Bob Arum Tells Floyd Mayweather, Schaefer: "Go To Hell!"

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Tony

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Well there are always two sides to a story. Now that we've heard Mayweather's part.... he did somewhat compromise and cave in some.

"Before the mediation, my team proposed a 14-day, no blood testing window leading up to the fight. But it was rejected," Mayweather said. "I am still proposing the 14-day window but he is still unwilling to agree to it, even though this is obviously a fair compromise on my part as I wanted the testing to be up until the fight and he wanted a 30 day cutoff. The truth is he just doesn't want to take the tests."
 
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it's funny to me that mayweather says he wants to whoop his ass AFTER the fight is called off. No one heard anything about the 14 days. Floyd says he brought that to Pac before the mediation but there is no record of 14 days.

Team Pacquiao, Arum Slam Mayweather's 14-day Story

By Ronnie Nathanielsz

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum has slammed the latest proposal by Floyd Mayweather Jr asking pound-for-pound king and boxing hero Manny Pacquiao to agree to a blood test, 14 days before their planned March 13 mega fight at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

Arum told BoxingScene.com, insidesports.ph, Standard Today and Viva Sports that “after the horses leave the barn and they rejected Manny’s 24 days offer he now comes up with the 14 days which is totally unacceptable” although Mayweather, in a statement on boxingscene.com claimed that “before the mediation my team proposed a 14 day, no blood-testing window leading up to the fight and it was rejected”

However, Team Pacquiao vehemently disputed Mayweather’s claim even as we learned that no such proposal was offered even during the mediation talks let alone before.

Mayweather said he is still proposing the 14-day window but that Pacquiao is still unwilling to agree to it, “even though this is obviously a fair compromise on my part as I wanted the testing to be up until the fight and he wanted a 30-day cut-off. The truth is he just doesn't want to take the tests. ”

Here again Team Pacquiao said it was a falsehood since they had agreed to bring forward the cutoff date to 24 from the original 30 for the blood test proposed by the Mayweather camp..

Arum stressed that the Mayweather proposal was made after the mediation efforts of former federal judge Daniel Weinstein had failed to get the two sides to agree on a cutoff date and the blood testing procedure pointing out that “this is not a swap thing among a bunch of kids.”

Arum made it clear that the initial position of Pacquiao was that he would agree to a blood test one day before the kickoff press conference, a second test 30 days before the fight and a third in the dressing room immediately after the fight.

He said “we agreed to go to 24 days before the fight for the blood test but he rejected it and that’s it. Its over.”

Arum feels that since Mayweather has been getting a bad press where the majority are blaming him for the collapse of a fight that millions wanted to happen, he is trying to turn things around but that “it's not working.”

In typical fashion Mayweather in his statement said "First and foremost, not only do I want to fight Manny Pacquiao, I want to whip his punk ass.”

Pacquiao’s adviser Michael Koncz branded the Mayweather statement as “both humorous and ludicrous all in one.” Koncz revealed it he had been told by experts that any performance enhancing drugs “will be in your blood 40 days before the fight or the day after the fight. Whatever is there is there for that time period. So what the hell does 14 days have to do with it? Nothing other than to irritate Manny knowing that he has whatever, a fear or a superstition of extracting blood less than 30 days.”

With Arum insisting that the fight is off and blaming Mayweather for the failure of the mediation efforts of retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, Team Pacquiao is moving ahead to schedule a good, competitive fight either on March 13 or 20 in Las Vegas.
The original proposal for Pacquiao to go after an eighth world title against 154 pound champion Yuri Foreman has been turned down by Pacquiao himself simply because Foreman is much taller than him besides being much heavier. Australia’s Michael Katsidis was also ruled out as nothing more than a tune-up fight with no real value and would be hard to market..

Koncz said while a possible trilogy with Juan Manuel Marquez was “thrown into the mix” he had discussed it with Pacquiao Friday morning before they flew to Pacquiao’s hometown of General Santos City and they agreed that “the entertainment value I don’t think is there. Manny has nothing to prove by fighting Marquez because we beat him twice. If he fights him ten times, all ten fights will end in controversy because of the styles of the two fighters for some reason, they happen. There is no entertainment value there. They fought twice and couldn’t beat the 430,000 pay-per-view numbers.”

As for Paulie Malignaggi who has joined the Mayweather chorus in alleging that Pacquiao is on some performance enhancing drug Koncz said “the fans will boo throughout because he will jab and run.”

The top choice subject to Pacquiao’s approval, is Joshua Clottey who many people believe beat Miguel Cotto in their WBO title fight but lost the decision. Koncz told us that he doesn’t wish to emphasize that its Clottey right now because no decisions have been made although he did admit that Clottey is “a good enough fighter and Manny and I both think he beat Cotto and I think he is marketable. But we have to work on the financial terms” even as he didn’t foresee a problem since Clottey is promoted by Top Rank.

Retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein who spent nine hours on Tuesday with representatives of Pacquiao and Mayweather in an effort to break the impasse over blood testing issued a statement to set the record straight in which he stated: a. Both parties participated in the mediation in good faith. Both parties participated in many hours of negotiation, with a number of proposals issued by each side and carefully considered by the parties and their representatives. b. The Mediator himself did not formulate, recommend or issue a Mediator's Proposal. The Mediator did not make an evaluation or finding that any one of the many proposals considered by the parties was the correct protocol. C. Any attempt to characterize the mediation process as an acceptance or rejection by any of the parties of a mediator's or an arbiter's proposal or of any specific proposal is false and D. in the end, the parties could not agree on a testing protocol acceptable to all.​
 

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Well now that Mayweather has said pubicly that he agrees to the 14 day no blood testing window why doesn't Manny agree to it?

There is record of 14-days now.... this fight has to happen. There is a lot of bad blood. I'm still taking Mayweather (maybe by knockout if the fight happens).

It's looking like Manny and Arum are playing games and they're trying to blame Mayweather and call him scary.

First Mayweather wanted the testing to be done all the way up until the fight and Manny wanted the cut off to be 30 days. So Mayweather proposed to cut it in half and it looks like Manny still doesn't want to do it.
 
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Pacquia's compromise was to take random blood tests up to 30 days, then 24 days and of course after the fight.

That's the part you fail to understand - that was the compromise since that is far more testing than what is normally done in a fight.

If pacquiao wasn't compromising, he wouldn't agree to any random blood tests, since that's not required.

Mayweather should take what he can get, but he didn't and the fights off. Bob Arum & Floyd have had bad blood for YEARS and many people accurately predicted this fight would never get made as a result. they hate eachother.

So it's Pacquiao vs Clottey on March 13th or March 20th. Mayweather vs Paulie the guido around the same time. Who's taking on the bigger challenge?
 

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Pacquiao is taking the bigger challenge. Clottey maybe too big for Pac.

But anyway Pac should agree to the 14 day cut off, that's two weeks before the fight he doesn't have to have blood drawn.
 
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Well I agree pac should have taken that 14 day proposal if it was proposed at all, which we do not know. Mayweather claims this after the fight was officially ruled dead and after both parties moved on. 14 days is fine with me, as a fan, but I have no idea if that was proposed.
 
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The fact that they didn't say anything until after the majority of fans laid the blame on Mayweather, makes it look like damage control more than anything else.


It seems like more people are looking at the root of the problem for the fight not happneing, which was Floyd's demands for the whole blood testing shit anyways.
 

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They're basically negotiation in public now. I believe Mayweather to tell you the truth. He's getting defensive because they're blaming him for the fight being off even though he has compromised a bit. Manny might agree to the 14-days, I think it's Arum and his dislike for Mayweather.
 
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Really Tony?

Since when has Mayweather had this credibility?

He is constantly contradicting himself, and making himself look like a moron.
 

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this was taken from boxing message board and I agree with it.

"I don't think Floyds being unreasonable. This shouldn't have even gone to mediation. Read the statement, is says, "Before the mediation, my team proposed a 14-day, no-blood-testing window." That means Pac could have accepted that before they even went into mediation. During the mediation Pac countered with 24, and Floyd said no. If all this is true, Pac is the one who's bitching out."

Floyd has agreed to: the 8 oz gloves, the proposed date by Manny of March 13th, a 50/50 split, and has agreed to be fined million(s) for coming in overweight.

Now all Manny has to do is agree to the 14-day cut off date and he won't do it.
 

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Well if this is true, then Arum didn't deny it. Copy and pasted from another website.

Here's what Arum has to say about it on usatoday and I quote:

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"Floyd Mayweather can say whatever he now wants to say, but his actions over the last several weeks demonstrate that he didn't want to get in the ring against Pacquiao. He made excuse after excuse, and when put to the test, he chose to flee rather than fight.

"I've been in this business for almost 50 years. I've handled some of the greatest Hall of Fame fighters — Ali, Foreman, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Leonard — they argue about this, they argue about that, but every fighter agrees to be bound by the rules and regulations of the athletic commission in which the fight is to take place. That's been the historic basis for this sport, and I made a terrible, terrible mistake at trying to appease this egomaniac kid.

"When he started with the special blood-testing, we should've told him 'goodbye, forget about it, if you want to fight, the fight's in Nevada, the commission will regulate it.' You don't appease. I made a fundamental mistake. In order to get this fight the public wanted, I appeased an egomaniac by talking to him about blood testing. And that was stupid on my part."
 
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floyd is going to get boo'd so bad at his next fight i mean he already does cuz whatever fans he does have damn sure dont pay to see him live lol hes gonna feel the backlash real bad for being a pussy... this fight will happen probably around september the hype will probably double and after both of them realize the chump change there going to make by fighting anyone else but themselves then all this non-sense and bullshit will end.

but fuck floyd.
 
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@Tony,

L.A times is reporting that Richard Schaefer of Golden Boy told the L.A times that the 14-day cutoff date was never communicated to Pacquiao. So either that means Bob Arum never asked pacquiao the offer or turned it down himself w/o pacquio's permission, or it never happened in the negotiations.

Also, we forget these meetings that took place weren't only about the fight, there were other matters including the lawsuit, and quite possible more important, bob arums attempt at having Golden Boy removed from earning small percentages from Pacquiao's fights. With arum accusing golden boy of hurting pacquiao's image with steroid statements, it helps arum's argument that golden boy should not be able to represent pacquiao in any way, since they are deliberately hurting his image. Basically this shit is very complicated. It's possible arum was more interested in the latter than actually getting the fight made since he declared the fight dead long before.
 
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Floyd Mayweather Jr.: Pound-for-pound Pretender?

By Brandon Desmond - He’s brash, he’s talented, he’s flamboyant, and he is undefeated. His boxing skills are the stuff of legend, and he’ll tell you himself that he’s the best boxer in the world. In fact, he’ll tell you he’s one of the greatest of all time if you keep listening. And I will admit that there was a time when this writer bought into it. And now, in the wake of broken down negotiations for what would have potentially been the richest and most anticipated bout in Boxing history (against Manny Pacquiao), Floyd Mayweather Jr. will still claim that he is the number 1 pound-for-pound fighter on Earth, despite blowing yet another opportunity to prove it beyond a doubt. At this point, even Floyd’s loudest and most loyal supporters should be able to deduce what I have: He has absolutely no legitimate claim to that title.

Before I really make my case, I want to make sure we are all clear on the definition of “Pound-for-pound.” If a fighter is on the pound-for-pound list at all, he has proved that he has the heart, determination, and skills that it takes to defeat top fighters within reasonable (in some cases, beyond reasonable) vicinity of his own comfortable weight class. This means that the fighter has to be willing to move up and/or down, sometimes two or three divisions, to take on and defeat those divisions’ top fighters.. Furthermore, to be considered number 1 on the pound-for-pound list, that fighter must prove that he can do this better than anyone else in the world. Of course, everyone’s list is subjective as there is no true scientific measure of heart, determination, and skills. So any p4p list must be accompanied by solid arguments and explanations as to why each fighter made it on. In stead of giving you my list, I will present to you why I think Floyd Mayweather Jr. has a lot to accomplish before he can really call himself the true pound-for-pound king.

The Pacquiao fiasco is only the most recent and egregious example. Mayweather will tell you himself that in order to be the best, you must fight and beat the best. He has done nothing of the sort. What he has done is cherry-pick opponents who he knows would be overmatched in one way or another. To back up my point, here is a look at Floyd Mayweather Jr.’s last seven fights.

In 2005 he fought Arturo Gatti for the WBC Junior Welterweight title. I have the utmost respect for Arturo Gatti for the true warrior and ambassador for Boxing that he was. That being said, not only was he a shot fighter who was blown up from his strongest weight classes (junior lightweight and lightweight), pound-for-pound material he clearly has never been, and I think most would agree with me on that. Also, I just have to mention that Floyd broke down in an uncomfortable “emotional” scene and pretended to cry as if he’d won the Super bowl after this easy victory. “I’m going to Disneyland!”

In his next fight, it was Sharmba Mitchell. Now Mitchell was, at one time, a great fighter. At the time he fought Mayweather however, he was a blown up, old shell of his former self, and quite clearly not a pound-for-pounder. Mayweather demonstrated this by easily knocking him out with a straight right to the body.

Then comes the Zab Judah fight. Judah, it may be argued, is the best name on Mayweather’s resume after 2005. Zab showed this by handling himself very well in the early rounds of the fight. But still, at that point in Zab’s career, he was clearly on the downslide, and was coming off of a loss to journeyman Carlos Baldomir. Having beat only top fighters (and having lost to B-class fighters) at 140 and 147, if he was on your pound-for-pound list at the time, you were obviously trippin’.

Speaking of Baldomir, Mayweather easily outpointed him in November of 2006. Baldomir, who’s only notable victories since 1999 were, *uhem* Arturo Gatti and Zab Judah, was listed on zero pound-for-pound lists that this writer was aware of.

Then comes Oscar De La Hoya in May of ‘07. Mayweather had his most recent trouble in this fight. Held at the junior middleweight limit of 154, the deck was clearly stacked against Floyd in the contract for the bout. Oscar was given his choice of glove brand and size, ring size, and money split, among other things (which apparently Floyd learned a great deal from, more on that later). Despite this, Floyd eked out the close split decision in a fight that could easily have been scored a draw. With all that said, Oscar was clearly past his prime and hadn’t been anywhere near a pound-for-pound list since his gift decision win against Felix Sturm, followed by his embarrassing body-shot KO loss to Bernard Hopkins.

Of course, then he fought Ricky Hatton. On paper, this fight looked like it should have been more competitive. But if you looked a little deeper, Hatton struggled severely in his only previous 147 pound fight with Luis Collazo. Besides the weight class issue, Hatton’s face first style was tailor-made for Mayweather’s slick counterpunching style. Furthermore, I think many would agree that Ricky, although lovable and highly marketable, was a bit over-rated. Due to his inability to win convincingly at any weight class other than 140, his exclusion from pound-for-pound lists is a no-brainer.

Ah yes, the fight with Marquez. Juan Manuel was picked as an opponent for Floyd’s “comeback fight” for two reasons. 1)Not only was Marquez clearly way out of his wheelhouse (130-135 pounds), 2)but he also was in the unique position of having a claim that he won at least one of his fights with Manny Pacquiao, who at the time (and is currently) considered by most as the number 1 pound-for-pound fighter in the world. By this time, though, Floyd had mastered the art of winning a fight during the contract negotiations. Something he learned from Oscar De La Hoya. Marquez, in order to get the fight, had to come up two weight classes. In an attempt to counter Mayweather’s forcing him to come up, he requested that Floyd come down a whole three pounds to 144. Floyd agreed, promising to pay Marquez $300,000.00 for each pound over 144 if he came in above that weight. We all know now that Mayweather basically ignored the contract weight, coming in at a comfortable 146 pounds, effectively buying himself an even more intense weight advantage. Yes, Marquez was thoroughly dominated in a jaw-dropping performance by Mayweather, and yes, Floyd probably would have won the fight anyway. But the fact that he had to result to dirty tricks outside the ring means we will never know.

Back to the present. Regarding the Pacquiao/Mayweather negotiations, a couple of very important things need to be pointed out. From the beginning of “Blood testgate” Mayweather and his camp insisted that their motivation for such a demand (Olympic-style blood testing administered by the USADA) was to “level the playing field.” In this writer’s opinion, it is mind-numbingly obvious that their intention was, in fact, the exact opposite. In my opinion, Camp Mayweather never really wanted to make the fight. This is just the latest in a series of blunders on Mayweather’s part. While “Money May” has been loudly proclaiming his superiority, he has refused to fight any of the top fighters in his own division. He previously blew a perfectly good opportunity to prove his greatness when he turned down what would have been a career best payday of $8 million to fight a prime Antonio Margarito. Considering Margarito may have literally had “manos de piedra,” a decisive victory would have done more than enough to solidify Mayweather’s number 1 status. Shane Mosley has been calling Floyd out for years, another fight that would have at least justified Mayweather’s presence on a pound-for-pound list. Miguel Cotto, at any point in the last four years, would have been a tremendously anticipated event, and had the Pretty Boy made the fight and won, without iffy contract shenanigans, I would be singing his praises right now. But the fact is, all those guys have grown frustrated with Floyd and have been fighting each other for our entertainment.

With the most recent failure to make the fight with Manny Pacquiao, claiming that Manny should prove he’s clean by agreeing to more stringent tests than have ever been agreed to in a boxing contract. I find myself extremely angry with Floyd Mayweather, and the entire business side of boxing. Floyd hasn’t proved that he has a right to be making these types of demands. As a fight fan, I’m finding it increasingly difficult to understand how this was allowed to happen. We just got robbed of one of the most important fights in history, and we all should be mad about it. Floyd’s fans included.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been quoted saying “Legacy don’t pay the bills.” To that, Floyd, I say you are absolutely right. Real fights with real opponents are what pay the bills. Win or lose, if you fight the best, your bills will be paid. Legacy is just the icing on the cake. But the Pretty Boy’s cake has officially gone flat in the eyes of this fan of the fights.