Better Running back?

[gimpypimp]

Which is a good thing for him because players back then weren't nearly as quick, strong and versatile as they are now (or when Barry Sanders was playing for that matter). Defensive schemes are 100x deeper than they were 40 years ago. Jim Brown would not be running over LBs in this day and age like he was doing back in the day. It's a completely different game and you don't seem to be taking any of that in as you form your opinion.

I am taking everything into consideration.

Talk about shemes all you want…but the game still boils down to running and tackling. With all the great schemes that are “100x deeper” than they were 40 years ago…how many missed tackles do you see out there on Sundays? What good is a scheme when you don’t wrap up…get ran over…or get faked out?

Brown was 6-2 and around 230 pounds. Most backs today aren’t even that big...so what makes you think he wouldn’t be running people over. He played basketball and la crosse too…so not only was he big and strong…he was also fast and agile.

Look up his 40 yard dash time…clocked at 4.4/4.5. The man was a beast…and I don’t think he would have a problem doing the same things today that he did back then.

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

Pfffffft. Defenses are soft these days. Typically, every year you only see two maybe three teams that play solid defense.

You go back, even just 15-20 years, defenses were much more physical, much more punishing. Yes, defensive schemes are more complex now, but thats because offensive schemes are more complex as well, not too mention new rules have been implemented that have greatly benefited the offense which allow them to score more points and stay on the field longer (ratings)....the game has evolved a bit, but you look at like the 85 bears defense for example and you tell me a modern defense can even compare to that. Nope, not even close to the same level.

Todays defenses have nothing on the defenses of old, besides a few exceptions. Teams were built entirely on defense back then, something you rarely see these days (bears, ravens and tampa bay are the only real exceptions but even then their defenses don't compare)

I agree with this, but we're talking about defenses of 20 years ago. Defenses 40 years ago were nothing like the defenses of 20 years ago.

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

I am taking everything into consideration.

Talk about shemes all you want…but the game still boils down to running and tackling. With all the great schemes that are “100x deeper” than they were 40 years ago…how many missed tackles do you see out there on Sundays? What good is a scheme when you don’t wrap up…get ran over…or get faked out?

Brown was 6-2 and around 230 pounds. Most backs today aren’t even that big...so what makes you think he wouldn’t be running people over. He played basketball and la crosse too…so not only was he big and strong…he was also fast and agile.

Look up his 40 yard dash time…clocked at 4.4/4.5. The man was a beast…and I don’t think he would have a problem doing the same things today that he did back then.

Thank you for coming with a real argument instead of just acting like everything I said is ludicrous with nothing to back your statement.

Anyway I guess when it all comes down to it, it's nothing more than opinions. Neither of us really know if Jim Brown would be able to do what he did against modern day defenses. Personally I don't think he would be able to. Barry did what he did against modern D's, and I truly do not believe Brown would have been able to do the same, that's why I pick Barry Sanders.

 

[gimpypimp]

Thank you for coming with a real argument instead of just acting like everything I said is ludicrous with nothing to back your statement.

Anyway I guess when it all comes down to it, it's nothing more than opinions. Neither of us really know if Jim Brown would be able to do what he did against modern day defenses. Personally I don't think he would be able to. Barry did what he did against modern D's, and I truly do not believe Brown would have been able to do the same, that's why I pick Barry Sanders.

And on the other side…I don’t think Barry would have survived playing back then.

But my main reason for not putting Barry ahead of Brown and Payton is all the negative yards he got. He just couldn’t…or wouldn’t get those tough yards.

Instead of pounding it in the hole and getting a yard or two…he would bounce it outside and a lot of times get nothing, or lose yards.

 

[Tony]

^And then before you know it he'd rip off a long run while in the process of faking defenders out. Barry would hit the hole (if it was there) but if not he'd try to make something out of nothing. You have to keep in mind that Barry ran mostly out of a single back set (which means no lead fullback) And why do you keep bringing up "negative yards"? It only took him 10 seasons to damn near break Walter Payton's rushing yard record. He was on his way to wiping out rushing records in only 10 seasons.

 

[gimpypimp]

^And then before you know it he'd rip off a long run while in the process of faking defenders out. Barry would hit the hole (if it was there) but if not he'd try to make something out of nothing. You have to keep in mind that Barry ran mostly out of a single back set (which means no lead fullback) And why do you keep bringing up "negative yards"? It only took him 10 seasons to damn near break Walter Payton's rushing yard record. He was on his way to wiping out rushing records in only 10 seasons.

He would always have a bunch of no yards…or loss of yards…and then break the big one. The problem was he would constantly put the team in long yardage situations by doing that.

There is a clip somewhere that shows all of his side to side and backwards runs…you should google it. It talks and shows how there were holes there where he could have picked up a few yards…but passed on them to try and get the big one. I would say it’s similar to what Reggie Bush does now…except for Barry could and would eventually break one.

Single back or not…I bring up the negative yards cause that was part of his game. You can’t take them away. Forget the total yardage he gained for a second and think about the game and the situation you put your team in.

You like the flashy no yards or loss of yards runs…I would rather have a back like Brown and Payton running over a guy for a couple of extra yards.

 

[ArGenTin3]

did you ever think...

the reason there were so many negative rushes for Barry was because the defense would break through the line of scrimmage with ease givin' how shitty the Lion's offensive line was back then?

 

[phil]

if you didnt say barry sanders or jim brown your mom should slap the dog shit out your bitch ass.

if you said emmit smith you probably suck dick for a living

 

[gimpypimp]

did you ever think...

the reason there were so many negative rushes for Barry was because the defense would break through the line of scrimmage with ease givin' how shitty the Lion's offensive line was back then?

Yes…but you can’t deny the fact that most of the time it was him dancing around in the backfield when he didn’t need to. This is a fact.

Anyone who watched him play throughout his career (and is not totally enamored with his jukes) would agree with what I’m saying.

 

[ArGenTin3]

i watched him play throughout his career and was not totally enamored with his jukes and i don't agree with what you are saying...lol

he had to "dance" in the backfield because the defense would be in his face already right after the snap, he only started to go full throttle through the line of scrimmage only when Detroit started to have a successful passing attack, when it was nonexsistent he couldnt do that.

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

And on the other side…I don’t think Barry would have survived playing back then.

I don't see why not. He made people miss. Defenders back then weren't any better than they were when Barry was playing. They were worse (not as good, I should say).

But an opinion is an opinion.

 

[Solitary 1]

I'm sorry, but you're pathetic nigga. Dude hasn't said a single word to you, hasn't even acknowledged you, and you still takin shots at him like he fucked your old lady or somethin. What's the issue here, really? Seems like all you do is waste space on this forum by following dude around and talking shit knowing that he's never gonna give you a response because it's obvious that's what you want. You on some female shit nigga, for real. Shit gets old. Your dumb ass is always acting like you know more than everyone else, but the only thing that ever comes out of any of your posts is shit talk. Never any facts, just opinions followed by a load of bullshit. I'll be browsing this forum, reading what people have to say and normally everyone is cool and there's some interesting shit in here, but then you come in and run your mouth with nothing to back anything you say, ever. Shit gets old nigga. You need to grow the fuck up.

THERE ARE SOME CONSPIRACY THEORISTS ON THIS FORUM THAT THINK YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY BE FATAL. NOW ME, I'M NOT ONE OF EM'. BUT THE WAY YOU'RE BACKING HIM UP HERE LIKE HE'S YOUR DOMESTIC LIFE PARTNER IS HIGHLY SUSPECT. FATAL IS A BIG BOY WITH A SHARP MIND AND HE CAN STICK UP FOR HIMSELF.

GET YOUR MOUTH OFF HIS ASS.

 

[WSP925]

yeah i picked barry but it was tough between him and walter payton

 

[T-Dubb]

players are NOT better now then they were back in Brown's days.........back then they had heart, an played to play. alot of them dudes worked normal jobs, then rode buses across the country to play a football game. then after the game they would go up into the stands an meet fans. now days people run outta bounds like its the thing to do, or just give up on chasin someone down because they dont wanna risk anything

an I dont remember who said it, but I read that if you put Barry back in time he would tear shit up in Browns era...........Barry's whole game was makin people miss....back then they were real lax on penalties, late hits were the norm. I dont think Barry woulda played as long as he did if he had to play against Dick Butkus, an Ray Nitchski twice a season

an some one else commented on how Barrys line was shitty.....news flash homie, most of the GREAT running backs had shit lines, thats what made them great. Payton played on some of the shittiest teams ever

 

[CZAR]

THERE ARE SOME CONSPIRACY THEORISTS ON THIS FORUM THAT THINK YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY BE FATAL. NOW ME, I'M NOT ONE OF EM'. BUT THE WAY YOU'RE BACKING HIM UP HERE LIKE HE'S YOUR DOMESTIC LIFE PARTNER IS HIGHLY SUSPECT. FATAL IS A BIG BOY WITH A SHARP MIND AND HE CAN STICK UP FOR HIMSELF.

GET YOUR MOUTH OFF HIS ASS.

Haha my nig solitary layed it down!! Take head scrub!! Got Em!!

And t-dubb your last reply was dope!! These cats aint seeing whats real!! Tryin to find every excuse to why they say Barry is the best!! He aint!! Got Em!!

 

[ArGenTin3]

i guess 36 people don't know shit about football then huh?

 

[Unknownn]

fred taylor never been to a pro bowl and has rushed for 10,000 yards.
how can u not vote for him to go this year? i did. must respect to MR. TAYLOR but he is not one of the NFL GREAT RB's Top 10.

 

[CZAR]

^^Who said Taylor was a top 10 alltime back?? Yall get shit twisted to much! he is one of the best active backs and have been since he came into the league! Pro bowl or not I form my own opinion playa! But no one is talkin about alltime mane!! Got Em!!

 

[Unknownn]

i know this, im just sayin WHY IS HIS NAME MENTIONED if its not in the poll? on of the best active, sure.

 

[CZAR]

If u read the whole thread u will see why his name was mentioned! So go back and research and u will see some idiot mentioned it tryin to be funny towards me but as usual it didnt work!! Got Em!!