is even though Taylor is not that good to me. Its definitely gonna be a good fight and i think Hopkins actually has a good shot at dropping Winky.
^Hesitant to say but I think that's the main reason Hopkins let those two fights with Taylor slip away. Forgive me for saying it, but he was a wee bit intimidated by his power(though overrated) and aggression. Hopkins figured him out late in the first fight but I guess it was too late, even though I thought B-Hop won. Winky however, will only add to Hopkins' confidence, which has since went through the roof since he beat the man at LHW..
Its not cheating at all. The reason why is because its so risky, sure you could make weight, the problem is doing so, and not losing any strength in the process. Dehydrating/Rehydrating is a science.
People have been known to drop 20+ pounds in between the time of weigh in, and fight night.
I've actually read that Bob Arum says there will be no Cotto-Williams fight. I'd still like to see Cotto-Margarito. I honestly don't think any less of Marg after the fight, it was just a horrible matchup for him stylewise.
And Cotto would get slaughtered by Williams, IMO. Sure, he's a great body puncher, and he's one of the best at cutting off the ring. But with such a huge size disadvantage for him, there is no way he will be walking Williams down, who will likely keep him at arm's length the whole fight, and really make Cotto look bad.
Cotto is not nearly as effective when he's being backed up. And it would be very difficult for him to get his feet in position to get any sort of power, while trying to fend off the barrage {sp?} of punches that Paul throws.
Cotto is not nearly as effective when he's being backed up. And it would be very difficult for him to get his feet in position to get any sort of power, while trying to fend off the barrage {sp?} of punches that Paul throws.
Gatti-Gamache comes to mind. Edit: Maybe I read what you said wrong, Gatti gained something like 20 pounds from after the weigh in until fight time. It was also because of this fight that boxing legislatures tried to push for a limit to how high a fighter can come in on fight night. Brutal fight by the way.
I actually thought Margarito-Williams was a closer fight than some people on here have made it seem. I thought he slipped/blocked a lot of the shots that Williams threw and I don't think he was getting enough credit for his body work. It's true he came on late but I thought he won at least 5 of the last 8 rounds. I read an article somewhere saying that more than a few of the press row scorers and boxing writers had Margarito winning the fight. I'll see if I can find it.
I actually thought Margarito-Williams was a closer fight than some people on here have made it seem. I thought he slipped/blocked a lot of the shots that Williams threw and I don't think he was getting enough credit for his body work. It's true he came on late but I thought he won at least 5 of the last 8 rounds. I read an article somewhere saying that more than a few of the press row scorers and boxing writers had Margarito winning the fight. I'll see if I can find it.