Bob Arum Tells Floyd Mayweather, Schaefer: "Go To Hell!"

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Rafael: “They [Mayweather-Pacquiao] should just flip a coin and stop holding the spor

By Scott Gilfoid: ESPN sports writer Dan Rafael sounding more than a little fed up about the stalemate between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and World Boxing Organization welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao, said in his column at ESPN, “Enough with the drug testing nonsense. Mayweather shouldn’t be making accusations without a shred of proof, as he tries to discredit all of Pacquiao’s great accomplishments, nor should he try to circumvent the Nevada rules by asking for blood tests when the commission has never asked for them…They should flip a coin and stop holding the sports world hostage.” I totally agree with Rafael about them needing to get past all of this somehow.

Actually, it’s not a bad idea for them to flip a coin on this. It would be kind of like the sociopathic assassin Anton Chigurh in the movie No country for old men, in which Chigurh flips a coin to decide whether or not to kill some of his victims. In this case, Mayweather and Pacquiao can flip a coin and decide whether or not to have the random blood tests take place.

I think that’s about the fairest way to settle this mess, because I doubt that either Mayweather or Pacquiao or going to give in anytime soon so that boxing fans can have a fight. Currently, Todd duBoef from Top Rank and Bruce Binkow are working to try and get the fight done. However, it will still require for both Mayweather and Pacquiao to give a little and be willing to settle for not entirely getting their way.

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Former boxing great Barry McGuigan also thinks that both Mayweather and Pacquiao are partly to blame for their fight not moving forward, saying in an article at The Mirror, “Pacquiao is right to rail against the manipulation and interference of team Mayweather. What right have they [Mayweather and Golden Boy Promotions] to request a test schedule to be imposed on Pacquiao…On the other, it leaves a question dangling in the air. If Pacquiao has nothing fear, why not submit to the tests?”

McGuigan goes on to say that he thinks that Pacquiao’s success is completely due to his own natural ability, and thinks that people suspect him because of his huge success that he’s made in the past year in moving up in weight. However, McGuigan fails to identify which fighter should be the one to give in to make their fight happen. If McGuigan is like me, then I think Mayweather and Pacquiao need to compromise somehow and meet halfway. Either that, or like Rafael said, maybe they should just flip a coin to decide
 
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Mayweather-Pacquiao: Why can’t they work this out?

By Chris Williams: With each of these huge stars capable of making $40 million each for their March 13th fight in Las Vegas, it seems mind boggling to the average boxing fan how Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao can’t work out their differences with the random blood testing and make their fight happen. Maybe it doesn’t matter once you’re rich to the point where money like that doesn’t get you in gear like it would for an average person.

However, it seems confusing that the two of them can’t work this out so that they can get this fight to take place. Mayweather wants random blood testing. However, he never asked for this until now, and is sticking to this request even though it’s something that Pacquiao doesn’t want to do.

Why doesn’t Mayweather just stick with the three blood tests that Pacquiao is willing to give, as well as the unlimited urine testing. It seems pretty cut and dried when you think about. On the other hand, it’s hard for some boxing fans to see Pacquiao and wonder how he could walk away from $40 million over the matter of having small amounts of blood taken from him.

I know for me, I would gladly let them take blood from me if I knew I was going to get $40 million. Most people would die for that kind of money. I respect Pacquiao for standing by his principles and not giving in to Mayweather about this issue, but it’s hard for me to understand any of this from where I come from. That’s just too much money for me to walk away from based on blood testing.

I just don’t see how this can’t be corrected one way or another. Perhaps the two of them should meet down the middle, and have blood testing stop at a couple weeks before the fight. Or if they can have an outside arbitrator come in, and maybe they can be the one that makes the final decision. It just seems like neither of these two fighters are going to five in about this unless someone from outside the group makes the call on this. If they left up to me, I’d take away the blood tests entirely and just go with the urine tests. That’s what is normally done, and it should be enough for this fight.
 
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Will there be a catch weight for Foreman-Pacquiao?

By Dave Lahr: I’m still hoping that the mega bout between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao can still be made, but I’m not holding my breath on that happening. It’s looking like Pacquiao will be fighting World Boxing Association light middleweight champion Yuri Foreman instead, a move made so that Pacquiao can go for an 8th world title.

I have no doubt that negotiating for this fight will be a breeze. Foreman likely won’t make waves for fear of ruining his chances for a fight against the number #1 fighter in boxing. However, given that Foreman is a solid light middleweight and Pacquiao is probably more of a pumped up lightweight, will there be a catch weight involved in the fight? And if so, what weight will Foreman, the champion, have to come in at?

My guess is that there will be a catch weight involved in the fight, even though Foreman is the champion. Since the upper limit of the division is 154, the fight can possibly take place as low as 148 or so, meaning that Foreman would have to melt down from a high of 154 down to make the catch weight.

Ideally, it would be better if this was a fight that was free of any kind of catch weights, because Pacquiao fought his last fight against WBO welterweight champion Miguel Cotto at a catch weight, and for Pacquiao to be going after two consecutive champions at catch weights, it makes it look somehow funny to me. Pacquiao fought Oscar De La Hoya at 147, which wasn’t a catch weight fight, but it had a draining effect on De La Hoya because he had to come down from 154, his fighting class, to make the 147 pound limit.

Of course, Pacquiao is a smaller fighter, and should be able to have a handicap to make up for his lack of size. But having a title on the line at less than the full weight limit of the class is kind of strange when you think about it.
 
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News: Roach wants Pacquiao to fight Marquez

By Dave Lahr: Manny Pacquiao’s trainer Freddie Roach is interested in having Manny fight boxing great Juan Manuel Marquez (50-5-1, 37 KO’s) next, according to writer Nick Giongco from the Manila Bulletin. This would be a great replacement for Floyd Mayweather Jr. if Pacquiao’s promoter Bob Arum isn’t able to negotiate terms with Mayweather and Golden Boy Promotions. The way things are looking, with neither side willing to give in about the random blood tests, it’s looking like the March 13th Mayweather-Pacquiao fight won’t be happening.

World Boxing Association light middleweight champion Yuri Foreman has been mentioned by Arum as one of the potential opponents he’s looking at matching Pacquiao with in March. However, that fight appears to be drawing very little positive praise from boxing fans on then net, many of which see Foreman as the weakest of the light middleweight champions. Roach, a good judge of the kind of boxing matches that fans want to see, said “Let’s [Pacquiao] fight Juan Manuel Marquez…They’re [boxing fans] watch it.”

Roach is right about the Marquez fight being a draw with boxing fans. Despite Marquez being beaten in his last fight by Floyd Mayweather Jr. in a one-sided 12 round decision loss in September, Marquez remains very popular with fans, much more popular than the little known Foreman. However, Marquez’s name has been linked with British fighter Ricky Hatton, so if Roach is serious about Pacquiao fighting Marquez, then he will have to quickly go after Marquez and try to lure him away from taking that fight.

There’s little question that Marquez would stand to make much more money in a fight with Pacquiao compared to a fight with Hatton. Ricky was stopped in the 2nd round by Pacquiao in May 2009, and has been trying to figure out if he wants to do with his career since then.

Pacquiao has twice previously fought Marquez in the past, fighting to a 12 round draw in 2004, and then beating Marquez by a controversial 12 round split decision in March 2008. There are many boxing fans who felt that Marquez beat Pacquiao in both of those fights. Whichever way you see those fights, it’s clear that Pacquiao had huge problems against Marquez, who seemed to have Pacquiao’s number in both of the fights.

Marquez has since been trying to get Pacquiao to give him a rematch, but hasn’t had any luck in getting him back in the ring. This would be great for boxing if Roach was able to put Marquez and Pacquiao back in the ring for a third fight to see who the better fighter is.
 
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Mayweather vs Pacquiao: It’s Not Over Until It’s Over

By Frank Car: So who wants to hear how it’s going to go down? Mayweather vs Pacquiao off? I don’t think so. It only takes a few simple steps and it’s game on. Just in time, coincidentally, for the early January Press conference meeting. What better information can you kick off a press conference with then official news that the Mega-Fight is on.

Step 1 – Mayweather changes his stance on how drug testing must be done, changes it basically to what appeases Pacquiao..

Step 2 – A now delighted Pacquiao drops suit against Mayweather.

Step 3 – Show up in New York (which is where the first press conference is to be held) and present the good news that the Mega-Fight will take place on March 13th after all.

Fact or fiction? I’ll lean towards fact. Both want it, some may need it, now they just need to agree to it.

There may be a be a doubt shadow cast on Pacquiao in the minds of some boxing fans, but some of that doubt was brought on by himself in my opinion. Although the Mayweathers and others have allegedly accused him of doping, that, to me, was almost a bag on the winner type thing, which happens all the time in almost anything. But once again might I add, without proof, it is ridiculous and classless. But Pacquiao’s resistance to taking the random Olympic-style drug test if anything, made my wheels wonder. It’s worth to note I still don’t believe the Pac-Man took anything illegal. If you live in the gym, eat right, and are naturally athletic, over the course of years, it’s not that hard to put on some muscle. However any doubt that I would have which is minuscule, was brought on by Pacquiao’s own actions.

Anyways, I have always said that this will bout happen and in the next few days we’ll know for sure. People have placed bets, booked hotel rooms and have rearranged their schedule for this thing already. It would be ashame to deny everyone the opportunity to see this. Everyone … everyone, that pretty much sums up who wants this thing to happen. Just about everyone wants it to happen, from the promoters, to HBO, to the fans, to the boxers themselves, which is perhaps the backbone of why this will happen. It’s a win-win for everyone. You don’t throw those out, over an inability to come to agreeable terms in the final seconds. They’ll get it done, and I’m not even going to put and ultimatum of how stupid it would be if they didn’t.

Watch for the press conference next week and for, which I like to dub the “Mega-Fight In the Vegas Light” to rise above the turmoil of negotiations and into a reality of first-rate athletic entertainment which inevitably will take place on March 13th, 2010.

By the way, Happy New Year.
 
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Pacquiao a Victim of His Own Success, Says McGuigan

By Mark Vester

Irish boxing great Barry McGuigan says Manny Pacquiao is a victim of his own success. He hopes Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. are able to put aside their differences over the random Olympic-style blood tests and fight each other in 2010. He looks at the blood tests from both sides of the fence.

"On the one hand Pacquiao is right to rail against the manipulation and interference of team Mayweather. What right have they to request a test schedule be imposed on Pacquiao? The cheek of it. On the other it leaves a question dangling in the air. If Pacquiao has nothing to fear why not submit to the tests? If mischief is what the Mayweathers had in mind when they raised the issue, they have got what they wanted," McGuigan said.

McGuigan doesn't see anything illegal about Pacquiao. He calls him a "victim" of being just too good and a victim because of the things he accomplished in the sport of boxing in numerous weight divisions.

"I don't think for one minute that Pacquiao is enhanced by anything other than nature's attributes. He is in a sense a victim of his own success. Suspicion is aroused simply because no one has done what he has done in boxing. None has carried power up from flyweight to welter in that manner. It is not just about beating opponents, it is the way that you beat them. Pacquiao went through Oscar de la Hoya like a sparring partner. The way he knocked out Ricky Hatton was staggering. He just pole-axed him. Then he systematically took apart Miguel Cotto in a way none could have predicted," McGuigan said.
 
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MOSLEY IS THE ONLY WAY FLOYD MAY-WEATHER THE PACQUIAO STORM

By G. Leon

As brilliant as he is in the boxing ring, and he is brilliant, Floyd Mayweather's decision to retire from boxing before the De La Hoya rematch and the subsequent decisions he made that cost him his life savings during the 18 months he spent off, make it resoundingly clear to everyone that Floyd Mayweather Jr, is not the brightest light bulb in the chandelier. Ever the flickering bulb, the Mayweather (not Golden Boy, so Arum owes me all of the money in the world) decision, to go public via their publicist prepared statement, takes the cake.

Other than himself, Mayweather has nobody to blame for the current position he finds himself in, but the person who authorized that statement to go public. That decision wound up costing him a career high payday against Manny Pacquiao, and placed him in the middle of a defamation lawsuit that might cost him future funds he can't afford to lose.

Since it's quite clear that the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Jr mega-fight is no longer happening on March 13, with Pacquiao running for congress, September or even later in the fall would seem the like the logical destination for any rescheduling.

It's also quite clear that Floyd Mayweather's BIG money options, are few and far between.

The only other name that comes to mind is future hall of famer Sugar Shane Mosley, who first has to defeat undefeated WBC champion Andre Berto on January 30.

Mosley is favored to take care of business against Berto. If he does, Mayweather will have found his only way to save face following his ruining of the Pacquiao fight, a move that has many boxing fans demanding that Floyd undergo random blood testing for estrogen poisoning.

You see, Mosley wants to fight Mayweather more than Mayweather wanted to ruin the Pacquiao event. And Moley has made it perfectly clear to Boxingtalk.com that he's ready, willing and able to take any test Mayweather might request.

Of course, Pacquiao never being affiliated with Victor Conte or Balco, could have something to do with he and Shane winding up on opposite sides of the spectrum as it relates to undergoing additional testing not required by the NSAC, just because Floyd says so.

In either event, on January 30, Mayweather should be seated ringside with his Sugar Shane pom-pom's on and hope Sugarman isn't suffering from another sweet-tooth because Mosley is THE ONLY other mega-fight out there for Floyd .

Although Floyd will do much better than the 50-50 split he and Pacquiao agreed to, many believe Mosley is a tougher fight for Mayweather than Pacquiao.

Mayweather's current position in the public eye has hit an all-time low, and that's saying something for someone capable of coming off so obnoxious he makes the angry version of my friend (and I don't mean that sarcastically) Jeff Wald appear courteous.


Mosley undergoing the additional tests that Pacquiao has refused would give Mayweather stronger position in the court of public appeal moving forward againt Pacquiao somewhere down the line.

In the meantime if Mayweather desires to issue another publicist prepared statement, perhaps he can fill us in on his open cases with JP Morgan Chase and the Ashley Realty Group in the court of Clark County. Those cases are viewable here.

Simply enter Mayweather's name while searchig the district civil records by party to retrieve the case info.
 
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FLOYD YOU CAN RUN BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE

By Paul Pereya

Floyd Mayweather and his cohorts have just shot themselves on the foot. Their drug testing issue against seven division Champion Manny Pacquiao has definitely backfired. If this is going to be PBF’s “escape goat” then so be it. What can you expect from someone who has dodged quality opposition in the past and recently even went overweight against Marquez on the scales (and paid the fine) despite his size advantage?

Hereunder are just few of the major reasons why it’s a losing battle for PBF:

1. Manny is clean and has “raw power”. I’ve seen and observed Manny fight ever since he was a flyweight. Back in those days he was still fighting under Blow by Blow where his manager and the late Rod Nazario (my former partner in In This Corner-the longest running boxing show in the country) painstakingly built his career. Back then Manny relied much on his raw power as speed was common in the lower weight divisions. His vaunted left straight was already devastating and decked majority of his opponents. It is said that in one sparring session in Cebu he even dropped a former Japanese OPBF welterweight (147lbs) champion, even if he was only 116 pounds then. Manny has since then carried that power as he moved up in weight and can knock you out with either hand. Thanks to Freddie Roach he is now a complete and more dangerous fighter.

2. No other fighter works like Manny. I remember former super flyweight and former bantamweight champion (who happens to be my neighbor) Gerry “Fearless” Penalosa say “Hindi ko kaya ang ginagawa ni Manny” – “I can’t do what Manny does” referring to his brand of training. Both Manny & Gerry train under hall of famer Freddie Roach. The Pacman in training is like a mean unstoppable machine. In his last fight I remember Bob Arum say “ In contrast to Manny’s training Cotto was like taking a vacation…It’s like nothing I’ve ever seen”. Manny trains for 17-20 straight rounds on the mitts with Freddie with no timeout and puts in about 4 hours of training each day. Believe me, no other fighter in the planet trains like Manny Pacquiao.

3. Manny is a Spiritual fighter. Whether you are an atheist or not, one thing’s for sure: Spiritual fighters have made their mark in boxing history. The sport’s entourage of spiritual fighters includes the “Real Deal” Evander Holyfield; George Foreman and the list go on and on. Manny’s discipline goes beyond the physical. He believes in God and fears him. That is why these accusations of doping are really hard to believe. Observe every fight, Manny gives honor to God before the start, during the fight and right at the end of every fight. It is not easy to fight a spiritual fighter as two forces are at work against you. One in the physical and one in the spiritual realm. Some pundits even think that Pacquiao's power is a spiritual one since he fights for both God & Country.

4. His making a mockery of the NSAC. The Nevada State Athletic Commission has a system of checking doping in place. Keith Keizer it’s executive director has stated categorically that: "All I can tell you is that Pacquiao, every time he's fought here (in Nevada,) has been tested, as well as his opponents. He passed every drug test we did to him, every steroid test we did to him." Come on, Floyd is American and he should trust the very institutions that has placed him where he is. Just because somebody has gone beyond every possible expectation doesn’t mean that he has thwarted the system. Floyd, the burden of proof is with you. Do you have any evidence? If you don’t have any then shut up! Don't let people use you to justify why they got defeated.

I have come out of the open to say that Manny is clean based on my experience with him and what I know. Chances are he has never touched and will ever use any performance-enhancing drug. What for? He has already etched himself in the annals of boxing history as one of the greatest fighters ever.

As for Floyd, I must honestly say he is still Manny Pacquiao’s biggest threat. Mainly because he is not as hittable as Manny’s previous opponents. PBF has both the defensive skills and the offensive armament to give Manny a lot of trouble. It is just so sad that he has taken this kind of ill-advised publicity stunt. Floyd, don’t run away from a good fight, although you’ve always been known to be a runner. Take the fight inside the ring where your fists will do the talking.

PBF you can run as much you want but you can never hide.
 
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Manny Pacquiao Plans To Chop Foreman Down To Size

By Mark Vester

If WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao decides to move up in weight to face WBA junior middleweight Yuri Foreman in March, he will give up several inches in height and reach. Foreman is a lot bigger than the Filipino boxer who at the start of 2008 was fighting at 130-pounds.

Pacquiao's business manager Eric Pineda has provided Manny with tapes of Foreman. Pacquiao was a bit taken back on facing Foreman due to the heavy size difference. After watching some tapes, Pacquiao told Pineda that he could beat Foreman. He plans to attack the big man's body to chop him down.

“Once I hit him in the body we’d be of the same height,” Pacquiao said to Pineda, who told The Philippine Star .

Pineda said Pacquiao saw flaws in Foreman's style and is no longer worried about the size advantage. There was no mention of a catch-weight being requested by Pacquiao.

“Manny thought Yuri was too tall for him and too big. He will weigh in at 154 pounds and can climb the ring at 170. But we showed him tapes of Foreman, and then he said he can take him on,” said Pineda.

Paulie Malignaggi and Juan Manuel Marquez are two other possible names to replace Floyd Mayweather Jr. Pineda says Foreman would a lot more meaning.

“But it will have more meaning if it’s against Foreman. There’s the eighth world title,” said Pineda
 
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Mayweather vs. Pacquiao fight back in play – Breaking News

By Scott Gilfoid: According to Michael Marley of Examiner.com, the Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao bout is breathing new life. Marley reports that Pacquiao’s promoter Bob Arum said that he’s willing to meet with Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer next week, as well as the attorneys for Pacquiao and Golden Boy, and see if he can work something out. As things stand now, Pacquiao is going to be starting training next week with trainer Freddie Roach at the Wild Card Gym, in Los Angeles.

Marley states that Arum doesn’t seem as excited about a potential bout between World Boxing Association light middleweight champion Yuri Foreman and Pacquiao compared to before. That’s not surprising, because few boxing fans seem all that interested in paying to see Pacquiao fight the little known Foreman.

Marley says that Arum is open to meeting with judge Weinstein, the same judge who assisted in mediation with Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions in the past. “Something could be bubbling,” Arum says, hinting that there would be some movement between the hard-line stances between the parties of the two fighters Pacquiao and Mayweather.

As of now, the sticking point is over the random blood tests for drugs that Mayweather wants for the fight to take place. Arum says, “Our first priority, before any fight with anybody, is to clear Manny’s name. Would that be through an apology? I don’t want to get into that.”

This is very interesting. Would Mayweather be willing to make a public apology to Pacquiao about the drug using allegations? I don’t know if I can see Mayweather doing that, but then again he stands to make a lot of money if he did apologize. If it meant getting the fight back on track, and having Pacquiao’s lawsuit for defamation dropped, Mayweather would stand to gain a heck of a lot by doing a bit of groveling.

Arum continues, “I will say that, if they [Golden Boy Promotions CEO Schaefer, Mayweather, and the attorneys from both sides] to meet in front of judge Weinstein on Monday, Tuesday or any day, then we are willing to listen. If some mediation occurs, and I don’t know if it will, then we would have to listen to that.” This sounds very promising. Arum also said that ‘Rumblings” about mediation were given to him by Daniel Petrocelli, the lawyer for Pacquiao.
 
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u can name someone better? someone whos done what hes done?
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what exactly has he done that makes him the best fighter ever?

hes gotta LONG way to go b4 u can say that... winning a bunch of belts in diff weight classes is koo.. but cmon...

Hearnes won 7 world titles in 6 weight classes..

sugar Ray robinson... muhammed ali.... Julio Cesar Chavez.. archie moore... rocky marciano... george foreman... mike tyson... rocky balboa...

ur gonna tell me pacqiao is better than all those guys?

(yes i threw in rocky balboa so what? haha)
 
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SLRider510 said:
what exactly has he done that makes him the best fighter ever?

hes gotta LONG way to go b4 u can say that... winning a bunch of belts in diff weight classes is koo.. but cmon...

Hearnes won 7 world titles in 6 weight classes..

sugar Ray robinson... muhammed ali.... Julio Cesar Chavez.. archie moore... rocky marciano... george foreman... mike tyson... rocky balboa...

ur gonna tell me pacqiao is better than all those guys?

(yes i threw in rocky balboa so what? haha)
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If pacquiao were to beat Mayweather, shane mosley and marquez (again), all convincingly, then retired, I would have a hard time not having Pacquiao ranked in the top 10 of all time.

I think it's impossible for a modern day fighter to ever become #1, simply for the reason guys these days don't fight 200+ times, but if Pac beat those guys listed above, I would rank him in the top 10 fasho, and that is pretty damn amazing considering where he came from, etc.

In order for him to become #1, he would have to do something even more completely absurd, like go to Middleweight and KO pavlik or some wacky shit like that lol. But then again, 20 years from now, when all is said and done, people could view him as the best ever, you never know.
 
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^^list your top ten.

For the record pacquiao has never failed a drug test and he's taken them his entire career. There has never been one shred of evidence of pac using any type of drugs. The whole thing started when Floyds Crackhead farther Floyd Sr. one day said, "man, that boy must be on something" after he KO'd ricky hatton. That's literally what started this whole thing.
 
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if pac-man beat mayweather,mosley he would have to be top 10. I say that because they have mayweather in the top 10 of all time so if you beat one of the top 10 with a streak like pac-man has going with the people behind him I believe they would consider him top 10
 
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